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Re: Sudden lack of power

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exhaust was pinched from scraping on a speed bump.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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for 99.999999999% of people a standard battery is fine
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IMO, the “economy grocery getter” argument doesn’t work because Honda/Acura uses the same “dual mode” charging system on all of their vehicles, including their luxury and sports cars.
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Re: Sudden lack of power

Another thing I am now curious about is why a restricted exhaust was causing the engine to ping and run hot. When I held the throttle wide open for more than about 8 seconds, the engine started pinging, and it ran hotter than normal at times also.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

Do they use an AGM battery on the high end luxury vehicles?

A better argument is what Colin said: 99% of the people don’t need an upgraded batery.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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Do they use an AGM battery on the high end luxury vehicles?

A better argument is what Colin said: 99% of the people don’t need an upgraded batery.
Well maybe people don’t “need” a better battery, but the $18 that I spent on my battery at a junkyard was money well spent IMO. It was made in 2004, and it still tests at a higher CCA than it’s rated at. How many OEM batteries would still be problem free after 14 years of use?
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Re: Cheap sound system upgrade

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+1 I agree with Colin.

Yea wire is cheap but its a PITA to install. How much power are you planning on pushing that the wires are not sufficient?
What would make you believe that the factory speaker wire would be sufficient when the power wire wasn’t? Just curious.
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Re: Cheap sound system upgrade

because again for 99.99% of people it is
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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I noticed that when the alternator goes into “low charge” mode at around 12.4 volts, the battery is actually being drained rather than kept charged. I am presuming that this is because I have a high end AGM battery, which is fully charged at around 13.2 volts instead of around 12.6 like a standard 12v battery. So did the engineers at Honda presume that people would only use OEM batteries, or is this a flaw in the specific type of battery I have? Thanks.
The charging system will continue to operate as it was designed to regardless of battery type installed.

If you don't like what it does with your AGM battery, simply install the type of battery that's supposed to be in it.
Has it actually done anything wrong to that battery?
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Re: Cheap sound system upgrade

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because again for 99.99% of people it is
But I guess what I’m asking is why upgrading the speaker wire would be of no benefit when upgrading the power and ground wires helps so much.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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Has it actually done anything wrong to that battery?
Yes. When I drive in low charge mode for long enough, the battery drains to 12.4 volts. It’s not good for the battery to sit in a partially discharged state all the time.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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Yes. When I drive in low charge mode for long enough, the battery drains to 12.4 volts. It’s not good for the battery to sit in a partially discharged state all the time.
Sounds like you may not want to use AGM in this car.
Maybe you should install a correct type battery.
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Re: Sudden lack of power

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Another thing I am now curious about is why a restricted exhaust was causing the engine to ping and run hot. When I held the throttle wide open for more than about 8 seconds, the engine started pinging, and it ran hotter than normal at times also.
how would you feel if you wanted to fart but someone suddenly pinched close your exhaust?

same for an engine...
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Re: Cheap sound system upgrade

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But I guess what I’m asking is why upgrading the speaker wire would be of no benefit when upgrading the power and ground wires helps so much.
see below

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running all new speaker wires would be a huge pain in the ***.
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

sounds like when a guy put race brake pads on his street car.
the pads would never get into the operating temperatures and would goo the rotors, while never getting into the right temperature working range, thus not stop the car.

but, hey, because racecar, LOL!
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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sounds like when a guy put race brake pads on his street car.
the pads would never get into the operating temperatures and would goo the rotors, while never getting into the right temperature working range, thus not stop the car.

but, hey, because racecar, LOL!
I don’t have racing brake pads on my car, I have performance street pads. Where did you hear that I have racing pads?
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

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Where did you hear that I .....
Maybe you should read his post again.
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Re: Sudden lack of power

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Another thing I am now curious about is why a restricted exhaust was causing the engine to
Because it does.
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Re: Sudden lack of power

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Because it does.
So it’s expected that the engine will ping and run hot with a restricted exhaust?
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Re: Sudden lack of power

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So it’s expected that the engine will ping and run hot with a restricted exhaust?
Pick up a GOOD automotive service manual and read up on some symptom troubleshooting
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Re: “Low charge” mode drains AGM batteries?

have you never heard of parallel?
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I started with a:
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I don’t have racing brake pads on my car, I have performance street pads. Where did you hear that I have racing pads?
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Re: Sudden lack of power

try to fart.
reeeealy hard.
plug your rear end.
see if you ping
Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER

So it’s expected that the engine will ping and run hot with a restricted exhaust?
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

I feel like my car could benefit a lot from another gear. For example, if I floor it going 40, it feels like the engine bogs down because it downshifts to second gear and runs at around 4000 RPM where it can’t make power. On the other hand, if I floor it going 60, it feels pretty quick because when it downshifts to second gear, the RPMs jump to around 5500 where it can make power. And if I floor it going 70, it downshifts to 3rd gear and only runs at 4500 RPM going 70. How much better would this problem be with a 5 speed manual? Thanks.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

Well, it would be better because with a manual you get to dictate what gear you are in.
However it really isn't worth the time and effort involved to properly do a 5 speed swap.
Either fix all your issues and just keep driving the car, or offload it on someone and buy a manual
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

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Well, it would be better because with a manual you get to dictate what gear you are in.
However it really isn't worth the time and effort involved to properly do a 5 speed swap.
Either fix all your issues and just keep driving the car, or offload it on someone and buy a manual
Thank you for your help. I have a question though. What exactly do you mean by “properly” doing the swap? Do you just mean things like changing out the ECU and cluster? If so, I don’t care about minor things like that as long as it doesn’t effect function.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

it downshifts to second gear and runs at around 4000 RPM where it can’t make power.
Sooooo you still have an engine performance problem?

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So all of a sudden my car has low power. The engine still runs well and doesn’t misfire and has no relevant codes, but the power is much less than normal, especially at higher RPMs. For example, when I floor it getting onto the highway, depending on speed, it downshifts to either first or second gear like it normally would, but the engine bogs down
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

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Sooooo you still have an engine performance problem?
No, that’s fixed. 4000 RPM is just way below peak power for this engine, so it struggles a bit.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

if your VTEC was working, it would have switched to 3 valves in lower RPM, which gives more torque.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

It won't be faster at all when at full throttle in a straight line because 1,2,3 and 4 will climb to high rpm numbers before shifting. the same will happen with manual. 1,2,3 and 4 will be your power gears. Stock 5th is pretty far up there for the low power of the vehicle so it isn't much of a factor.

However, you will notice a significant increase in speed while cornering. This is because the auto will down shift for you as you step on the brake. This means that if you were entering a corner in 4th gear and 6,000rpm, and braked to get through the corner, the ECU will shift down to 2nd or 1st with a much lower RPM.

With a manual transmission you can to keep the rpm as high as possible since this is where you make power. Depending on the corner You could enter in 4th and down shift into 3rd or 2nd (which ever won't redline but will have high rpm)

This allows you to always be at an rpm that will have access to VTEC and the most power as possible while exiting a corner.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

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if your VTEC was working, it would have switched to 3 valves in lower RPM, which gives more torque.
VTEC works as it should, 4000 RPM is just too low for this car to make anywhere near maximum power. Mine probably makes maximum power around 7K.
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Re: How much faster with a 5 speed?

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It won't be faster at all when at full throttle in a straight line because 1,2,3 and 4 will climb to high rpm numbers before shifting. the same will happen with manual. 1,2,3 and 4 will be your power gears. Stock 5th is pretty far up there for the low power of the vehicle so it isn't much of a factor.

However, you will notice a significant increase in speed while cornering. This is because the auto will down shift for you as you step on the brake. This means that if you were entering a corner in 4th gear and 6,000rpm, and braked to get through the corner, the ECU will shift down to 2nd or 1st with a much lower RPM.

With a manual transmission you can to keep the rpm as high as possible since this is where you make power. Depending on the corner You could enter in 4th and down shift into 3rd or 2nd (which ever won't redline but will have high rpm)

This allows you to always be at an rpm that will have access to VTEC and the most power as possible while exiting a corner.
So does that mean it would cruise at a lower RPM on the highway in 5th gear with a manual than 4th with an auto?


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