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PWNED.

 
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This looks horrible guys, Josh is a good guy and I do sell their products but, I cannot vouch for their service, products or any of the above bc I have made almost no sales. Gearbox, if your head is not right, then I believe DH and I will have to work things out.

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Thing I love about this is - he was talking about using a hammer to pound the pulley on. If its perfectly balanced, beating on it with a hammer is going to fck up the balance.....

 
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Thanks man. What a cool vendor Truehonda is. I remember meeting you in Chicago a few weeks ago, and you're an honest guy.

 
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this weekend, i am driving to new orleans and throwing the ****in pulley in the mississippi river.. or if anyone wants it i'll give it to you for the cost of shipping.. =\

 
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Sure thing gearbox, I'll snap some pictures of it tomorrow when I get off work. The pulley is about two acres out in a shed and there are no lights, so my luck I will be experimented on by some aliens or something equally as ghey in the dark.

 
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Lol, you guys are funny. I'm gonna keep my pulley on the desk here as a reminder.

Reason I want stock pics is to see if there's some kind of rubber or something in the middle. If there is, it means the harmonic damper is built into the pulley. The DH pulley obviously doesn't have this, so there won't be anything to absorb the vibration.

 
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well some good news for u guys at least....my friend has this thing sorta like a wheel balancer but spins 10000x faster...we hooked up my pulley today (no computer readings tho) just to see how well balanced it is and if it's gonna wabble or anything...guess what? it doesn't...even at 17,000rpm....we left it on running straight at 17,000rpm for over 2 minutes and nothing seems to be wrong...so just hopefully it'll live up to what josh says...

 
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A rubber mallet probably wouldn't damage the pulley.

But he just said "hammer," so maybe that means rubber mallet, and maybe that means a metal hammer.

 
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Wow, 17,000rpm that's like one of those Champ cars, right? (Do they even get that high? I think they can get at least up to 12 or 13k)

Hmm I dunno.

That is good news, tho.

 
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I said cover the pulley with something like a towel and then tap on it with a hammer it wont damage it and once it's on flush then crank the bolt down and it will take it with it.

As for Ershall. Text Book Means that of what the world has made it. But we go against that because our pulley is one of a kind, and the worlds best have it. Bisi the worlds fastest all motor car is using our pulley, so hmmm let me see that BS you are talking about seems to have the eye of the superior racers in this world.

If you dont put it on I could care less really because that's your loss. Those who run it know it works, and when you run this pulley with big power then it really makes the difference. And with Unorthadox they have countless motors blown by theirs and there is not one recorded blown motor from our pulley setup.

BBB wooopty dooo, open a shop and last 1 month without getting a bad rep with them. All it takes is one person to do something dumb and put the blame in the wrong place.

 
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so that means ur not supposed to respond to them?????

 
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It was settled in court. The BBB didn't get notification, oh well we did what was necessary...and if the BBB didn't file their report as required that's on them.

 
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17k rpm?!?!? Damn that's a well balanced ****ing pulley. Well good luck to you guys. I think Josh has more then proven himself here. Although some people may have problems installing it, I think for now on it should be taken up with him personally then publicaly. Oh well I am done with this thread,

 
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How has he proven himself. I don't get it. We still don't have a dyno after three months, and one member has the pulley on. At best the pulley is balanced. But that doesn't mean it's safe. There are many other factors you guys don't realize. But whatever, that's just me.

 
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I made the pulley, I mislead you all on the spacers being Dave didn't get them out like I thought he did, and things went wrong with a motor, I have done more then try and get these things resolved, how the hell can I make it up. I can't, so what's the use, I am still here though trying to make everyone happy. People now have the spacer, and Prod has his refund, Dyno's will come, and I still have two full D17 turbo swaps out there that will make Rediculous power when installed so that will more then prove we know what we are doing with these motors.

 
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i was quite impressed as well on the 17,000RPM test...i thought for sure the thing was gonna go flying up and hit something...so we even put this special leather cover protector thingy on it that they customly made for **** like this...he was surprised because he said that it's pretty damn well balanced and that it could last u awhile if you get it installed properly....btw, the machine max's out at 17,000rpm, they're planning on getting one that's even faster...i think it's some kind of rotory powered thing and it goes up to 23,000rpm or something stupid like that....but yea, n1 race cars are known to hit 11-12K rpm...so this test is way faster than you'll ever need...

 
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So again proven that it's a perfect balance and dampener, so therefore this should be no problem for any of you, and why it has been such a sucess for us on other setups through the years.

 
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how much power gains are from the regrind in the camshaft? I was thinking about getting one but I need to know, can you make a custom aggressive cam that will not take 2 weeks total? Because I can't last long without 2 weeks. Especially without a car.

 
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You're right you don't know.....as well as the others here. Just because it appears to be balanced doesn't mean squat. The stock pulley has a HARMONIC balancer. Harmonic means that there is more than 1 frequency at which vibration happens. Certain frequencies tend to attenuate the vibration more than others. Usually they are multiples of each other (for example 200 rpm, 400 rpm, etc). The test you did just proves it works at 17000 rpm - no big deal. If you had a strain gauge hooked up to measure the vibration, and view it on an oscilloscope you would probably see some vibration. It doesn't matter how perfect they claim it to be - no pulley is going to be exact, which is why manufacturers install that rubber - to fix the small imperfections that exist in the first place.....

 
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That's what I mentioned above, and that's why I want to see the stock pulley and whether it has rubber in the middle. If it does, all you guys are gonna be screwed later on. Say bye-bye engine.

 
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See you can talk all you want about how this drag car uses our pulley and that drag car does. Who gives a fu(k. Fact is, this pulley is not made for Daily driving.

 
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Fact #2: You can't really lure our interest into a product which has such an extensive install that we have to drive our cars to Vegas and have you install them to get the job done "correctly"...just to have problems 6 monthes later only to have you and DH claim that it was something else going wrong (case in point: Melissa). It's bad business practice. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that that's why the BBB has beef with you (But hey, that's just speculation on my part, it doesn't take a genius to realize that you have been running a seemingly unorganized, makeshift business "for the last 15 years").....

As far as I can see, there have been two or three people in this entire country that are willing to risk f*cking up an engine to install your product: Josh can (big surprize there), I'm assuming Dave Hickman would be more than happy to **** up a few D17s, and the mechanic used by the SINGLE member who has your pulley installed. Wow, us 7thgeners feel rather confident. Experienced Honda technicians can't put your sh*t on, but you expect us to without the DIY. HOW!? Once again, are you kidding me!?

 
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Right about now would be when Josh'll drop in saying that he is doing all he can....what more do we want from him (and any other typical response that we get from him).

See, the reality of this situation is that no matter how much you try to convince us that your pulley will work on street applications and that any one of us can install it, YOU"RE WRONG. Josh, you should have tested the goddamn pulley extensively before you came on here and started the group buy; before you started telling us that it would have no detrimental effect on our engine and before you started telling us to expect gains of blah blah blah. You should have had Dyno charts with a stock civic and you should have had a comparison dyno chart of a stock civic with the pulley. You should have a detailed DIY on how to install the pulley. You should have sent the pulleys out to a few 7thgeners, had them perform the install, document the results, developed a detailed set of directions, and done your best to resolve any problems that your consumers had. Instead, you let your first 5 grand worth of customers be your f*cking guinea pigs and you're not willing to refund them because you have faith in your product.

Nobody gives a sh*t how much you believe in what you sell. Your first priority should be to make your customers happy, not to tell us how the world of modern racing is using your products; frankly, not many of your clients on this site are satisfied and this is reinforced by the fact that your vendorship is still suspended. You need to browse the site and see how Rob, Eddie, Catalyst of SF, etc., handle their customers and take notes. If we pay you $185 for a piece of aluminum that cannot be installed without taking significant risk or driving to Vegas to have you put it on, than we diserve our money back -- plain and simple....tell me again why you aren't willing to give them refunds? Wasn't that because one member on this site has gotten the pulley to work? Hmmmmmmm, one member out of like 25 members got it to work. So you're saying that a single, isolated incident where your product actually worked like it's supposed to gives you justification to not refund everyone else? I suppose you expect us to buy a trimmed timing cover from you as well? Maybe then it will fit.....are you f*cking kidding me? I can't believe that you think you can get away with such poor planning and not refunding the unsatisfied customers. If you have such faith in your product, then you should have no problem refunding them. Such a great product that is the future of racing shouldn not give you any problems getting resold to the next dumbass that comes along willing to waste money on DH products. I don't get you Josh....How exactly did you come to be in the position you are in?

It takes an a dumbass like DH to put a man like you in charge of an area so important to his business' success.....good luck in the long run. I hope you get some sense from the vendors who make it around here; the ones who aren't constantly making excuses because they have thier sh*t together.

I hope the members of this site take you to court and get we all feel they diserve. Nothing would make me more satisfied than to see the DH Racing that you claim to be going strong for the last fifteen years to be reduced to nothing more than a bankrupt company which everyone in the performance business knows better than to deal with. I feel I have said what was needed.

 
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Dude you talk so much about bullsh** The product works, and people are pissed off becasue they can't get it on and over speculation. All because of Prod's motor and I fixed that situation. Give me 100 7th Gen's and 100 Of Every Kind Of Pulley We Sell and I will get everyone on with no issues. These guys dont know what they are doing, and yet again are scared because they think they are going to mess it up and quit. I had never done it before did mine and nothing, not one problem. I drive my CRX every day, and it is stroked, 12.5:1 compression, race head, race cam, an extreme race pulley that barely charges the alternator at all, and for the last 8 month, I BEAT MY MOTOR UP day in and day out and yeah you will see me at the track next week BECAUSE IT STILL RUNS PERFECT. Same 13.5-13.7 is always does. So screw your comments about it not being for daily, and how you are trying to twist everything I say and make everyone believe against the pulley. It works, it doesn't damage your motor, and anything you have to say other then small issues I have a counter for. BANKRUPT??? HAHAH Are you serious. If you only knew the amount we make man, your crazy if you think this little thing here you are trying to do with even phase us. People know DH and know our stuff works, no matter what you say the 100 built motors we put out last year REP way more then your trash talking on here considering we have the fastest Street Honda All Motor Car in TN, fastest Street motor Honda PERIOD in FL, and my buddy just made 265 to the wheels on a built CRV/Tec we did for him. You can run your mouth all day, but I know YOU'RE WRONG, and I know Im trying to make everyone happy, and if we went to court then I would simply tell the judge, "Pull 5 D17's in here, and give me 5 pulleys from 5 different batches, and watch me work" so go on with your talk and talk all you want. Show me one vendor on this site that has a world record, or has any accomplishments in racing like Dave does or that can say they have done it all from leading the streets with Mustangs in the 80's to leading them with Honda's in the 90's and 00's

Thanks man you really make me think of all the good we have done, and are doing. Makes me feel even better because what you say means NOTHING.

 
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Oh yeah and 2 have gotten it on and what like 3 have tried and gave up?!?!?!? Wait till everyone who got their spacer tries and see.

 
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This is from www.dh-racing.com

It was under the race pulley for the D17 engine. Might be a good idea if you take the text off.

Copy and pasted straight form dh-racing.com:

"NOW AVAILABLE FOR ALL D17 HONDA MOTORS

These pulleys are for the racer that wants an edge over his competition. They are big power gainers and are easy to take on an off will install in five minutes anyone can do it. Expect to gain as much as 20 whp dyno proven.
"

From reading this whole thread there is not one word of truth in that whole statement describing the pulley.

 
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i'm just gonna wait until JMO call me about the spacer

 
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Not even going to respond to how poorly you planned the release of this pulley eh? No matter, silence is the same as admitting that I'm right.

I'm not saying that your pulley won't work. I'm not saying that you don't use your own product. I'm, not saying that you don't believe that your products. I'm not saying that you didn't set some cheesy world record.

I'm saying that everything you use to defend yourself is irrelevent. What matters is that YOU aren't available to install the 5 Gs of pulleys that you shipped out to 7thgeners and you claim that they are easy to install and dyno proven......ehm, LIES. Easy to install.....I remember you saying that it took you about an hour per install when you installed the pulley on local civics...When did 60 minutes become 5 minutes. Let's say that you are expert on installing YOUR product (which would make sense seeing as how you have overseen the development and know how to do it). If it takes you an hour to completely install it, it would take the average 7thgener a while longer (regardless, an hour is 12 times bigger than 5 minutes....it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out). Second of all, lets talk about this Dyno you're referring to. I'd LOVE to see that Dyno Josh......show us PLEASE.

I talk "bullsh*t" because your defense is bullsh*t. You base EVERYTHING on nonmaterial evidence that irrelevent to any of your customers.