View Poll Results: Will this matter?
A nice sized T25/T28 like TSI at a similar pice will matter.
32
29.36%
It will not matter.
3
2.75%
Leave the kit as it is, just lower the price.
69
63.30%
Other: Please post what and why...
5
4.59%
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Originally Posted by dezod
I do not want to directly compete with TSI. Simple.
Our budget kit:
T25 or similar turbo, we are explorign options now
HKS manifold
TiAL BOV
Charge Piping
Oil lines
Downpipe
Clamps & Couplers
Bolts
Our budget kit:
T25 or similar turbo, we are explorign options now
HKS manifold
TiAL BOV
Charge Piping
Oil lines
Downpipe
Clamps & Couplers
Bolts
Compared to..
Cost and Parts list:
Normal Price: 2899.00
Optional Parts/Prices:
Ball Bearing Upgrade-T25 Dual BB: 400.00
Ball Bearing Upgrade-T28 Dual BB: 500.00
Fuel System Downgrade (removes all parts from kit): subtract 400.00
Availability: Ready to ship
Items included in kit:
Garrett T25 Turbo w/Wastegate (Internal)
Cast Exhaust Manifold
Chrome Heat Shield
Downpipe w/Gasket
Map Unit (Black Box)
TSI Blow Off Valve
TSI High Flow Front Mount Intercooler
Polished Aluminum Intercooler Piping
SS Braided lines for Water Cooling
SS Braided Oil Lines
Return Lines and Fittings for Oil Pan
All Hoses and Clamps
All necessary Hardware and Fittings
Generic Install Instructions
Fuel System Option 1:
2 injectors and Interface block
TSI Injection Control Unit w/Turbo Timer
Injector Control System Settings
Fuel System Option 2:
Apexi VAFC II
APEXI Turbo Timer
Boost Gauge
I'd rather go with the TSI kit.
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then go with it? the only thing that stands out is intercooler w/piping but we already decided thats what adds alot of extra cost. Oh and those fuel systms, if you can even call it that, aren't very good at all. was that kit even tested?
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Rep Power: 336 i mean we would get a "discount" when we buy the kit right? i thought the whole point was to have it for cheap. 2900 is not cheapo for a turbo so TSI looses on this.
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Rep Power: 424 While dezod's kit will get you running boost, it IS going to take a little more to get it running well. He's designing it as a "foot in the door" type kit from what I'm gathering. It should be able to boost a couple pounds, but without an intercooler and more fuel, you're going to be severely limited. So by the time all is said and done (not to mention a new clutch), its going to cost you more than you think. Reality is, boost ain't cheap without some friends in the right places, with the right cars to pull used parts from.
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Rep Power: 336 well i have this site. rsx injectors aren't that expensive. i mean there is always someone selling boost application stuff. rsx injectors for 100 bucks VAFC2 for 250, and intercoolers can be ebayed. new clutch can be around 200. but you would need all that for any turbo app. would i really burn my clutch up that fast? i mean i wouldn't launch it every single time...
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Rep Power: 424 Its not dumping the clutch, its the extra torque you put on it. It can only grab so hard, and if you throw 30 or 40 more ft-lbs at it, its going to get hotter, as it gets hotter it won't grab as well and it'll also start to wear faster. Sooner or later, its going to just give out and start slipping any time you put your foot down. More holding power and an upgrade compound is going to be needed to successfully do it for a long time.
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
Its not dumping the clutch, its the extra torque you put on it. It can only grab so hard, and if you throw 30 or 40 more ft-lbs at it, its going to get hotter, as it gets hotter it won't grab as well and it'll also start to wear faster. Sooner or later, its going to just give out and start slipping any time you put your foot down. More holding power and an upgrade compound is going to be needed to successfully do it for a long time.
With ecno Dezod kit at 4psi, stock clutch is not the issue. As per older posts it claimed to hold about 200tq.
On a budget with low boost, no need to worry.
hmmm ill throw in my .02
people who have never had a part (tsi kit) shouldnt say it sucks or its unreliable. many people have the tsi kit running perfect and strong for a long time. you cant say it has crappy fuel system because anything is better than nothing. if you go for a intercooler for dezods kit it wont be so simple as to just buy one, youll then need new charge piping custom fabricated also. plus you guys will run into money/problems if the plumbing isnt included. plus last i checked that kit was on sale for 2500 or sumthin.
so cost per part/readiness to install and go when comparing the two tsi is probably better.
however the reason to buy dezods kit is his great customer service and support. if there is a problem i gaurantee he will probably have a solution faster than any other company would return a phone call. plus im sure youll be able to keep the cost of the kit down to 2000-2200 by not buying anything else if you keep it to like 4psi. however if your going higher than than that the safest way would cost you some big dough, youll probably want to consider these things if your shooting for like 7-8 psi.(ill try to list bottom of the line for parts for cost effectivenes)
safc-200 bucks on ebay probably.
k20a2-a3 injectors- 50-100 bucks used
missing link - (i think it was like 60 bucks i dont remember)
mechanical boost controller- 90 bucks ive seen them for on ebay.
turbo timer (should get this no matter how many psi)- 100
you could decide you dont need some of these or maybe you tihink you want more.
so for everyone here who is saying they want a cheap low boost kit go with dezod, it will be perfect for what you want and dezod is a great company with a good person behind it. but if your buying it as a stepping stone hoping to go bigger and bigger expect to spend some money.
as dezod said earlier "i am not trying to compete directly with tsi's kit" so the two kits shouldnt be compared in the same category.( i know im contradicting myself because i just compared them, i was hoping to maybe end this little argument in dezods thread.)
people who have never had a part (tsi kit) shouldnt say it sucks or its unreliable. many people have the tsi kit running perfect and strong for a long time. you cant say it has crappy fuel system because anything is better than nothing. if you go for a intercooler for dezods kit it wont be so simple as to just buy one, youll then need new charge piping custom fabricated also. plus you guys will run into money/problems if the plumbing isnt included. plus last i checked that kit was on sale for 2500 or sumthin.
so cost per part/readiness to install and go when comparing the two tsi is probably better.
however the reason to buy dezods kit is his great customer service and support. if there is a problem i gaurantee he will probably have a solution faster than any other company would return a phone call. plus im sure youll be able to keep the cost of the kit down to 2000-2200 by not buying anything else if you keep it to like 4psi. however if your going higher than than that the safest way would cost you some big dough, youll probably want to consider these things if your shooting for like 7-8 psi.(ill try to list bottom of the line for parts for cost effectivenes)
safc-200 bucks on ebay probably.
k20a2-a3 injectors- 50-100 bucks used
missing link - (i think it was like 60 bucks i dont remember)
mechanical boost controller- 90 bucks ive seen them for on ebay.
turbo timer (should get this no matter how many psi)- 100
you could decide you dont need some of these or maybe you tihink you want more.
so for everyone here who is saying they want a cheap low boost kit go with dezod, it will be perfect for what you want and dezod is a great company with a good person behind it. but if your buying it as a stepping stone hoping to go bigger and bigger expect to spend some money.
as dezod said earlier "i am not trying to compete directly with tsi's kit" so the two kits shouldnt be compared in the same category.( i know im contradicting myself because i just compared them, i was hoping to maybe end this little argument in dezods thread.)
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^^Agree, no need to build a kit from scratch for $300 less then existing kit, it wouldnt sell.
Sad but true, sorry, yes, *** kits (another brand of T.KITS) may be hard to install and have only adecuate customer service (i've used it 2-3 times), but they sell them for $2600-2800 everything included for 6-8 psi.
Unless there is significant difference in price, $600 or so (from dezod ot tsi kit), econo kit will collect dust on the shelf.
Here you go, basic kits for older hondas, ready to be bolted and push 4psi or so:
http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/t...or_turbo_kits/ (never neard of this brand, but..)
Sell for $1600-1800....With gen7 differnet fuel system set up, Dezod kit should be sold at no more then $2100...
P.S. Unfourtunately, when it comes to "tight budget" or "cant spend this much" - customer service or 100% satisfaction with product play little differense if any. That is why all Toyota, Honda dont own 100% of car market
Price is the KEY to big sales.
lets move on past the TSI comparison, shall we....
^^Agree, no need to build a kit from scratch for $300 less then existing kit, it wouldnt sell.
Sad but true, sorry, yes, *** kits (another brand of T.KITS) may be hard to install and have only adecuate customer service (i've used it 2-3 times), but they sell them for $2600-2800 everything included for 6-8 psi.
Unless there is significant difference in price, $600 or so (from dezod ot tsi kit), econo kit will collect dust on the shelf.
Here you go, basic kits for older hondas, ready to be bolted and push 4psi or so:
http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/t...or_turbo_kits/ (never neard of this brand, but..)
Sell for $1600-1800....With gen7 differnet fuel system set up, Dezod kit should be sold at no more then $2100...
P.S. Unfourtunately, when it comes to "tight budget" or "cant spend this much" - customer service or 100% satisfaction with product play little differense if any. That is why all Toyota, Honda dont own 100% of car market
Price is the KEY to big sales.
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yeah i aggree with you guys in the fact that in order for dezods kit to sell it must run at least 4 psi and not cost more then 2100 dollars. but i would much rather trust my 14,000$ dollar car in the hands of dezod. dezod i hope you can get this kit put together for cheap so we can get it for cheap 
after all money talks right.
all the talk in the world doesnt mean anything if you cant get us the product
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Originally Posted by 04|5spdCivic
yeah i aggree with you guys in the fact that in order for dezods kit to sell it must run at least 4 psi and not cost more then 2100 dollars. but i would much rather trust my 14,000$ dollar car in the hands of dezod. dezod i hope you can get this kit put together for cheap so we can get it for cheap
after all money talks right. all the talk in the world doesnt mean anything if you cant get us the product
after all money talks right.
all the talk in the world doesnt mean anything if you cant get us the product Is it proven we can run 4-5 psi without an intercooler? It just doesn't sound safe to me.. Overheating is one of the worst things that can happen to a car. I'm sure all of you have heard that numerous times in engine class.
Originally Posted by 03-Acura-1.7-EL
** Sorry, I started typing my post before appeared**
^^Agree, no need to build a kit from scratch for $300 less then existing kit, it wouldnt sell.
Sad but true, sorry, yes, *** kits (another brand of T.KITS) may be hard to install and have only adecuate customer service (i've used it 2-3 times), but they sell them for $2600-2800 everything included for 6-8 psi.
Unless there is significant difference in price, $600 or so (from dezod ot tsi kit), econo kit will collect dust on the shelf.
Here you go, basic kits for older hondas, ready to be bolted and push 4psi or so:
http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/t...or_turbo_kits/ (never neard of this brand, but..)
Sell for $1600-1800....With gen7 differnet fuel system set up, Dezod kit should be sold at no more then $2100...
P.S. Unfourtunately, when it comes to "tight budget" or "cant spend this much" - customer service or 100% satisfaction with product play little differense if any. That is why all Toyota, Honda dont own 100% of car market
Price is the KEY to big sales.
^^Agree, no need to build a kit from scratch for $300 less then existing kit, it wouldnt sell.
Sad but true, sorry, yes, *** kits (another brand of T.KITS) may be hard to install and have only adecuate customer service (i've used it 2-3 times), but they sell them for $2600-2800 everything included for 6-8 psi.
Unless there is significant difference in price, $600 or so (from dezod ot tsi kit), econo kit will collect dust on the shelf.
Here you go, basic kits for older hondas, ready to be bolted and push 4psi or so:
http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/t...or_turbo_kits/ (never neard of this brand, but..)
Sell for $1600-1800....With gen7 differnet fuel system set up, Dezod kit should be sold at no more then $2100...
P.S. Unfourtunately, when it comes to "tight budget" or "cant spend this much" - customer service or 100% satisfaction with product play little differense if any. That is why all Toyota, Honda dont own 100% of car market
Price is the KEY to big sales.
Originally Posted by ***** Fn FBM 85
Is it proven we can run 4-5 psi without an intercooler? It just doesn't sound safe to me.. Overheating is one of the worst things that can happen to a car. I'm sure all of you have heard that numerous times in engine class.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
wondering what max psi on the t25 would be. little help. would there be a fuel return setup? if so why or why not.
I don't think you need a return. It would seem that RSX 310's and an E-manage would give it enough gas.
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Rep Power: 811 also remember that as the boost goes up, so do the problems. be prepared for new clutch, blown headgasket (possibly), and more frequent maintenance to name a few. Also you may want to consider a return setup for that much around 8-10. for low boost, there's no point.
yes boilermaker you can run that turbo much higher than a stock motor can handle. i believe that on a t25 .48 trim the highest safely boosted was 10-12psi.max psi on a t25 is definately more than 12.
a returnless system isnt nescessary even at 10-12psi it would be nice though.
you wont get a blown head gasket unless you dont get a good tune (engine isnt running right, i.e. preignition and detonation) some people are on here with 10psi on t25's running perfect (cheap simple solution is arp studs.)
again emanage and rsx injectors are perfectly fine, good enough to tune the car to run fine at these levels of boost also.
majinb if you plan on getting an intercooler that means you need to get new piping fabbed up that will cost money, i believe people have been qouted 500, give or take a hundred.
a returnless system isnt nescessary even at 10-12psi it would be nice though.
you wont get a blown head gasket unless you dont get a good tune (engine isnt running right, i.e. preignition and detonation) some people are on here with 10psi on t25's running perfect (cheap simple solution is arp studs.)
again emanage and rsx injectors are perfectly fine, good enough to tune the car to run fine at these levels of boost also.
majinb if you plan on getting an intercooler that means you need to get new piping fabbed up that will cost money, i believe people have been qouted 500, give or take a hundred.
talk is cheap, and bullsh!t walks......or something like that....
either way, I have not been boosted before, but I have heard more bad than good in regards to TSI, both their kit and customer service. whereas i've heard nothing but good from members on this board about dezod and their products/services. If good customer service and the simple piece of mind that he can/will answer my questions if i have a problem (which i'm sure i will) costs me a few more ducks...then so be it...i'll wait for the finished project and eventually be happy with my ride..no sense rushing it, i got a couple more years worth of payments left....
just my .02
either way, I have not been boosted before, but I have heard more bad than good in regards to TSI, both their kit and customer service. whereas i've heard nothing but good from members on this board about dezod and their products/services. If good customer service and the simple piece of mind that he can/will answer my questions if i have a problem (which i'm sure i will) costs me a few more ducks...then so be it...i'll wait for the finished project and eventually be happy with my ride..no sense rushing it, i got a couple more years worth of payments left....
just my .02
no kit is bad, the only thing that can make a kit bad is faulty installation or disregard for nescesary steps to be taken such as a proper tune and taking care of the car as always, i gaurantee 80% of negative things regarding problems stem from faulty installation, its not like any company would sell a broken turbo or something. as for the company i guess customer service probably sucks, either way it will be nothing compared to how good dezod will take care of ya, but anything is better than how the SF kits came out when considering service and all.
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Rep Power: 0 Well guys like I said earlier, we are trying to offer a 'foot in the door' kit, as someone mentioned earlier. This will deliver the bare essentials to you to get boosted at a relatively cheap price.
