no idea if this is a good set up or not
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 
no idea if this is a good set up or not
okay so if i buy this it will be my first civic... 89 civic dx hatch this is the kijiji add... i offered him 750 and going to puck it up tomorrow if i get some feedback off this site http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...AdIdZ243947332
Exact specs on car:
99-00 civic motor D16Y7 (100-110,000 kms)
Mitsu 14B turbo (good for 17 psi)
DSM 440 cc injectors
Turbosmart boost controller
Innovative motorsports Wideband A/F gauge
DSM blow off valve
88-91 Civic SI tranny, works well has no grinds.
Fairly new front tires (195's)
Skunk2 street coilovers(not cheap slip ons)
Exact specs on car:
99-00 civic motor D16Y7 (100-110,000 kms)
Mitsu 14B turbo (good for 17 psi)
DSM 440 cc injectors
Turbosmart boost controller
Innovative motorsports Wideband A/F gauge
DSM blow off valve
88-91 Civic SI tranny, works well has no grinds.
Fairly new front tires (195's)
Skunk2 street coilovers(not cheap slip ons)
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 
Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
I wouldn't run any boost on that motor without giving it a serious mechanical inspection first, get everything in good shape and then it would probably handle 5-8psi but no more. Otherwise, you get what you get for $750..
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
the guy said he has ran 12 psi.... turbo is good for 17 psi... and the engine is out of a 2000 civic... rough estimate how much would it be for forged pistons, better crank bearings... the whole rolling gear set up in the engine and everything for it to handle the 17 pounds of boost? thanks for the reply... honestly im an s-10 guy myself... i was thinking of just buying the car for the turbo for my 98 s-10 and custom it for my truck... the guy says he estimates the care to be around 180 rwhp
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
If the guy was running a stock engine at 12psi the internals are probably all junk by now, without forged internals 8psi is pretty much as high as you can go without causing damage. Starting to build the internals to handle boost would easily cost a minimum of two thousand, but you could easily spend several times that.
If you want to swap the set-up onto your s-10 look into the specific parts, but I doubt it would be worthwhile.
It looks like a great deal on the surface, but I wouldn't touch it.
If you want to swap the set-up onto your s-10 look into the specific parts, but I doubt it would be worthwhile.
It looks like a great deal on the surface, but I wouldn't touch it.
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
It kinda comes down to the old rule about buying modified cars, don't.
The Mitsu 14b turbo came on 1st gen eclipses and talons I think, so its not the most valuable piece. For an OEM turbo its in pretty good though. The whole turbo set-up is less than $1000 new..
The usual problem with boost is that it just wears everything down way faster than normal, but it is a Honda motor so if the compression test are all good the motor should be okay. I would also be asking if he had it professionally tuned, tune is key when turbo'd.
The Mitsu 14b turbo came on 1st gen eclipses and talons I think, so its not the most valuable piece. For an OEM turbo its in pretty good though. The whole turbo set-up is less than $1000 new..
The usual problem with boost is that it just wears everything down way faster than normal, but it is a Honda motor so if the compression test are all good the motor should be okay. I would also be asking if he had it professionally tuned, tune is key when turbo'd.
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
9.4:1 is the stock compression ratio on the d16y7.
Since the car is turbo'd, you should be focused on all 4 cylinders having the same reading.
Since the car is turbo'd, you should be focused on all 4 cylinders having the same reading.
Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
It's probably been beat up pretty bad. I'd find an OEM civic for 750 dollars and buy that instead. This car will be a project that will turn out costing you thousands. The problem with turbo is 75% of people dont do it properly.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
bought the car... runs awesome... if i could get my dad out of the shop i could check the compression.... wicked power.. car does 200km\h easy... only thing is someone was tailgating me with their brights on tonight so i floored it hit 200 lost him... then slowed down to about 110 and heard a clunk and now i have no boost? guy i bought it from said he knew what he was doing and the guys that helped him knew what they were doing.... so he said to check the vaccum lines or check the arm between the wastegate and wastegate actuator... anything else it could be....? turbo isn't blown doesn't smoke... the clunk sounded like something either broke or fell off and bounced under the floor... could have been ice... i looked up and down the road and only found ice
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
$200 or so for the ball joints and tie rod ends, those are both pretty important fixes since if they fail you loose the ability to steer lol. You'll need an alignment after replacing those parts.
Not sure about the clunk, when you hit the gas the boost spooled up really high and maxed so out you probably blew something out. If it were a vacuum line your car wouldn't be running well at all, so the guy was no where near right suggesting that.. Any symptoms other than no boost?
Not sure about the clunk, when you hit the gas the boost spooled up really high and maxed so out you probably blew something out. If it were a vacuum line your car wouldn't be running well at all, so the guy was no where near right suggesting that.. Any symptoms other than no boost?
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,177
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
Oh, god...
"new" used modified car, and you floor it with a unknown turbo kit... and just because someone was coming behind you... 200 kph... and you believe the guy "believes" he knows what he was doing, against all the advice from the forum members...
good luck and get some brains... they are what did clunk in the floor of your car when you floored the throttle...
"new" used modified car, and you floor it with a unknown turbo kit... and just because someone was coming behind you... 200 kph... and you believe the guy "believes" he knows what he was doing, against all the advice from the forum members...
good luck and get some brains... they are what did clunk in the floor of your car when you floored the throttle...
Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
I don't advise going 200km/h EVER. It's a good way to get yourself killed especially if you think you have failed ball joints. The turbo thing, I have no idea.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
$200 or so for the ball joints and tie rod ends, those are both pretty important fixes since if they fail you loose the ability to steer lol. You'll need an alignment after replacing those parts.
Not sure about the clunk, when you hit the gas the boost spooled up really high and maxed so out you probably blew something out. If it were a vacuum line your car wouldn't be running well at all, so the guy was no where near right suggesting that.. Any symptoms other than no boost?
Not sure about the clunk, when you hit the gas the boost spooled up really high and maxed so out you probably blew something out. If it were a vacuum line your car wouldn't be running well at all, so the guy was no where near right suggesting that.. Any symptoms other than no boost?
Last edited by civicnewb; Dec 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
Oh, god...
"new" used modified car, and you floor it with a unknown turbo kit... and just because someone was coming behind you... 200 kph... and you believe the guy "believes" he knows what he was doing, against all the advice from the forum members...
good luck and get some brains... they are what did clunk in the floor of your car when you floored the throttle...
"new" used modified car, and you floor it with a unknown turbo kit... and just because someone was coming behind you... 200 kph... and you believe the guy "believes" he knows what he was doing, against all the advice from the forum members...
good luck and get some brains... they are what did clunk in the floor of your car when you floored the throttle...
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,177
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
just saying to go easy until you get to know the car better and know what could fail. the appearance of the car does not inspire confidence...
If you have relatives than can help you to get it together try there first, very hard to tell from far away, unfortunately without much info.
You will likely need better fuel control system - it was not listed.
strong internals (can be stock depending on boost level) and fuel control are a must when boosting.
Wait also for somebody that have actually a turbo to chime in.
If you have relatives than can help you to get it together try there first, very hard to tell from far away, unfortunately without much info.
You will likely need better fuel control system - it was not listed.
strong internals (can be stock depending on boost level) and fuel control are a must when boosting.
Wait also for somebody that have actually a turbo to chime in.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
the car will be parked for now.... and for the price you gave me on ball joints... i just got a quote for upper lower ball joints inner/outer tir rods for 1000 bucks... and the car will stay parked until i can figure out the turbo problem... there is an exhaust leak above the turbo... not huge but it is there.... would that make me have NO boost at ALL??? i don't understand how i can have boost 1 minute and all of a sudden nothing...
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
As for the 200k/p speeds in a car thats barely road worthy, well thats seriously dangerous your lucky he turbo failed. I had three friends killed street racing, keep it on the track. Take a look at this sticky as well.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...ace-story.html
Last edited by MindBomber; Dec 7, 2010 at 02:12 PM.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
$200 would cover the parts, not the labour. Usually you just need to replace the outer ball joints since they get damaged during lowering job, but on a 19 year old car the inners might be done in which case add another $100 for parts.
As for the 200k/p speeds in a car thats barely road worthy, well thats seriously dangerous your lucky he turbo failed. I had three friends killed street racing, keep it on the track. Take a look at this sticky as well.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...ace-story.html
As for the 200k/p speeds in a car thats barely road worthy, well thats seriously dangerous your lucky he turbo failed. I had three friends killed street racing, keep it on the track. Take a look at this sticky as well.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...ace-story.html
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
$200 would cover the parts, not the labour. Usually you just need to replace the outer ball joints since they get damaged during lowering job, but on a 19 year old car the inners might be done in which case add another $100 for parts.
As for the 200k/p speeds in a car thats barely road worthy, well thats seriously dangerous your lucky he turbo failed. I had three friends killed street racing, keep it on the track. Take a look at this sticky as well.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...ace-story.html
As for the 200k/p speeds in a car thats barely road worthy, well thats seriously dangerous your lucky he turbo failed. I had three friends killed street racing, keep it on the track. Take a look at this sticky as well.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...ace-story.html
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
Haha the problem is you got quotes on replacing the entire control arms!
I just did a quick google search, from a Canadian distributor ball joints are around $25 each. If you need to replace the control arm bushings you can upgrade to poly ones for about $50 and that does both sides.
The control arms are just a chunk of metal, they don't wear out; get a price for the ball joints by themselves. The old ball joints can be pressed out of the arms and new ones pressed back in.
I just did a quick google search, from a Canadian distributor ball joints are around $25 each. If you need to replace the control arm bushings you can upgrade to poly ones for about $50 and that does both sides.
The control arms are just a chunk of metal, they don't wear out; get a price for the ball joints by themselves. The old ball joints can be pressed out of the arms and new ones pressed back in.
Last edited by MindBomber; Dec 7, 2010 at 03:04 PM.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
they said its one piece and you can't just buy the ball joint seperatly.... and another thing... i went to compression test it and i can't seem to find a socket that fits the spark plugs.... how do i get em out...
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
They were horribly wrong.
http://www.autopartsway.ca/autoparts...e%20FWD~241495
You need a spark plug socket 3/8 I believe, I don't think a regular socket would work.
http://www.autopartsway.ca/autoparts...e%20FWD~241495
You need a spark plug socket 3/8 I believe, I don't think a regular socket would work.
Live for the Twisties
Administrator
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,580
Likes: 5
From: Langley, BC
Rep Power: 285 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
Do you planning on driving this hatch till the day you die, and really need the lifetime warranty. Those ones will probably last a 100,000km. That being said I replaced my ball joints with Moog that site doesn't sell them but a few other sites do.
Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
i have a problem with a spark plug.... number 2 cy7linder spark plug is insanely hard to spin.. i got all the others out and they were normal tight... what do i do? and for my readings i got from 1-4 110 psi, plug that won't come out, 125psi, 100psi.... all i need is that one plug to come out... and i think im going to take a picture of the spark plugs and see what you think of them... i don't know if i should force that last plug out or what... fells like someone pul loctite on it
Last edited by civicnewb; Dec 7, 2010 at 03:52 PM.
Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
To me, it sounds like you should have listened to us. You have bought yourself a money pit 
First day of owning it your repair estimate is higher than the cost of the car itself. You don't even have an estimate on how much its going to cost to get your turbo working again.
First day of owning it your repair estimate is higher than the cost of the car itself. You don't even have an estimate on how much its going to cost to get your turbo working again. Thread Starter
Registered!!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0 Re: no idea if this is a good set up or not
for the turbo i found out what that clunk was... a bolt fell out of the turbo that holds it onto the exhaust manifold... that is why i have no boost... so i need a bolt and some work to get the turbo back bolted up... as for that spark plug i don't know that to say.... take it to my uncle and get him to take the head off. i don't know.
