310civicEX

im really hoping there is some easy fix for this.. it will not shift into 5th gear.. its got honda trans fluid in it , up to the filler hole... i lubed up the shift linkages under the hood and under the console... clutch appears to be bled properly... does anyone know a fix for this? aside from pulling the tranny out and rebuilding it?

while driving the car when i try to put it in 5th it just grinds.

310civicEX

found this... its a start

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/3...s-problem.html

Colin42

Shifter cable/pivot ball issue?

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/3...n-dilemma.html

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/3...-problems.html

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/3...d-answers.html

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...fter-part.html

How to replace the cables:

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...placement.html

310civicEX

so the part in question is #1 the whole assembly?

https://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com...s--shift-lever

Colin42

looks so to me, did you check yours yet?

310civicEX

not yet... i suspect thats it though... its a PITA to get it to go in reverse also... i basically just saved this car.. replaced almost everything on it..lol "alot of doner cars nearby"

310civicEX

im actually glad to see the split.... now to track down the part.....btw..anyone successfully "rig" some way to glue the ball at the end? resin? epoxy? jb weld?

310civicEX

lever sub-assy., change - honda (54100-s5a-003)

310civicEX

this sounds crazy but i super glued the ball closed. stays closed even when forcing into reverse... appears to be working as a temp fix... but i believe the problem is the cable. i disconnect the shifter sub assembly and pull the cable by hand and it is very hard to go in reverse.. i move the cable around reposition it and i can put in reverse with no resistance.. im thinking its the cable thats bad...but do they actually go bad? at first i thought it was kinked up somewhere or possibly caught in the rear engine mount when i put all the mounts back in..

ezone

STOP NOW!

Raise at least one of the front wheels wheels in the air before you try to judge how well it shifts, or rock the car back and forth with your knees as you try to move shift linkage under the hood by hand. Or jam the clutch pedal to the floor, or have someone hold the clutch pedal on the floor for you (best).

You were probably feeling a lot of resistance sometimes because when a shift is made (engine OFF and car sitting still) the gears have to rotate a bit in order for the teeth to slide and mesh together, but you're trying to force gears into mesh when you try to shift sitting still, because the engine will not rotate and the wheels will not rotate, so the gears are butting teeth sometimes instead of sliding together smoothly (depending on the positions of the teeth that have to slide together).

Once in a while. Not very often IMO.
If your shift lever has full travel left and right in neutral, the corresponding cable should have the same full movement and be ok.

If your shift lever moves through the other 4 forward gears and reverse ok, the other cable for fore-aft movement should be ok.

That leaves 5th gear that grinds, and that's not likely to be a cable issue....because the two cables were just proven they can move plenty far enough to reach 5th.


Engine OFF, can you shift it into 5th? (if all the gear teeth have been ground off, it may not be able to go)


I think your trans needs to come out and split apart. 5th gear and its slider/hub assembly are probably worn out or maybe the blocker ring cracked, along with checking the rest of the usual inspections like fork wear and whatnot....

Bigger question has to be, what caused 5th gear to be ruined?
Was it the fault of the split pivot ball?
Someone missed a shift?-----jammed it from 2nd to 5th with a lot of force on accident, that can crack the ring

310civicEX

this seems to be pretty complex.. in my laimans (?) terms i can use 3 examples of shifting.. 1. cable disconnected it goes into 5th and reverse perfect just by manually moving the linkage on the trans case... 2. shift cable connected at the trans i can pull the cables and get the same result as pulling levers directly.."unless cable is in a certain position it binds and difficult to shift.. 3 everything connected "pivot ball super glued and no split" reverse binds and tremendous strain on pivot ball..

also when i put in reverse manually without cable or shifter hooked up it goes in reverse easy and i can let off clutch and roll back. the 5th grinding was also a symptom of that same binding.. and since it doesnt separate anymore 5th appears to be fine now.. i really need to get under there and see if i kinked up the cable or something.. i wonder would it be ok to lube the cable up ?

Slumpertcivic

Very possible one or more strands broke inside the sleeve and bind up in just a certain way.
Also possible you ran over something that crushed/kinked the cable a little.

First I would rotate the outer sheath 180 degrees, test for any change in resistance then I would consider trying to regrease the cable, they are not cheap.

Based on what you said though, a new cable would likely make your shifts feel sexy again.