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Old Apr 21, 2004
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Just remember that the guy who started this thread was the first who was "fine". Then his got messed up over some time.
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Also, we can't be sure if the spacer is perfectly straight.
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another random question that I'm not sure has been covered....

since this pulley is "pressed" on the crank, how difficult is it going to be to remove it down the road?
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his get messed up over time cause the shop angeled it and foreced it on that is why the pulley was deystroyed, but other people like mootlif3 have had no problems, can anyone with a digi cam and like 30 min take a pic so we can either disprove or prove this
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the f*cking thing was designed for the D16, Josh give them their money back.
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if these pullies are pressed on how do u people think ur getting them off by hand, u couldnt be able to, and u wouldnt be able to put them on by hand

i think u people need to be careful putting the thing on for any reason spacer or not, give it some time and its GOING TO BREAK
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if it was designed for a d16 then why were a few people able to put it on, some without problems and some with? and whats going to break? the pulley itself its supposed to be snug cause there is no key way system, the only reason i still want to give this a chance cause the people that got it put on said they felt better throttle response and things like that, but also right now i may just want my 175 bucks back
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I wouldn't ask for your moeny back if you haven't treid it. Now I don't know which one of you has or has not tried it. I'm thinking in Gaerbox's place he should maybe get a refund...but then again...i'm not the mechanic.

As far as my intake mani/tb goes, he did send me a PM stating that the machinest who has been working on this damn spacer for over 2 weeks now isn't going to do it, so Dave himself has to... It's been over 1 1/2 months.
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I just got my spacer in the mail. It is a little billet aluminum ring with an O.D. of 1 1/2" and an I.D. of 1 1/8" and a thickness of about 1/8".
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Originally posted by one for the kid
i got my spacer yesterday so you all should be getting yours as well.


josh, if i still wanted to get the pulley installed, is there anyway you could do it for me? i live in vegas as well...
Hmmm sounds like a plan. Let me talk to Dave. Call me later today 661-547-1508. I can do a complete breakdown with the pics and all, and then everyone can go wow, it works, and all the pulleys are the same. I have good ethics, but when someone tells me a part that has been used for 15 years doesn't work when people already have it installed that's crazy. The machine cuts all the pulleys the same, not one difference it's CNC meaning no MISTAKES.
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Originally posted by Ershall
the f*cking thing was designed for the D16, Josh give them their money back.
Not it wasn't, if it was for a D16 then you would have about 1/8 inch of press which wouldn't work period. They were made with the same size as a B16 shaft which is what a D17 has. Im not giving any money back for those who can't get it on because it's been proven to be installed correctly, and this guy who lives here locally I am going to do it for any prove to everyone it's simple
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im so confused i dont see how a few people can figure this part out, even if they took it to a real mechanic and maybe it was them who was afraid to have it put on the car, it just seems like something is wrong with something

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^^ I think that's a pretty bad statement. There are tons of other parts for our cars that some people don't know how to install. I.E. Fuel stuff...I dunno how to do it, but I wouldn't blame the company for producing a product that I didn't know how to install...
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I got my fingers crossed!

Definatly make a DIY Josh even though I think we understand 99% of it, it would clear thing up alot. My buddy thats putting it on for me works at a Honda / Acura shop and has a 11.9 second daily driven 98 hatch. So if it can be done, he can do it!
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Originally posted by DaddyFatSacks
My buddy thats putting it on for me works at a Honda / Acura shop and has a 11.9 second daily driven 98 hatch. So if it can be done, he can do it!
After you install this pulley on your car be ready to give your buddy with the 11.9 sec hatch a run for his money
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Got the spacer in the mail today. Here is a picture of what it is.

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if you put the spacer in mootlif then take pics would you if you can or tell us how it goes
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guess what guys....special 40 dollar dyno on saturday

Im going to "TRY" and get there and switch out pullies
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Let's make things interesting...

I personally know five people that have ruined their main bearings after about 15K miles of non- OEM pulley use. Main bearings on Hondas don't normally fail; it's usually something else. Two main causes of bearing failure are lack of oil and excessive vibration. Since the bearings didn't spin, lack of oil can be ruled out, and since all five cars had underdrive pulleys, and all five failed right around 15K miles after the install of the pulley, through process of elimination, I've decided that the underdrive pulleys were at fault.

I live in vegas, where it gets hot, I installed it myself, just the crank pulley and it was a pita!!!
immediately I noticed major a/c cooling loss...to much underdriving for me. performance wise, well it does pick up quicker, mid-high end power has improved, over all I don't think it was worth the price and trouble installing it. Considering sticking my stock pulley back on. This underdriving of 15% is not true, its more like 50% They state the performance is from weight reduction, then why not offer them the same size as stock made out of aluminum???
All in all, its a racing pulley, if your racing get it, if not don't waste your time under driving everything...
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I wonder what happens to your battery if the alternator is not putting out max power to charge it AND power every accessory in your car.

I wonder what happens to your stock cam gear after installing a rediculously light crank pulley.

I wonder what happens when Honda sees a crank pulley with DH racing carved on the side when doing warranty work.

But most of all, I wonder how long this pulley will last before destroying your car.
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I will hold Josh to his word If I dont recive the spacer by friday I will ask for the refund. I am a man of my word lets see if he is.
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I noticed hardly any loss in AC. It doesn't blow much at all at idle, but once the car is in motion it blows just as strong as before to me. If it destroys my car, it's my loss. I knew the potential problems that come with replacing the crank pulley when I got in the group buy and I'm pretty sure that everyone else knew too. It seems like everyone that can't get the pulley on is now all against it, but if it had fit you would be all up on their nuts about it saying how great it is. The pulley is great, it fit and it works fine so far without a hitch. I'm sure many people are going to get all pissy and **** and begin to slander me because I'm 'defending' the pulley. I'm not really defending anything, but just stating that what I have received worked and performed as stated by Josh from DH-Racing.
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So does that mean you gained 10whp? Doubtful. Noone will attack you--I'm simply pointing out facts. When this first started, I was a sucker believing everything Josh said. Why do you think I bought it? Now I've learned more. Believe me, if their ported head works...I will be telling everyone how good it is. The fact is there are too many people having problems with this company and their products. They certainly are not doing anything to fix it.

On a side note--Melissa just had to pay close to $1000 to fix her car from metal shavings found in her DH ported head.

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If you look carefully at a Honda "pulley", you'll find that it's not a single piece of metal. Typically, there's a nodular iron or steel hub and another "ring" of iron or steel surrounding it containing the belt grooves. The two parts are joined by a rubber layer, which is highly compressed and sandwiched between them. Why rubber? If you notice, many four cylinder engines over the years have used counter rotating shafts to help make the engine "feel" smoother. Reciprocating internal combustion engines and especially in-line four cylinder versions, all produce shock pulses, which are very apparent to the occupants of the car. Every engine produces a shock pulse each time an individual cylinder fires. So, in the case of the four cylinder variety, there are four large individual pulses for each 720 degrees of crank rotation. Each time there's a pulse, it causes the internal components to do a rapid acceleration-deceleration event. When you consider the mass of all the internal components and visualize all these parts stopping and starting during their reciprocating and rotating motions, the additional stress "spikes" tend to make it all the more reason for one to wonder how any of it can work for any length of time. The harmonic balancer is made with the rubber coupling so that, when the individual "spikes" occur, the inner portion may move with the crank, but the rubber connected outer ring's mass helps prevent the hub and crank from going as far or as fast during the spikes or pulses. Remember that the outer part had considerable mass, so it tends to want to stay in motion at the speed that it's traveling and that's why it can prevent excessive harsh motion by the crank and other internal parts. To put it simply, the harmonic balancer is a shock absorber for the engine and thus prevents the individual pulses from destroying everything in the engine.
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It's time for you guys to learn the REAL info.

Make sure whatever pulley's you decide to use that they have some type of dampener.
Without a dampener the pulley may create excessive vibration in the crank causing damage to internals or oil pump failure.
This may happen even as a result of a lightweight pullet regardless of dampening.

I ran a lightweight OEM Civic Type R crank pulley on my Integra GSR block. (The GSR crank pulley is huge, and has slots for PS, AC, Alternator compared to the CTR Crank Pulley with just a slot for the alternator).
Even though the CTR Crank pulley is dampened, I still managed to shatter 2 oil pump gears!(which lead to spun bearings & blown turbo! ) I had no clue why. When I changed back to the stock GSR Crank Pulley, I never had the problem again.
I also do not believe that the weight of this pulley is really what provides the majority of the WHP increase, but the fact that it is actually under driving the accessories by 25%. I think a heavier pulley of the same diameter would show similar results on the dyno. My rough calculations for a 4 lb 6" disk to spin from 3K to 7K in 5 seconds, takes less than 1HP, so most of the gains are obviously not coming from the pulley weight reduction.
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Ok man you are way off base reading text book crap that is meaningless. Why don't you look up the best harmonic dampener known to man yes it's aluminum and the whole pulley is just that billet aluminum, on top of that the Dh-Racing engraved is perfect symetrical on the pulley and balanced, you think I would run one on my 6000 motor if I knew it was going to cause harmonic vibration NO. If someone blows a motor or oil pump from our pulley then cool, but no one has ever come back to us saying this in the 7 years the Honda pulley has been offered by us.

Melissa spent $1000 because I told her upfront what to do and the Mechanic at HONDA again I say HONDA being the most expensive place in the world did about 7 things that were not needed. Yeah some metal got caught up in the journals but I have the reciept from the machine shop stating it was Hot Tanked and submerged in solution to remove any shavings, but yeah I admitted it and told her to pull the head and have them thoroughly clean it again. It happens, Mike from SF didn't have this problem, and Im sure others wont either. The problem could have been a simple fix, but they went through 5 things after I told her right up front what to do, but you know what I even offered to help her with compensation, but told her we needed some time to settle in and get a little caught up. The spacers are arriving so I lived up to my word, and wont be giving refund on them, as for everything else I lived up to my word with Prod's refund ect....so I have done my best to make ammends with everyone. I can't win with everyone but I will work little by little with the two built motor swap D17 Turbo setups we sold to show everyone what crazy power we make with your motors.
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mootlif3, would you be able to post a few pics of the stock crank pulley? That would be great. Thanks.
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"Ok man you are way off base reading text book crap that is meaningless"

Lets take a moment to review the absurdity of that comment. "text book crap"....are you f*cking kidding me? The reason we have textbooks would be because they contain, for the most part, accepted facts on their subject. Any personal account of how your product has the potential to F*CK UP our engine, IMO, is extremely relevant and on that note, OF COURSE you would want to think that is full of sh*t....it will make you sell less pulleys.....get out of our faces with that BS Josh.
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And, lets see, another account of a happy customer that got f*cked over by using DH's product...I mean prove me wrong. We have what? a total of 4 happy customers on this site and like 25 that have a pulley and spacer (which are serving as nothing more than paperweights). And might I also mention that you are having to import your happy customers ONTO the site to tell us what a reputable business you are and how happy they are with your product.....DH is bullsh*t, YOU are bullsh*t, and your defense in bullsh*t.
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Josh, it says Dh racing has an unsatisfactory record with BBB. I thought every single one of your products works perfectly? I'm confused.

On another side note. I'm getting my head installed soon. If it doesn't live up to your crazy 30+whp claims, I'll see to it that you never sell another product on this site.

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Dh-Racing Full Race Ported Head (Yes Just Like Mike From SF Has And He Tells You Of The Power It Makes)

$800 STARTING WITH US PROVIDING THE CORE

$50 Off Per Every 5 People Who Sign Up, So Get 10 People And It Would Be $700 Which is A STEAL FOR THIS KIND OF WORK. Expect gains of 30+ at the wheels, and much more on turbo setups. Thanks again everyone this is the time to jump on.
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