UPDATE: Dual-groove pulley INSTALLED!!!
Skyline R33
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Originally posted by cdmx
another point of view is we've been really tough on DH, AND KMS
that would be sending away two bussiness that make aftermarket parts for our cars.
After seeing that ^^ how likely is another business going to try and fullfill our needs
another point of view is we've been really tough on DH, AND KMS
that would be sending away two bussiness that make aftermarket parts for our cars.
After seeing that ^^ how likely is another business going to try and fullfill our needs
I just wish companies would hold of selling untested parts and use their sponserships to test new products and dyno them. If someone gave me a part I would bolt it on and put it on the dyno at my cost. Alot of people here would.
Dh offered $75 to any customer that would put there pulley on the dyno. i know of at least 2-3 people who have the pulley installed and would not helpout.
But companies see the $$$$ and everyone here wants cheap power.
Power and money are a bad combo.
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Summary for you. Josh gave up and left after I started finding problems with the pulley, and then I posted a poll to ban him. This is ending before anyone else gets burned. I put in $1000 to that company and they don't even help me out with anything. It's all a big joke, but at least now people are starting to realize the truth.
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Rep Power: 812 And this is what he thinks of his customers.
Have fun on here, this forum isn't doing anyone any good. The real unthusiasts who know about racing and what comes with it will stick around, not the kids who sit and bitch about nothing because they don't have the money to make real power, or on top of that can't turn a bolt themselves, if you want to race be prepared for what comes with it, don't give up over nothing and expect a refund because you believe everything your told. Post all you want Im not coming on here anymore, so I wont see it, PM ME for thos whose want good parts, everyone else have fun bitching at everyone who HAS fast cars. I'll sit back doing what I love and picking whether I want to run my 13 second CRX or my 11 second turbo B16. What a joke
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
Summary for you. Josh gave up and left after I started finding problems with the pulley, and then I posted a poll to ban him. This is ending before anyone else gets burned. I put in $1000 to that company and they don't even help me out with anything. It's all a big joke, but at least now people are starting to realize the truth.
Summary for you. Josh gave up and left after I started finding problems with the pulley, and then I posted a poll to ban him. This is ending before anyone else gets burned. I put in $1000 to that company and they don't even help me out with anything. It's all a big joke, but at least now people are starting to realize the truth.
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Rep Power: 812 No, but a friend of mine did. He noticed alot of engine and exhaust noise, and a little better pull. He said maybe I might feel more with a vtec head, but it's doubtful. Another member, djmota, said maybe 10-15hp max out of it. For the $1500 I'm paying out just for the head, parts, and labor, I could have spent less than $800 on i/h/e and gotten similar results. 10hp on a ported head is rediculous. What happened to the 30+whp he promised?
Well whatever. Obviously I'll get mine installed and tuned, because I invested so much into this. And next time I'll be more careful before spending my hard earned money on something so worthless. That and I lost $265 on the stupid pulley. Didn't even fit my car. And even if it did, there is no way I'll ever install it.
Well whatever. Obviously I'll get mine installed and tuned, because I invested so much into this. And next time I'll be more careful before spending my hard earned money on something so worthless. That and I lost $265 on the stupid pulley. Didn't even fit my car. And even if it did, there is no way I'll ever install it.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
No, but a friend of mine did. He noticed alot of engine and exhaust noise, and a little better pull. He said maybe I might feel more with a vtec head, but it's doubtful. Another member, djmota, said maybe 10-15hp max out of it. For the $1500 I'm paying out just for the head, parts, and labor, I could have spent less than $800 on i/h/e and gotten similar results. 10hp on a ported head is rediculous. What happened to the 30+whp he promised?
Well whatever. Obviously I'll get mine installed and tuned, because I invested so much into this. And next time I'll be more careful before spending my hard earned money on something so worthless. That and I lost $265 on the stupid pulley. Didn't even fit my car. And even if it did, there is no way I'll ever install it.
No, but a friend of mine did. He noticed alot of engine and exhaust noise, and a little better pull. He said maybe I might feel more with a vtec head, but it's doubtful. Another member, djmota, said maybe 10-15hp max out of it. For the $1500 I'm paying out just for the head, parts, and labor, I could have spent less than $800 on i/h/e and gotten similar results. 10hp on a ported head is rediculous. What happened to the 30+whp he promised?
Well whatever. Obviously I'll get mine installed and tuned, because I invested so much into this. And next time I'll be more careful before spending my hard earned money on something so worthless. That and I lost $265 on the stupid pulley. Didn't even fit my car. And even if it did, there is no way I'll ever install it.
Also you have to dyno tune. My Sf kit made 186whp on the dyno before tuning and made 220whp after tuning. That is 35hp diff. So yeah 10-15whp untuned would be more like 30hp once you dyno tune the thing..
Josh offered anyone $75 to dyno his products and post a before and after. Why dont you dyno tune your head and then see if you need to gripe.
I also dont understand why people take their cars to Honda dealer for work. Learn how to work on a car and save yourself $$$$. Your friend who spent $1,000 at Honda because of metal shavings could have done the work herself with a few tools.
But in all honesty DH did make some bad judgement calls. But so did people who thought a magic pulley would give them 30hp.
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Rep Power: 812 I was gonna post one more thing to completely humiliate Josh, but I think he's been through enough. At least he finally realized he's not wanted here. Thank goodness.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
I was gonna post one more thing to completely humiliate Josh, but I think he's been through enough. At least he finally realized he's not wanted here. Thank goodness.
I was gonna post one more thing to completely humiliate Josh, but I think he's been through enough. At least he finally realized he's not wanted here. Thank goodness.
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Rep Power: 812 PnP head-$750
head bolts-$100
gaskets-$50
fluids -$25
install $300-500
And no, I can't install this in my apartment parking lot. Not everyone has a nice garage to do work. Almost everything on my car has been installed by me.
And actually, Josh said he will give $150 for dyno. I WILL be asking for that money when I dyno. Only problem is Josh is not a man of his word anymore. So I doubt he'll just hand over money like that.
head bolts-$100
gaskets-$50
fluids -$25
install $300-500
And no, I can't install this in my apartment parking lot. Not everyone has a nice garage to do work. Almost everything on my car has been installed by me.
And actually, Josh said he will give $150 for dyno. I WILL be asking for that money when I dyno. Only problem is Josh is not a man of his word anymore. So I doubt he'll just hand over money like that.
Ok You know there is a lot of hype because we dont have the dyno's right now. So I am offering $150 off anything you want if you post a dyno for something you got from us.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
PnP head-$750
head bolts-$100
gaskets-$50
fluids -$25
install $300-500
And no, I can't install this in my apartment parking lot. Not everyone has a nice garage to do work. Almost everything on my car has been installed by me.
And actually, Josh said he will give $150 for dyno. I WILL be asking for that money when I dyno. Only problem is Josh is not a man of his word anymore. So I doubt he'll just hand over money like that.
PnP head-$750
head bolts-$100
gaskets-$50
fluids -$25
install $300-500
And no, I can't install this in my apartment parking lot. Not everyone has a nice garage to do work. Almost everything on my car has been installed by me.
And actually, Josh said he will give $150 for dyno. I WILL be asking for that money when I dyno. Only problem is Josh is not a man of his word anymore. So I doubt he'll just hand over money like that.
Head gasket $30
Colant and oil: Free (I had extra from my last fluid change)
Labor: 6hrs cost case of beer and a pitcher of Margaritas for my budy who helped.
Madwheel did his DIY also for free.
Why did you pay soo much for your head. Hell they were even on ebay for $550 last month.
Skyline R33
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.WOW look 35hp just from tuning with VAFC2. You cant post results from your friends *** dyno with no tuning and slam a company. That is slander. You are slandering his company name with no proof(dyno or anything).
You are starting to sound like some of the other DH haters on here. But what should I expect you thought a magic pulley would give you 30hp and you are now scared to but it on after the same bandwagon turned on DH,
You are starting to sound like some of the other DH haters on here. But what should I expect you thought a magic pulley would give you 30hp and you are now scared to but it on after the same bandwagon turned on DH,
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Rep Power: 812 I was one of the first to get the head, so maybe that's why. I don't know--maybe you should ask Josh, because $740 shipped was the special deal he gave me.
I got caught once for working on my car and can't do it again. I need a place to live.
And you seem to be missing alot of parts. You need three gaskets, not one. And you also need new head bolts, because the old ones will stretch and not hold a good seal. Everyone knows that. But I guess you'll find that out later if you insist on using old bolts like Josh does.
Well, I'm tired to talking about this. I hope you have better luck with the parts you got. Maybe your pulley will even fit on. I'll eventually post a dyno with my head after tuning. Until then, there's not much to say. I'm just taking a loss on the pulley.
I got caught once for working on my car and can't do it again. I need a place to live.
And you seem to be missing alot of parts. You need three gaskets, not one. And you also need new head bolts, because the old ones will stretch and not hold a good seal. Everyone knows that. But I guess you'll find that out later if you insist on using old bolts like Josh does.
Well, I'm tired to talking about this. I hope you have better luck with the parts you got. Maybe your pulley will even fit on. I'll eventually post a dyno with my head after tuning. Until then, there's not much to say. I'm just taking a loss on the pulley.
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Rep Power: 812 Hey and watch who you're talking to like that. Where do you get off attacking me like that. I'm the one that got screwed out of money on the pulley, remember.
Thanks for the dyno tune difference, unfortunately my car doesn't have turbo or anything else. It's stock. So I doubt there will be much difference. Arguing about this is pointless, and I'm done.
Thanks for the dyno tune difference, unfortunately my car doesn't have turbo or anything else. It's stock. So I doubt there will be much difference. Arguing about this is pointless, and I'm done.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
I was one of the first to get the head, so maybe that's why. I don't know--maybe you should ask Josh, because $740 shipped was the special deal he gave me.
I got caught once for working on my car and can't do it again. I need a place to live.
And you seem to be missing alot of parts. You need three gaskets, not one. And you also need new head bolts, because the old ones will stretch and not hold a good seal. Everyone knows that. But I guess you'll find that out later if you insist on using old bolts like Josh does.
Well, I'm tired to talking about this. I hope you have better luck with the parts you got. Maybe your pulley will even fit on. I'll eventually post a dyno with my head after tuning. Until then, there's not much to say. I'm just taking a loss on the pulley.
I was one of the first to get the head, so maybe that's why. I don't know--maybe you should ask Josh, because $740 shipped was the special deal he gave me.
I got caught once for working on my car and can't do it again. I need a place to live.
And you seem to be missing alot of parts. You need three gaskets, not one. And you also need new head bolts, because the old ones will stretch and not hold a good seal. Everyone knows that. But I guess you'll find that out later if you insist on using old bolts like Josh does.
Well, I'm tired to talking about this. I hope you have better luck with the parts you got. Maybe your pulley will even fit on. I'll eventually post a dyno with my head after tuning. Until then, there's not much to say. I'm just taking a loss on the pulley.
Find an empty parking lot. Say your car broke down there and work on it. You do not need to pay someone $500 to use their garage. I know very very little about cars and I managed to do mine. Madwheel had never done it before and did it.
Just buy a good shop book if you are unsure on the specs and roll up your sleaves.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by gearbox
Hey and watch who you're talking to like that. Where do you get off attacking me like that. I'm the one that got screwed out of money on the pulley, remember.
Thanks for the dyno tune difference, unfortunately my car doesn't have turbo or anything else. It's stock. So I doubt there will be much difference. Arguing about this is pointless, and I'm done.
Hey and watch who you're talking to like that. Where do you get off attacking me like that. I'm the one that got screwed out of money on the pulley, remember.
Thanks for the dyno tune difference, unfortunately my car doesn't have turbo or anything else. It's stock. So I doubt there will be much difference. Arguing about this is pointless, and I'm done.
You say your done. yeah after you and you hijacked half the threads on this site and slandered a company without even testing the products that you bought from them.
Send me your Dh head and I will put it on mine and post results. Then see if you still dont want it.
Your done. I bet not. Just like I bet Josh is not done. He has been in contact with me and other loyal customers the whole time.
Once we are done and I post results I am sure a new bandwagon will form. Just like SF for a while they were being slammed for refunds it was taking 6months to ship. Well time passed and there was a True Honda group buy. I new group buy formed and then the problems happened again. I think one story was the piping guy was held hostage or something. If Josh said the same crap you guys would hang him.
I am sure your little poll will prove your point and it will prove my bandwagon point. All the now haters were the ones on the bandwagon who thought a pulley would give them a magic 30hp.
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Rep Power: 0 I think that it is two issues here-
You have read my little issue on my head but
1) The product is a great one- everyone who saw the work before it was put on my car and those who drove it after see that it was a great addition to my Civic- more air=happier car and turbo.
2) The problem is the follow up, a mistake was made and it is most likely going to be resolved but organization is very important in a company and so is knowing who are your big supporters.
I will say right now, if DH fixes my problem, I am dynoing next week with the head on (that is the only addition to my car since my dyno last fall) and I will be running the same psi- I will post that once the problem is fixed with DH.
If this is settled and I am happy with my results I will be DH's biggest fan, hp is one of the hardest things to come by in my journey into cars...
On a side note, can you believe this post has not been shut down yet, god 78 pages!
You have read my little issue on my head but
1) The product is a great one- everyone who saw the work before it was put on my car and those who drove it after see that it was a great addition to my Civic- more air=happier car and turbo.
2) The problem is the follow up, a mistake was made and it is most likely going to be resolved but organization is very important in a company and so is knowing who are your big supporters.
I will say right now, if DH fixes my problem, I am dynoing next week with the head on (that is the only addition to my car since my dyno last fall) and I will be running the same psi- I will post that once the problem is fixed with DH.
If this is settled and I am happy with my results I will be DH's biggest fan, hp is one of the hardest things to come by in my journey into cars...
On a side note, can you believe this post has not been shut down yet, god 78 pages!
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Rep Power: 0 I just went to the Honda dealership yesterday and asked about changing out my head. He said that you would not need to change the bolts being that it's such a new car. He said we do have to change the gasket and the fluids of course.
I hope I get mine within the next month. Plus I will have the Intake mani/tb...so when I dyno tune my SAFCII i will come back with some numbers.
I hope I get mine within the next month. Plus I will have the Intake mani/tb...so when I dyno tune my SAFCII i will come back with some numbers.
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Rep Power: 0 ok, well back to the pulley, could someone post a pic of the trimmed timing cover? I'm working on getting this done and is this spacer suppose to go on the inside of the pulley?
Another thing, did anyone else's spacer having little dings on the inside rim? Would that affect the balance?
Another thing, did anyone else's spacer having little dings on the inside rim? Would that affect the balance?
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Rep Power: 812 Mine had dings in it. I don't know how it will affect rotation. And I guess the spacer should go in before the pulley, but I have no idea again. I was looking forward to installing this for two months, but it's too bad nobody can get it on for me.
For headbolts--I was told by another Honda tech, as well as a friend who does engine work, that headbolts must ALWAYS be replaced. Even the guy putting my head in said the same thing, as did other members on this site who are running awesome setups. It will cost alot more than $100 to fix a problem later on.
For headbolts--I was told by another Honda tech, as well as a friend who does engine work, that headbolts must ALWAYS be replaced. Even the guy putting my head in said the same thing, as did other members on this site who are running awesome setups. It will cost alot more than $100 to fix a problem later on.
Re: Dyno before VAFC2
Originally posted by guns
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Lots of good points in this thread made by both sides.
Josh it sounds like you have one very happy person here supporting you, which is pleasant to see.
gearbox, still waiting patiently for those measurements from you to be posted. You seem to be the leader in this thread, can you take some intiative and encourage others to do the same that haven't successfully installed the pulley? I think myself and others would like to know what they are, as would Josh. There have been claims that it was made from a D16, B18, etc. Perhaps they accidentally mailed you the wrong one!
Thanks guys, keep it up,
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Rep Power: 0 So where do u get 100 bucks for bolts? I would like to see maybe a package online? Or does this have to be picked up from Honda?
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Rep Power: 0 NVM, i found a whole bunch of posts in Honda-Tech about the bolts.
Supposively if your not running boost or really high compression, buying OEM ones will work just fine. They also said, there is no NEED to change them, but they recommend it.
Supposively if your not running boost or really high compression, buying OEM ones will work just fine. They also said, there is no NEED to change them, but they recommend it.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by guns
You say your done. yeah after you and you hijacked half the threads on this site and slandered a company without even testing the products that you bought from them.
Your done. I bet not. Just like I bet Josh is not done. He has been in contact with me and other loyal customers the whole time.
Once we are done and I post results I am sure a new bandwagon will form. Just like SF for a while they were being slammed for refunds it was taking 6months to ship. Well time passed and there was a True Honda group buy. I new group buy formed and then the problems happened again. I think one story was the piping guy was held hostage or something. If Josh said the same crap you guys would hang him.
I am sure your little poll will prove your point and it will prove my bandwagon point. All the now haters were the ones on the bandwagon who thought a pulley would give them a magic 30hp.
You say your done. yeah after you and you hijacked half the threads on this site and slandered a company without even testing the products that you bought from them.
Your done. I bet not. Just like I bet Josh is not done. He has been in contact with me and other loyal customers the whole time.
Once we are done and I post results I am sure a new bandwagon will form. Just like SF for a while they were being slammed for refunds it was taking 6months to ship. Well time passed and there was a True Honda group buy. I new group buy formed and then the problems happened again. I think one story was the piping guy was held hostage or something. If Josh said the same crap you guys would hang him.
I am sure your little poll will prove your point and it will prove my bandwagon point. All the now haters were the ones on the bandwagon who thought a pulley would give them a magic 30hp.
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Rep Power: 812 Well hopefully I get the head installed next week. I will ask the same mechanic to measure the diameter of the crank when everything is pulled apart.
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Rep Power: 374 Originally posted by opto_isolator
OMG - who changed his title, "suspended vendor" Hahahahaha
OMG - who changed his title, "suspended vendor" Hahahahaha
Thats what I heard. So he is suspended. Joined: Sep 2002
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Rep Power: 812 Haha. Jodster is correct. Well as long as he's suspended and can't steal any more money from us for defective parts, I'll be happy. 
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Rep Power: 374 ^^^^^^^^^^^Well, he can't sell parts on this site, but that won't stop all the newbies that see his parts and buys them from Josh's site before they see all the sh*t about how bad the parts are.
