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Old Feb 22, 2004
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umm...noob mistake on my part...my idle is at 700-800...i didn't realize that the first semi-big mark on my tach was for 500 rpms....so its all good...just a little FYI
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umm......i'm curious to this whole talk about a aftermarket pulley possibly messing up the engine. It is also possible that the stock pulley could be unbalanced and could cause vibrations.

Just wanted to throw that up in the air.
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It definately is possible. The stock pulley uses a key way system. Over time, engine stress could warp the key and cause vibration. On some cars, there is a rubber ring between the crank and pulley to dampen vibration. The DH pulley doesn't use a key. It presses on, so the only way it would cause problems would be if it were not balanced.

Does anyone know how the stock setup works? Is the dampener internal, or a rubber ring, or just the pulley itself?
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I have never seen my voltage on my vic to be any higher than 14.1.
It is normally at 13.9 and dips down to 12.0 volts!
No extra subs or amps!


Dam I think I might order it when I get back in town!

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Originally posted by XSRCivic
Ok well here goes with my install of the dual groove pulley. currently its days 2 the only problem i face is incorrect belt size for the alternator. there are two belts one is a 4 notch belt and the other is 6 notch. the 6 goes on first and the 4 goes on second. The 6 groove belt powers the alternator and the 4 groov the power steering. ok here is my progress. i got the pulley on got the powersteering belt to fit perfectly but the alternator belt i am having trouble. no trouble with installing. i just keep getting my measurment wrong. first i bought one that was too big and the belt would slip. next i got one thaty was too small so it wouldnt go on at all. currently a friend of mine is on his way with a new belt that will work because its the only size left. so here goes with the belt sizes you should need...

for sure the belt size on the powersteering is :
Gates #K040390
the actual size of the belt is 14 mm x 1005mm

for the alternator im sure that Kelly Springfield model #350k6 will work that is what is being brought to me in a few. the actual size of that belt is 35 inches and it is 6 notches.

the problem i was having was that i bought the #345k6 which was too small and the #360k6 was too big so buying a 350k6 will work just fine. I'll update the info to make sure that the belt sizes are correct once the belt gets to me.
Just wondering if you confirmed this yet, and why werent you able to get both at autozone or a place like that?
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Old Feb 23, 2004
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As of now, my voltmeter has always stayed around 14.0V with normal driving and system turned on. On very cold days when warming up, I've seen it shoot to 15.5V, then go back down.

I think our cars have something that turns off the alternator if you're not using all the juice. I've noticed the voltmeter go down to around 12V with the system off while driving. Then I turn the fan on or something else and it goes back up to 14+V.
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Well yeah, it's called a computer.. the alternator always needs to supply the car's electronics & stuff with the correct power. The alternator must run at max power sometives even when the car is just idiling. For example have you ever just turned your wheels when you were not moving & the car was idiling,... The rpm increases slightly to provide the alternator the proper energy required to keep the lights bright & stereo on, AC flowin', etc. Burning more gas when the AC & stereo is on while idiling of course. When the alternator is spinning real fast (ie high engine rpm) that sucker can get real hot, dissapating the extra power produced as heat through the metal casing fins!

But do we have a small (compared to the ones on power lines) variable transformer in our cars that lowers the output voltage of the alternator at high rpm so the electronics don't ignight?
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I can't believe all the worries about engine damage. It's a fuggin SOHC paperweight!!!!!! And don't give me any ish about SOHC buildups because hp:dollar it isn't worth it.
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Originally posted by dober
I can't believe all the worries about engine damage. It's a fuggin SOHC paperweight!!!!!! And don't give me any ish about SOHC buildups because hp:dollar it isn't worth it.
tell that to Mr. Bisimoto, because his 12, 11, and 10 sec. single cam non-vtec screamers eats a type S for breakfast. oh and the good thing is, its quite cheap for the performance, unless of course ur a cheapskate or ur broke and cheap to u is a 250 dollar build up 5.0 V8 eater (which is non existent). just because its a single cam doesnt mean its slow, not worth it, and not have any potential.
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Originally posted by dober
And don't give me any ish about SOHC buildups because hp:dollar it isn't worth it.
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was it ever confirmed about the second belt? did it work for the person who was installing it?
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Old Feb 23, 2004
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Why is it that every shop I take this pulley to they are scaired to death of it or dont want to have anything to do with it?
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Old Feb 23, 2004
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Hahaha. People are scared of something they don't understand. And I guess they're covering themselves if something happens to your car as a result. Technically it's considered an aftermarket part, not OEM.
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Originally posted by cdmx
dude, im gonna whip out my breaker bar again to install mine!! hahaha


no way will i want to go through that agony again....im going to rent an impact wrench
I agree 100%. I'm waiting for warm weather again and my friend Billy with the air-wrench. Don't be fooled, without it it's an ASSSSSSSSSSS. Quess I nee to break down and measure my belts. I thought you guys would help! really though, I'm not lazy. I'll find out.
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I'm doing it tomorrow as long as my pulley comes in because my friend and I are installing my header and catback also, so we were going to make and afternoon out of it.
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gearbox Ive taken it to shops that specialize in custom parts not oem and get the same reaction. Or I get this it wont fit
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Originally posted by gearbox
It definately is possible. The stock pulley uses a key way system. Over time, engine stress could warp the key and cause vibration. On some cars, there is a rubber ring between the crank and pulley to dampen vibration. The DH pulley doesn't use a key. It presses on, so the only way it would cause problems would be if it were not balanced.

Does anyone know how the stock setup works? Is the dampener internal, or a rubber ring, or just the pulley itself?
This may not help but I always understood this engine to be interanlly balanced-internally dampened.
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My work was going to do it for 115.00 with no questions asked, and I work at a Nissan dealership. I don't know why you guys are having such a hard time finding a place. My buddy is going to do it for like 40-50 bucks.
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Just wondering if your taking to shops with the instructions, maybe thats why they cant figure it out? but yea that sucks i thought any mechanic could do it as long as they can take off the old and slap this on and but on the new belts.
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I don't understand why shops say it won't fit. I think they are just not experienced enough.
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Thats basically all there is to it. The Honda directions just say to take off the old one with a breaker bar and install the new one. Just take off your driver tire and its right there in your face.
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Originally posted by cwick187
I'm still biased...All the mechanics I have talked to from Honda here is telling me not to install this pulley...Even the master mechanic, ( A good friend) is telling me that it could still cause serious damage to our engines. Maybe everyone I talk to is wrong, but I never have known Joey (Honda master mechanic) to steer me or anyone wrong.
That really reaks if that is true after spending what I have on stuff for this car including the pulley. I really wouldn't want anything to happen. remember though, all the engineers and mechanics that develop and test this car make it this way for a reason and balance it just that way for a reason. we shouldn't mess with it. I am a starting mechanic-5 years experience. It takes a looong time to learn all the symatics of it all, period. This is my first import too. Make a decision I say. Either you will put it on or you won't. I trust 30 years of knowledge both ends. the one who made it for us, and the one who discourages it. We'll see.
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For a shop it shouldnt need instructions I would do it but I have no place to do it or the tools. It is pretty straight forward once you take the driver side wheel off and pull back the splash guard that tank of an oem pully is like bloaw its right there.
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Originally posted by dober
I can't believe all the worries about engine damage. It's a fuggin SOHC paperweight!!!!!! And don't give me any ish about SOHC buildups because hp:dollar it isn't worth it.
Some of us rely on our cars to get us around everyday and are not made of money if it breaks! Not to be a ***** or whatnot but I enjoy tuning my car, but if it goes I'm screwed.
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any conformation on the 2nd belt size ?!?!?
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I looked at Autozone online only to find out the 2nd Part# was wrong. We know this, but the kelly springfield was p# 390k6 for the six groove, the 390k4 also came up though for the 4 groove. I'llfind out soon when I go to puchase them-
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for the powersteering belt, go to any autozone and ask for the kelly-springfield #390k4.

for the alternator belt, go to any pepboys and ask for the dayco #350k6.

the first three digits are the belt size and the number after the k is the number of notches.

hope that helps
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thank you finally now i can go buy these
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^ did you install yours with those 2?
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Originally posted by Crackhead79
Some of us rely on our cars to get us around everyday and are not made of money if it breaks! Not to be a ***** or whatnot but I enjoy tuning my car, but if it goes I'm screwed.
If you are that worried then put down the tools and call it quits. BTW people, you can have the same effect with a lightened flywheel as you would with this pulley. The only difference over stock is less strain on the engine and that is exactly what a lightened flywheel does. I can't wait to see the dyno on this one, 20hp on a D17?
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