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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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How about a spring loaded momentary switch, so you can't inadvertently forget to turn it off

Label it "EJECTOR SEAT"
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Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

I have searched for this out of curiosity and I haven’t found anything. But why would Honda go through the expense of designing 9.9:1 compression pistons for the D17A and D17A2, but use 9.5:1 compression pistons in the D17A1 and D17A6? It’s not like there is any measurable difference in performance or gas mileage between the two, so why would they bother? If they could get away with 9.9:1 pistons on the D17A2 with no problems, why wouldn’t they do it on all the D17 engines? I just don’t get it.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

It’s not like there is any measurable difference in performance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_engine
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

I meant no real difference in performance between 9.5 and 9.9 compression.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

The change in compression is a good chunk of what makes the difference in power. Basic engine math
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Re: Bigger throttle body?

Boom 4 turbos!!!!
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

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The change in compression is a good chunk of what makes the difference in power. Basic engine math
So maybe I could get 1 or 2 extra HP from putting in VTEC pistons?
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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

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You’re mean lol. I am saving for a K swap, but it may be a couple of years lol.
I have a K24W1 sitting in my garage. Missing some parts, but i'll make you a heck of a deal on it. PM me if your interested.
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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

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I have a K24W1 sitting in my garage. Missing some parts, but i'll make you a heck of a deal on it. PM me if your interested.
Thanks so much man. I sent you a PM. I’m quite interested.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

Today I learned 10 horsepower is not a measureable difference.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

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Today I learned 10 horsepower is not a measureable difference.
Even if the relation between compression ratio and horsepower were linear, which it isn’t, you’d still only gain 4% power. The 10 HP difference is also caused by VTEC, different exhaust, different header, different cam, and probably other things that I’m not thinking of also. Compression isn’t the only difference.
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Re: Bigger throttle body?

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Boom 4 turbos!!!!
LOL! Stop right there, dude!!!!
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER

So maybe I could get 1 or 2 extra HP from putting in VTEC pistons?
you have a D17A2 engine, why are you even looking into that.

get a D17A2 ECU and fix what you screwed up first!
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Re: Bigger throttle body?

http://noriyaro.com/2015/01/quad-tur...gs-2jz-silvia/

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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

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you have a D17A2 engine, why are you even looking into that.
I'm just curious why Honda made 2 different totally interchangeable pistons with such slight differences.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

who knows, they use different algorithm for the ecu, fuel trims, its tied with emissions mpg ,.. diffrent valves , cam it all affects the end result... I am sure there was a reason...
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER
I'm just curious why Honda made 2 different totally interchangeable pistons with such slight differences.
if you have that much spare time, go fix what is wrong in your car, the correct way

did you ever tow the car you were planning on towing with your civic?
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

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I'm just curious why Honda made 2 different totally interchangeable pistons with such slight differences.
Because they have a bunch of wacky engineers that work for them that just like creating extra parts for no reason except to confuse us.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?


I meant no real difference in performance between 9.5 and 9.9 compression.
Bull. Butter.

You've been making threads about wanting to blow big balla dollas on insane tweeking for minuscule, nearly immeasurable gains in either RPM or HP.......and now here you are totally dismissing the absolute most basic fundamental time honored method of increasing power.....?


Have another blast, son.


Today I learned 10 horsepower is not a measureable difference.
Some spend a lot of money for even smaller gains.
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Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

I know that carbon in the combustion chamber of an engine increases its compression, possibly enough to cause knocking and pinging. But if an engine has enough carbon on the pistons to increase compression, but not enough to make it detonate, could the carbon theoretically improve the engine’s performance by raising compression? I understand that the carbon can effect the engine’s performance by restricting flow, preventing valves from sealing and things like that, but presuming that the carbon is only on the piston tops and cylinder head, could performance possibly be improved?
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Re: Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER
I know that carbon in the combustion chamber of an engine increases its compression, possibly enough to cause knocking and pinging. But if an engine has enough carbon on the pistons to increase compression, but not enough to make it detonate, could the carbon theoretically improve the engine’s performance by raising compression? I understand that the carbon can effect the engine’s performance by restricting flow, preventing valves from sealing and things like that, but presuming that the carbon is only on the piston tops and cylinder head, could performance possibly be improved?
Where's the cutoff point of risk vs benefit and how do you control the amount of carbon buildup?
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

Originally Posted by sdaidoji
if you have that much spare time, go fix what is wrong in your car, the correct way

did you ever tow the car you were planning on towing with your civic?
I am NOT going to change my pistons, I’m just curious. I don’t have the time or desire to tear my engine out and disassemble it again. And no, I didn’t tow the Civic home yet. I am going to tow the Civic home when the weather warms up.
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Re: Why VTEC and non VTEC pistons?

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Bull. Butter.

You've been making threads about wanting to blow big balla dollas on insane tweeking for minuscule, nearly immeasurable gains in either RPM or HP.......and now here you are totally dismissing the absolute most basic fundamental time honored method of increasing power.....?


Have another blast, son.


Some spend a lot of money for even smaller gains.
I am not saying that increasing compression won’t increase power, it obviously will. I am simply saying that a 4 percent increase in compression won’t produce any significant power improvements. The relationship between compression ratio and power is far from linear, so a 4 percent increase in compression would create much less than a 4 percent difference in power.
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Re: Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

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Where's the cutoff point of risk vs benefit and how do you control the amount of carbon buildup?
Not sure, and you don’t. I am just asking a hypothetical question.
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Re: Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

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Not sure, and you don’t. I am just asking a hypothetical question.
and I returned the favor..so what's your answer?
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Re: Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

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and I returned the favor..so what's your answer?
[QUOTE]I don’t know. Could carbon buildup hypothetically improve performance under the right conditions?
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Re: Could carbon on pistons INCREASE performance?

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I don’t know. Could carbon buildup hypothetically improve performance under the right conditions?
Go put in the time and work yourself on your car's engine to find the answer. When/if you get the answer then post it here.


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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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When my cam sensor went bad, it would shut down the engine but also instantly trigger the MIL.

Huh. Mine never set a code when the cam sensor was loose. I confirmed that the cam sensor was moving and causing the engine to die. I started the engine, set the handbrake, put it in D and wiggled the cam sensor with the engine idling. I could consistently kill the engine my moving it since it is loose, but it never set a code. Go figure. Maybe it never set a code because the sensor was electrically fine, but physically broken and moving around.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Apparently it isn't after I read up on it. I took a guess because 5th and 6th gens are. Anyway, if you ever have an ECU issue just purchase a used Honda OE or OEM one.
I tried to replace the ECU. I bought a used one, but the Honda dealer apparently couldn’t get the immobilizer to flash. What would cause the immobilizer to not flash?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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I tried to replace the ECU. I bought a used one, but the Honda dealer apparently couldn’t get the immobilizer to flash. What would cause the immobilizer to not flash?


If the dealership service techs couldn't answer that then I can't. Hopefully, someone else here can.

How did you narrow it down to the ECU as the issue?
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