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the downpipe fits the Stock LX location. You may need to have some small mods done to your exhaust to make it fit. I cant see it being over $20 (but thats at my shop)
Originally posted by Catalyst
the kit will be for sale for a while, so dont worry. It just goes to $2900 in 9 days, then $3500 when the gb is completely over.
the kit will be for sale for a while, so dont worry. It just goes to $2900 in 9 days, then $3500 when the gb is completely over.
you've got to be kidding me....i'll piece together the same kit for a hell of alot less...lol
it cracks me up how people think the 7th gen civic was the first car to have a returnless fuel system and nobody else has solved this problem for FI applications. anybody with any common sense can figure out how to get around it so don't jack up the price for your ONE OF A KIND fuel system lol.
2700 to 2900 is more than enough for a 60 hp increase!
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Rep Power: 312 can you say a company name that has a fuel system that works like the SF one?
Well, powerdyne tried it, and it never worked. And you are right, it isnt one of a kind, Rolls royce uses a similar design on their jet engines.
Also SFpower isnt jacking up the price. $3500 is the regular price. He is offering it for $2700 for 10 days just to get it out there so people can see how good of quality his work is. And the $2900 price is the normal GB price for the rest of the people who dont have the money at this time. The TD kit is the same price normally, and SF is making his cheaper when it is a higher quality kit with much more potential.
Also about common sense, you should have searched before saying "one of a kind". Because SFpower said it before
And if anyone with common sense can build one, do it.
Well, powerdyne tried it, and it never worked. And you are right, it isnt one of a kind, Rolls royce uses a similar design on their jet engines.
Also SFpower isnt jacking up the price. $3500 is the regular price. He is offering it for $2700 for 10 days just to get it out there so people can see how good of quality his work is. And the $2900 price is the normal GB price for the rest of the people who dont have the money at this time. The TD kit is the same price normally, and SF is making his cheaper when it is a higher quality kit with much more potential.
Also about common sense, you should have searched before saying "one of a kind". Because SFpower said it before
Originally posted by SFpower
the fuel system is my own design it is a pneumatic pressure refrence fuel multiplier much like that used in rolls-roice jet engine just replace the mechanical actuator with a boost refrence diafram
its real easy to install it has fuel in ,fuel out,battery +,battery-,and factory fuel pump wire thats it
the fuel system is my own design it is a pneumatic pressure refrence fuel multiplier much like that used in rolls-roice jet engine just replace the mechanical actuator with a boost refrence diafram
its real easy to install it has fuel in ,fuel out,battery +,battery-,and factory fuel pump wire thats it
Originally posted by SFpower
the fuel cotroller is an interal self reffrencing neumatic fuel modulater put inbetween the fuel line and the fuel rail.it is very simalliar the the fuel controller on the rolls rocie jet enjine used inthe gulfsteam4 excutive jet.the nice thing about using aircraft tecnoligy is it is usaully well tested for reliability and consitancy
the fuel cotroller is an interal self reffrencing neumatic fuel modulater put inbetween the fuel line and the fuel rail.it is very simalliar the the fuel controller on the rolls rocie jet enjine used inthe gulfsteam4 excutive jet.the nice thing about using aircraft tecnoligy is it is usaully well tested for reliability and consitancy
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Rep Power: 312 also, it isnt just for a 60 hp increase. if you combine this kit with pistons, rods, and a good head gasket, you can make tons of power.
The only time it is a 60 hp increase is when it is on an lx that is completely stock, from head to exhaust.
The only time it is a 60 hp increase is when it is on an lx that is completely stock, from head to exhaust.
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can you say a company name that has a fuel system that works like the SF one?
Well, powerdyne tried it, and it never worked. And you are right, it isnt one of a kind, Rolls royce uses a similar design on their jet engines.
Also SFpower isnt jacking up the price. $3500 is the regular price. He is offering it for $2700 for 10 days just to get it out there so people can see how good of quality his work is. And the $2900 price is the normal GB price for the rest of the people who dont have the money at this time. The TD kit is the same price normally, and SF is making his cheaper when it is a higher quality kit with much more potential.
Also about common sense, you should have searched before saying "one of a kind". Because SFpower said it before
And if anyone with common sense can build one, do it.
can you say a company name that has a fuel system that works like the SF one?
Well, powerdyne tried it, and it never worked. And you are right, it isnt one of a kind, Rolls royce uses a similar design on their jet engines.
Also SFpower isnt jacking up the price. $3500 is the regular price. He is offering it for $2700 for 10 days just to get it out there so people can see how good of quality his work is. And the $2900 price is the normal GB price for the rest of the people who dont have the money at this time. The TD kit is the same price normally, and SF is making his cheaper when it is a higher quality kit with much more potential.
Also about common sense, you should have searched before saying "one of a kind". Because SFpower said it before
And if anyone with common sense can build one, do it.
2700 to 2900 is a good price that is all im saying anything more would be too much. I am going to modify my fuel system to add a return line and remove the fuel pump and regulator from the tank I just need to wait till my boy upgrades his stock GSX T25 and sells it to me. I will build my system for under 2000 and it will put out the same if not better gains than you are seeing with the SF power turbo kit. If you think it can't be done look at redvic putting down 219 to the wheels. I'm not questioning SFpower's knowledge or expertise I'm just saying 3500 too much.
Originally posted by Catalyst
also, it isnt just for a 60 hp increase. if you combine this kit with pistons, rods, and a good head gasket, you can make tons of power.
The only time it is a 60 hp increase is when it is on an lx that is completely stock, from head to exhaust.
also, it isnt just for a 60 hp increase. if you combine this kit with pistons, rods, and a good head gasket, you can make tons of power.
The only time it is a 60 hp increase is when it is on an lx that is completely stock, from head to exhaust.
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Rep Power: 312 look at the greddy kits. some of them are upwards of $4000. And that is for the return line system. At cost, it takes more than $450 in parts to make the fuel kit.
http://www.greddy.com/products/turbo_frame.htm
go there and look at the prices. The EX kit is $2000, and it doesnt come with an intercooler. The civic Si kit is $3150, and it doesnt include an intercooler. And to get an intercooler that is of equal size and efficiency, the greddy intercooler kit for the 92-95 civic ex/si is $745. so for the earlier ex, it is now $2745, and for the Si, it is $3900. Since the kit is new, and the fuel kit costs more than an FMU and some vaccume line, the kit will cost a little more. Hence the $3500 price tag.
And as for piecing a kit together, you will never get a kit as nice as this one for cheaper. Look at redvic, i heard that he spent over $8000 canadian for his kit. Would you call that stupid? I dont.
Actually try to put together a quality kit, and see how much it costs. Get all brand new parts, and make everything fit without having to cut the car apart. And make it a complete bolt on (excluding the oil pan). Even into the stock exhaust. And on top of all of that, Powdercoat all of your piping. Then see if you can install it in less than 4 hours.
Once your kit is on your car and running, then tell me how much you paid. And if you did it for less than $2000, and it looks nice, and it actually makes some power, i will congratulate you.
Until then, dont mock the prices. Because the prices are under the industry standard.
http://www.greddy.com/products/turbo_frame.htm
go there and look at the prices. The EX kit is $2000, and it doesnt come with an intercooler. The civic Si kit is $3150, and it doesnt include an intercooler. And to get an intercooler that is of equal size and efficiency, the greddy intercooler kit for the 92-95 civic ex/si is $745. so for the earlier ex, it is now $2745, and for the Si, it is $3900. Since the kit is new, and the fuel kit costs more than an FMU and some vaccume line, the kit will cost a little more. Hence the $3500 price tag.
And as for piecing a kit together, you will never get a kit as nice as this one for cheaper. Look at redvic, i heard that he spent over $8000 canadian for his kit. Would you call that stupid? I dont.
Actually try to put together a quality kit, and see how much it costs. Get all brand new parts, and make everything fit without having to cut the car apart. And make it a complete bolt on (excluding the oil pan). Even into the stock exhaust. And on top of all of that, Powdercoat all of your piping. Then see if you can install it in less than 4 hours.
Once your kit is on your car and running, then tell me how much you paid. And if you did it for less than $2000, and it looks nice, and it actually makes some power, i will congratulate you.
Until then, dont mock the prices. Because the prices are under the industry standard.
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im not going to argue whether his kit is of similar quality to a greddy kit cause we both know that they spend much more r&d time before releasing a kit.
if he spent 8,000 canadian then it's only half that american which is still less than the other guy spent for 197whp (RiceBurner something or other). the only reason either of them spent that much is because they went custom and had the shop spend the time to research the platform.
i just wanted to make the point that a kit that puts out the same results can be put together for much less than 3500 if the person that does it knows what he/she is doing. you don't need brand new parts to make the same power.
i can get a used T25 DSM turbo for $100, a turbo performance manifold for $350 (redvic has this), and a new intercooler at cost and still be under $1100. let's go with your $450 for the return fuel system parts at cost...i'm still only around $1550. the rest ( at cost) is not going to amount to over $2000 so tell me how i will not be able to make that power with less than $2000.
if he spent 8,000 canadian then it's only half that american which is still less than the other guy spent for 197whp (RiceBurner something or other). the only reason either of them spent that much is because they went custom and had the shop spend the time to research the platform.
i just wanted to make the point that a kit that puts out the same results can be put together for much less than 3500 if the person that does it knows what he/she is doing. you don't need brand new parts to make the same power.
i can get a used T25 DSM turbo for $100, a turbo performance manifold for $350 (redvic has this), and a new intercooler at cost and still be under $1100. let's go with your $450 for the return fuel system parts at cost...i'm still only around $1550. the rest ( at cost) is not going to amount to over $2000 so tell me how i will not be able to make that power with less than $2000.
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Rep Power: 312 do you know how to make the fuel kit? Because if you dont, you will have to find something else out for the fuel. I doubt that you will find someone to do a return line system for cheap. It is quite a bit of work. And quite a few parts. Then the labor will be expensive. And the tuning will be harder.
The turbo performance manifold is no where near the quality of the SF one. I had a TP manifold, and it sucked. I got rid of it for $50. Look back at the Turbo Performance thread. Everyone who had one said that it was cheesy quality.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
theres the thread.
both riceburnerEX and redvic said that they would never purchase anything from them ever again.
I am not saying that you cannot piece together a kit for under $2000. I know that it can be done. But it just will not be as reliable, easy to install, or as good of quality as the kit that is being sold for $2700 right now.
And this kit is good for over 300 hp (tested). We know that if you build your engine, you can make over 300whp with this kit. That is something you cannot do with a t25. I dont care if it is a badass big 16g with portwork. It just doesnt flow enough CFM. Ask the DSM people, the ones that actually make power are the ones with the T3 or T3/T4 conversions.
The turbo performance manifold is no where near the quality of the SF one. I had a TP manifold, and it sucked. I got rid of it for $50. Look back at the Turbo Performance thread. Everyone who had one said that it was cheesy quality.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1
theres the thread.
both riceburnerEX and redvic said that they would never purchase anything from them ever again.
I am not saying that you cannot piece together a kit for under $2000. I know that it can be done. But it just will not be as reliable, easy to install, or as good of quality as the kit that is being sold for $2700 right now.
And this kit is good for over 300 hp (tested). We know that if you build your engine, you can make over 300whp with this kit. That is something you cannot do with a t25. I dont care if it is a badass big 16g with portwork. It just doesnt flow enough CFM. Ask the DSM people, the ones that actually make power are the ones with the T3 or T3/T4 conversions.
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Rep Power: 312 i hope you have good luck with your kit. But i am warning you..... if you use used parts, it is one hell of a risk on a new car. I had used parts on my CRX, and it had all kinds of problems until i got all new stuff.
im talking about making the same power you are making for a hell of alot less...lets face it whoever buys your kit is buying it because thay dont have the knowledge to piece together a custom kit and they are not going to build their engine for 300hp.
i can still get a quality manifold from revhard at cost and still be right around $2000.
i can still get a quality manifold from revhard at cost and still be right around $2000.
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i hope you have good luck with your kit. But i am warning you..... if you use used parts, it is one hell of a risk on a new car. I had used parts on my CRX, and it had all kinds of problems until i got all new stuff.
i hope you have good luck with your kit. But i am warning you..... if you use used parts, it is one hell of a risk on a new car. I had used parts on my CRX, and it had all kinds of problems until i got all new stuff.
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Rep Power: 312 i am sure you can. Just be careful with used parts. I had a bad experiance with them.
But the entire reason for this kit is so people who dont know how to do all of this can have a quality kit. And it is an easy install. Many people who do buy this kit will build their engine. The person who financed SFpowers r&d has a build EX engine that he is using SF's air to water setup. His car is going to be fast. and so far 1/2 the people who have already paid for the kit are building their engine.
I have no doubt that you can piece together a kit to make 170 hp. But that isnt all the SF kit is. The SF kit is an easy to install kit that has the capability of 350 whp. That is why is has the price it has.
I am sorry that this argument went off of the topic a bit, but that is the answer to the question about why the normal price is $3500.
Dont even worry about that price. Right now the kit is $2700.
But the entire reason for this kit is so people who dont know how to do all of this can have a quality kit. And it is an easy install. Many people who do buy this kit will build their engine. The person who financed SFpowers r&d has a build EX engine that he is using SF's air to water setup. His car is going to be fast. and so far 1/2 the people who have already paid for the kit are building their engine.
I have no doubt that you can piece together a kit to make 170 hp. But that isnt all the SF kit is. The SF kit is an easy to install kit that has the capability of 350 whp. That is why is has the price it has.
I am sorry that this argument went off of the topic a bit, but that is the answer to the question about why the normal price is $3500.
Dont even worry about that price. Right now the kit is $2700.
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Rep Power: 0 a couple of my homies peiced their own turbo kits together from parts... they thought like you... they estimated the price at $1800... in the end they actually spent more than 3-4 thousand dollars and that's with a major discount.... trust me.... not only will it save you time and headaches, it'll also save you money in the end....
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
The 7th gen civic has been talked down since the beginning, believe me i know i have a 2001 EX. Therefore, no company would go near the car because it was deemed a slug. That is why none of the major companys (greddy, HKS) bothered to R&D a kit to bring to market.
The 7th gen civic has been talked down since the beginning, believe me i know i have a 2001 EX. Therefore, no company would go near the car because it was deemed a slug. That is why none of the major companys (greddy, HKS) bothered to R&D a kit to bring to market.
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Actually you're wrong. HKS has done R&D and given up except for the manifold due to the difficulties of our fuel system and the time and cost it would take to solve the problem. Get your facts straight. SF Power has done what HKS has even given up on. Even $3500 is a good price.
Actually you're wrong. HKS has done R&D and given up except for the manifold due to the difficulties of our fuel system and the time and cost it would take to solve the problem. Get your facts straight. SF Power has done what HKS has even given up on. Even $3500 is a good price.
If you don't like what you see, why don't you f**k off and go post elsewhere. Quite f**king up these guys thread.
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a couple of my homies peiced their own turbo kits together from parts... they thought like you... they estimated the price at $1800... in the end they actually spent more than 3-4 thousand dollars and that's with a major discount.... trust me.... not only will it save you time and headaches, it'll also save you money in the end....
a couple of my homies peiced their own turbo kits together from parts... they thought like you... they estimated the price at $1800... in the end they actually spent more than 3-4 thousand dollars and that's with a major discount.... trust me.... not only will it save you time and headaches, it'll also save you money in the end....
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Rep Power: 0 Who the f**k are you calling a newb? Are you kidding me? Did that make your d**k fill bigger by calling me that. Well if it did I'm glad I could make your day. Your arguments are crap. They don't sell kits out there with all that the SF kit includes for anywhere near this price. Believe me I've looked, and kits that are out there for all kinds of car. Yeah of course you can build your own kit with unwarrantied used parts for cheaper. Thats fine. There is no comparison when comparing new and used. You can't because one is used parts and one is new. Hey when you've built your kit with all new parts and its cheaper and out performs the SF kit come back and talk. Time on this forum doesn't mean sh*t. Anyone can go to howstuffworks.com and quote how a turbo works and say they can build their own. Back your sh*t up. Untill then get a life, quite f**king up this thread, and go find somewhere else to make your d**k feel bigger.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
HKS strung everyone along for how long with no good news? Who knows if they were even working on a damn kit. They were trying to make it carb legal and they couldnt, is SF powers's kit carb legal? didnt think so.
HKS strung everyone along for how long with no good news? Who knows if they were even working on a damn kit. They were trying to make it carb legal and they couldnt, is SF powers's kit carb legal? didnt think so.
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Rep Power: 0 the sf kit is eventually going to be carb legal... the truth of the matter is... you can get a carb sticker fairly easily... just stick it on and if you get pulled over just show the cop the carb sticker... no big deal...
sf kit comes with warrenties on their parts AND these are all new parts.... sf also spent a lot of time with the R&D on this kit... i guess you could slap a kit together real quick but imo, i would just save the time and money and just go with sf's kit....
if you ask catalyst, he had another kit before the sf one installed on his car... from what i heard from him, it didn't work nearly as well as sf's....
sf kit comes with warrenties on their parts AND these are all new parts.... sf also spent a lot of time with the R&D on this kit... i guess you could slap a kit together real quick but imo, i would just save the time and money and just go with sf's kit....
if you ask catalyst, he had another kit before the sf one installed on his car... from what i heard from him, it didn't work nearly as well as sf's....
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the sf kit is eventually going to be carb legal... the truth of the matter is... you can get a carb sticker fairly easily... just stick it on and if you get pulled over just show the cop the carb sticker... no big deal...
sf kit comes with warrenties on their parts AND these are all new parts.... sf also spent a lot of time with the R&D on this kit... i guess you could slap a kit together real quick but imo, i would just save the time and money and just go with sf's kit....
if you ask catalyst, he had another kit before the sf one installed on his car... from what i heard from him, it didn't work nearly as well as sf's....
the sf kit is eventually going to be carb legal... the truth of the matter is... you can get a carb sticker fairly easily... just stick it on and if you get pulled over just show the cop the carb sticker... no big deal...
sf kit comes with warrenties on their parts AND these are all new parts.... sf also spent a lot of time with the R&D on this kit... i guess you could slap a kit together real quick but imo, i would just save the time and money and just go with sf's kit....
if you ask catalyst, he had another kit before the sf one installed on his car... from what i heard from him, it didn't work nearly as well as sf's....
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If I had $10,000 I'd get one of these.
http://www.toyomoto.com/is300.htm
If I had $10,000 I'd get one of these.
http://www.toyomoto.com/is300.htm
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This question has been asked before but never answered. I would also like to know if SF turbo can get a different intercooler that would not require cutting of the lower grill. I plan on getting the kit, but won't be boosting that much hence the less need for a big intercooler.
