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Old Jun 1, 2023
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Re: DIY: Checking Engine Timing

New belt or new belt tensioner? Why can't either just be reused in my situation?
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Re: DIY: Checking Engine Timing

Do you really want to gamble an engine on a couple of relatively cheap parts?
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Re: DIY: Checking Engine Timing

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Do you really want to gamble an engine on a couple of relatively cheap parts?
they are brand new. ?
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

Thoughts? Looks off by a click but bifocals can play tricks on depth perceptions. What would make it move ? It was dead on and I used the Honda crank tool to set the harmonic balancer and crank bolt. I didn't see it walk. Do I really need a new tensioner / belt to get it realigned?



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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

I usually find it easiest to set the cam at TDC then look at the crank alignment. Appears to be off a tooth based on the pictures. If you just replaced the belt/tensioner, you can reuse.
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Re: DIY: Checking Engine Timing

Then reuse them.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

So I am looking at taking all the covers off the belt off the tensioner off then doin the dance 💃 do I sacrifice a chicken b4 or after ?
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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So I am looking at taking all the covers off the belt off the tensioner off then doin the dance 💃 do I sacrifice a chicken b4 or after ?

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Re: Trying to get things sorted.


That is aligned no tensioner

Looks rite to me

Off?

The key doesnt line up though. Car is getting ready to participate in a viking burial. And yes the oil pump mark is spot on.



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Close enuf ? Cam didn't move. Damn thats a hard assed photo to take
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

I always used a flashlight to cast the shadow of the alignment notch and arrow onto the crank pulley to line it all up.



How close is that notch to the pulley? Looks a lot closer than I remember.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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I always used a flashlight to cast the shadow of the alignment notch and arrow onto the crank pulley to line it all up.



How close is that notch to the pulley? Looks a lot closer than I remember.
how close ? The notch is on the belt cover.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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Install timing belt, do the rotation thing, figure the timing marks are "close enough". Start car, hard starting and ran like **** with no codes. Drove around with noticeable lack of power and warm fuzzy driving it down the street. Park car in driveway, recheck timing. Marks was off from the indicator on the timing belt cover by about the width of a cam gear.. nub.. Set block to TDC, took it apart, carefully adjusted cam gear to proper TDC (read long *** breaker bar to have better control of the torque applied), reinstalled timing belt, spinny spinny on the crank, checked timing marks. Rinsed and repeated 3 times out of paranoia. Pulling grenade pine was involved somewhere in there. Everything checked out. Started it up and she purred like a kitten.
I worked all night on it literally. Runs worse now. Question; after 2 rotations of the oil pump gear and alignment with the arrow on the block. The camshaft marks are close but never spot on. So then I put the balancer on and that is off as well as far as it aligning with timing belt cover sight V. Shouldn't the oil gear mark camshaft marks and the balancer mark all be TDC?
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

Cmon guys I am totally freaking mystified on what I am doing wrong or their is internal damage that wasn't there before.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

After the 2 rotation thing / dance should I crank until I am back at TDC? Then set the balancer and belt covers? The silence is amazing 👏
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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After the 2 rotation thing / dance should I crank until I am back at TDC? Then set the balancer and belt covers?
After two rotations you should be back at TDC to check the timing marks. That's part of the procedure...

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The silence is amazing 👏
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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The silence is amazing 👏
We all have day jobs/lives outside of here, and we're not paid either, this is all volunteer work.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

well maybe its my imagination but the balancer mark never is at TDC AFTER I put it on. It never has lined up with the timing cover mark sight.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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We all have day jobs/lives outside of here, and we're not paid either, this is all volunteer work.
ok I am sorry. I am retired / disabled. So the internet is my world. 2 days are an eternity to me.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

You should be using the timing mark on the timing belt pulley and block for TDC.


Line the camshaft up at TDC as close as you can, then get pictures of these marks at the crank. If they line up, maybe faulty crankshaft position sensor.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

I've been sick for the last few days, sorry about that. Actually stayed home from work (I'm a dispatch team/office manager for a dispatch/call center that works with a bunch of law enforcement across the US and Italy) because of TMI reasons

Honestly, stick a dowel down #1 cylinder's spark plug hole (I use a sacrificed plastic hanger that I cut the bottom rod out of). Rotate the crank pulley twice and stop it when the dowel is at the height of it's travel, then compare to the cam gear position, then verify with the crank pulley. That way, you have visual of when the block is at TDC
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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Honestly, stick a dowel down #1 cylinder's spark plug hole (I use a sacrificed plastic hanger that I cut the bottom rod out of). Rotate the crank pulley twice and stop it when the dowel is at the height of it's travel, then compare to the cam gear position, then verify with the crank pulley. That way, you have visual of when the block is at TDC
a long screwdriver could work without sacrificing a hanger
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

How far off does this look?



All I did was rotate the crank until the timing mark lined up with the cover sight and to be honest depending on which way you turn your head it does or doesn't. I have been sick as well but I think I am over the sinus allergy crap. To me it doesnt look perfect ,close maybe, but not perfect. I havent sacrifice a hanger yet.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

as long as it is not a tooth difference...
now, your engine really have a lot of gunk in its surfaces...
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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How far off does this look?



All I did was rotate the crank until the timing mark lined up with the cover sight and to be honest depending on which way you turn your head it does or doesn't. I have been sick as well but I think I am over the sinus allergy crap. To me it doesnt look perfect ,close maybe, but not perfect. I havent sacrifice a hanger yet.
send it
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

Cam sensor isn't reading correctly. I get a slight volt drop less than .5v and then it comes back up to 12.5 v
Eng is TDC According to a hanger and all the marks line up.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

Might be the sensor? Fire the bish up and see if she throws a P1361/1362/P034x code

especially now that you did the hanger check, I still say send it.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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Might be the sensor? Fire the bish up and see if she throws a P1361/1362/P034x code

especially now that you did the hanger check, I still say send it.
send what? I am not getting any codes just dashboard lights. The youtube videos on multimeter test of the magnetic sensors just has me chasing my tail and nothing seems definitive. I got all sorts of readings and I actually got nothing at the crankshaft but the multimeter I am using is a bit blinky. So I am just going to replace the 2 sensors with high quality Duralast product, better than Denso!, so I heard. Ill keep you posted.
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

Don't mind me being a dumbass with military/gun world-inspired slang. "Send it" in this case means "if everything is buttoned up, plugged in, and otherwise ready to start the engine, turn that key and see if she purrs"
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Re: Trying to get things sorted.

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Don't mind me being a dumbass with military/gun world-inspired slang. "Send it" in this case means "if everything is buttoned up, plugged in, and otherwise ready to start the engine, turn that key and see if she purrs"
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