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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

Originally Posted by D17VTECPOWER

You’re mean lol. I am saving for a K swap, but it may be a couple of years lol.
don't seen like you are trying to save, with all the stuff you are doing seen to be ruining your car so far.


did you get the right O2 sensor? what about worthless valve stuff that will give you a MP (Mice powah)?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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I didn’t think that the D17 had a programmable ECU?
Apparently it isn't after I read up on it. I took a guess because 5th and 6th gens are. Anyway, if you ever have an ECU issue just purchase a used Honda OE or OEM one.
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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

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You’re mean lol. I am saving for a K swap, but it may be a couple of years lol.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Why wrong sensor? Which exhaust manifold are you using?
Which injectors are you using?



How long has this been a problem?
What fault code did it set? (no code? no problem.)
If it has NOT coded that means the ECM is still controlling fuel delivery within its programmed fuel trim ranges. No problem?


Take a reading of MAP voltage with the engine at fully warmed up idle, all electric loads turned off. What's the voltage reading?

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Re: Running rich- Please help!

Originally Posted by ezone
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Why wrong sensor? Which exhaust manifold are you using?
Which injectors are you using?



How long has this been a problem?
What fault code did it set? (no code? no problem.)
If it has NOT coded that means the ECM is still controlling fuel delivery within its programmed fuel trim ranges. No problem?


Take a reading of MAP voltage with the engine at fully warmed up idle, all electric loads turned off. What's the voltage reading?
About a month ago, it set a P0172, so it is actually rich. Not sure how long this problem was going on, I just installed an o2 sensor about 1 month ago. I am using the "wrong" sensor because the wiring and ECU in my car is for a D17A1, and the length of the wires on the sensor I have is more appropriate. I am using a DC Sports 4-1 header, and a catless downpipe. The sensor is mounted right by the collector of the header on the downpipe. I am using the D16Y8 injectors, which are 240CC, which would cause a LEAN problem if anything. As for the MAP sensor voltage, I'm not sure. I'll check it though. It reads about 20 inches of vacuum at idle though, and I swapped the sensor with a known good spare with the same result.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

Originally Posted by ezone
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Why wrong sensor? Which exhaust manifold are you using?
Which injectors are you using?



How long has this been a problem?
What fault code did it set? (no code? no problem.)
If it has NOT coded that means the ECM is still controlling fuel delivery within its programmed fuel trim ranges. No problem?


Take a reading of MAP voltage with the engine at fully warmed up idle, all electric loads turned off. What's the voltage reading?
I frogot to mention that the valve lash is way out of adjustment. Could doing a valve adjustment help? I heard that the valves being out of adjustment can cause the engine to pull a weaker vacuum, which causes the MAP sensor to report a higher voltage, and therefore the ECU dumps in more fuel. Does that make sense?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

Originally Posted by ezone
tl;dr

Why wrong sensor? Which exhaust manifold are you using?
Which injectors are you using?



How long has this been a problem?
What fault code did it set? (no code? no problem.)
If it has NOT coded that means the ECM is still controlling fuel delivery within its programmed fuel trim ranges. No problem?


Take a reading of MAP voltage with the engine at fully warmed up idle, all electric loads turned off. What's the voltage reading?
Another symptom that it just developed today is the car cut out for a split second going up a hill in 3rd gear at 2500 RPM. A couple of minutes later, the car cut out and came back to life quickly again 2 times within a second, like it hit a rev limiter or something. I came to a stop, and the engine died very suddenly with no warning. It started again no problem, but it suddenly died again several times while I was idling earlier today. There aren’t any new codes, but I suspect that the cam sensor is moving around and losing signal because the peg that holds the cam sensor in place is broken, so it’s just held in by the bolt. I will report back when I install the new cam sensor, but the fuel trim problem has been going on since before the cam sensor broke, so that’s not the issue. The new cam sensor is supposed to be here Friday.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

When my cam sensor went bad, it would shut down the engine but also instantly trigger the MIL.

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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

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Look at this link- http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2015...rain-on-track/ There actually IS a benefit to a lighter valvetrain. According to this link, you can rev 35-40 RPM higher for every gram you reduce. So 35 more RPM per gram reduced X 18 grams would mean that the engine could rev 630 RPM higher. HP = Torque X RPM / 5252, so more RPM means more power with all else being equal. I’m not going to try to estimate how much power you could gain by doing this because I don’t have any information to go off of, but you would theoretically gain power. Now would you be able to feel the gain? Not likely. Would it be worth the time and money? Again, not likely. But there ARE gains to be had. How much is the question.
I followed the link and you are reading a companies advertising and taking it as fact. The company sells light weight valve components, what do think they will say? I don't disagree that lighter valve train parts can slightly improve performance but I would like to see where they got 35 rpm per gram.
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Re: Is my battery voltage too low?

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So no warranty.

Drop back 20 and punt?
If I stay on Denso about it, they MIGHT get sick of hearing about it and just replace it. Are Denso alternators usually decent quality?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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I frogot to mention that the valve lash is way out of adjustment. Could doing a valve adjustment help? I heard that the valves being out of adjustment can cause the engine to pull a weaker vacuum, which causes the MAP sensor to report a higher voltage, and therefore the ECU dumps in more fuel. Does that make sense?
That's one reason I asked about MAP voltage
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

Are you getting all of your parts out of the bin behind the repair shop or what?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Are you getting all of your parts out of the bin behind the repair shop or what?
Nope, I have a 2004 Civic too.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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I am using the "wrong" sensor because the wiring and ECU in my car is for a D17A1
?!?

Are you using anything at all to control VTEC?!?

If not, you spent money for a stage 1 camshaft for nothing!!!
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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?!?

Are you using anything at all to control VTEC?!?

If not, you spent money for a stage 1 camshaft for nothing!!!
Yes. I wired a light switch to turn VTEC on.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Yes. I wired a light switch to turn VTEC on.
a what?!?

stop looking into lighter valves, filing out stuff and put a decent wiring and ECU in there!
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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a what?!?

stop looking into lighter valves, filing out stuff and put a decent wiring and ECU in there!
What's wrong with using a lightswitch? When I turn it on, the car instantly gains power.
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Re: Lightweight valve adjuster screws

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Re: Running rich- Please help!

the ECU is obviously smarter than you.

our cars VTEC just opens the 4th valve in each cylinder when load is higher or RPM.
3 valves per cylinder works best for lower loads, lower RPM.

You are actually decreasing performance in lower RPM or lower loads by making your finger decide when to turn VTEC on or off.

Thus, ECU is obviously smarter than you that thinks you are gaining MP's (Mice powah) while actually losing torque (which is what is important in lower RPM).

stop mental masturbation and go do what actually need be doing.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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the ECU is obviously smarter than you.

our cars VTEC just opens the 4th valve in each cylinder when load is higher or RPM.
3 valves per cylinder works best for lower loads. You are actually decreasing performance by making your finger decide when to turn VTEC on or off.
I know. I tried to get a VTEC ECU, but the dealer couldn't make the immobilizer flash to my key, so I couldn't use the right ECU. The switch works good enough for me.
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Re: Bigger throttle body?

https://www.ebay.com/i/182346598291?chn=ps
then run custom pipe of each to each cylinder head port. u need to make sure all sensor are accounted for, its a project and design..

sometimes comes down to money and time want to spend on it.. thats why people do k20 swaps.
simpler more power.
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Re: Is my battery voltage too low?

I think the original was made by Mitsubishi
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

Look into a VAFC standalone VTEC controller (I'm sure there are others too)
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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The switch works good enough for me.
Remove the switch and install: The Clapper...
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Re: Is my battery voltage too low?

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I think the original was made by Mitsubishi
IIRC, the original had the Mitsubishi logo on it, so I think you're right. Would a Denso for $170 be a good choice? Or should I get an OEM alternator from a junkyard? I don't have money to get an OEM alternator, and I wouldn't waste my money on one if I had it.
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Look into a VAFC standalone VTEC controller (I'm sure there are others too)
Great suggestion, but I'd rather put that money towards a K swap. Besides automatic VTEC, what would be the benefit to getting a VAFC? I know that the light switch is slightly crude, but it is temporary until I do a K swap.
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Re: Is my battery voltage too low?

Low mileage used unit for $20? Worth a shot IMO

You have another car with a good alternator in your driveway??? Swap those and see what happens?
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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I know that the light switch is slightly crude, but it is temporary until I do a K swap.
How about a spring loaded momentary switch, so you can't inadvertently forget to turn it off

Label it "EJECTOR SEAT"
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Re: Running rich- Please help!

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Look into a VAFC standalone VTEC controller (I'm sure there are others too)
bingo
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Re: Bigger throttle body?

...DSM ITBs flow better for N/A vehicles but make little sense boosted because each of those would still be fed by a single 2.25"-3" intake from the turbo system.

...unless you ran four turbos that each went to one port on the ITB, lol.
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