D17VTECPOWER

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I never suggested bushings. He asked what I did to my suspension.

sdaidoji

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go see if these guys will get the answer for you

pointless to wonder why the car maker do or not do in a forum that do not have the engineer that designed it.

http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/index.php

https://honda-tech.com/

sdaidoji

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^ it was not clear on your response if you were recommending or not.

poly bushings are a lot of work for very small gains for most drivers.

D17VTECPOWER

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I said I would suggest lowering springs and a rear sway bar. IMO those things were the best value for a suspension upgrade.

ezone

If it melts or welds up and tries to lock itself to the spinning crankshaft, what happens?
If it happened at idle, it might shut the engine off and it's over.....but locking up at idle is as rare as hens teeth.

Whenever an engine destroys itself, 9 times out of 10 it's flying down the road one way or another. At speed, under load, when lube needs are the greatest.

Does that soft little bearing or a little hardened steel dowel pin have enough (strength) to bring all that spinning mass of a (4000+ RPM, 127 fire breathing horsepower) crankshaft, connecting rods, flywheel, clutch or converter, transmission, drivetrain, and complete car to a screeching halt?


Fk no. It's gonna rip something apart, whatever the weakest link is


Go back and reread the last line of the reply from RobertD again

sdaidoji

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https://www.clubcivic.com/forum/thre...talled.188613/

you can see the oil dip stick - use as visual reference. quick search in internet yields answers faster than asking

Hondaman4ever

OK. Thank for the reply, D17vtecpower and sdaidoji.
I will definitely get a sway bar at the very least. I'm just curious to know, since it's the front suspension (Macphersons) in this generation that's to blame for the sub-par handling, how is it that a "remedy" is placed in the rear part of the car ?

BTW, isn't an anti-roll and anti-sway bar the same thing, or do they differ somehow?

sdaidoji

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yes, they are the same, but sway is the wrong word - it defines a different dynamic of the car, but is the most used term in US. just somebody decided that sway is the one, and the others followed. Like when people call the shocks in a double-wishbone suspension a strut - strut refers to structural shocks, which is not the case in a double wishbone suspension - you remove the shocks and the suspension still holds its geometry in a double wishbone suspension, so shocks are not "structural" to the system. Or calling the adjustable height suspension a coilover (a McPherson suspension without the ability to adjust height is still a coil over.)

a lot of car dynamics are related to balance. so changing one end of the car affects the other end. the MacPherson is the root of the issue, so to compensate for that, change the rear. It would not be easy to change the front to a double wishbone, i mean.

Hondaman4ever

OK, sdaidoji. Thanks for the reply and the explanation. I find it really interesting how a fix applied to the rear suspension can actually affect how a car handles even though you'd think it's the front suspension that should be addressed. Physics and the weird way they work.

Also, people spelling it McPherson, when it's actually Macpherson strut.

GolNat

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No it doesn’t interfere with adding or checking oil. Google image search Neuspeed Strut Bar EM2 and check it out. When I had it installed I don’t remember it causing an issue.

GolNat

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Get yourself a good set of summer tires too. They will transform the car very quickly even without an suspension upgrades.

Hondaman4ever

Thanks. Yeah I've read about this a few times already. I think the winter tires that I have on the car are contributing to the bad handling. They feel really hard (on the road) as if they were made of wood and they're too damn noisy too.

Any body can recommend a brand that's quiet and not too pricey ?

Hondaman4ever

Oh. I missed this part of the reply. Only saw the second part of the reply ( if you're on a budget I'd suggest getting a used RSX....).
Do the Energy Suspension bushings help on the front sway bar? Are they hard to install ?

D17VTECPOWER

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I noticed a small improvement in steering response, and they are cheap and easy to install. I think they were about $12, and they took about 20 minutes to install. However, my bushings were worn out, so the improvement was probably from new bushings more than the bushings being poly.

D17VTECPOWER

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Very true. Tires are the most important part of the car. I would check out TireRack's reviews. Far too much to cover in a short post.

xRiCeBoYx

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Neuspeed bar sits damn near against the firewall. The one I sold had rub marks on the backside where it contacted the plastic hood cowling

You do have to bend the clutch fluid reservoir out of the way tho

D17VTECPOWER

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Winter tires, especially crappy ones, will certainly ruin your handling. I'd suggest getting a nice set of tires before any suspension upgrades. I can't remember how wide you can go on stock 6 inch rims, but wider tires will help too. I had 225 tires on my 7 inch rims with no problems. I also found that my steering feels more precise and responsive running a few PSI more air in my tires too.

D17VTECPOWER

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sdaidoji is 100% correct as always. A bigger rear sway bar reduces understeer by changing the balance.

ezone

Water pipe and a welder! Build your own!

sdaidoji

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225 have been reported to rub on fenders, especially at the rear. Depends on tire, wheel, suspension setup, but most cases it will rub

D17VTECPOWER

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Sold. How do I buy it?

D17VTECPOWER

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225 wide tires didn't rub on anything with my setup.

D17VTECPOWER

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Yes, I looked up pictures. It doesn't look like it interferes with getting to anything really.

D17VTECPOWER

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Now that I have ordered a Neuspeed front strut bar, should I get a rear strut bar too? Would I notice any improvements?

sdaidoji

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I explained that on link above, where there are also multiple links to to other threads

GolNat

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This is actually my plan with my Fit possibly lol. Not for a strut tower because of the stupid cowl but maybe a rear sway. Its a solid rear beam but it would be fun to try even if it didn't help much.


Once I find a box I will PM you my PayPal info so you can send the money.

Yes that's right about the clutch resevoir but with a slushbox its ok

D17VTECPOWER

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Ok thank you.

D17VTECPOWER

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Ok, sounds good. Thank you!

xRiCeBoYx

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When I shipped mine, I had to make a box from scrap boxes and lots of packing tape. Just giving you a heads up

GolNat

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Thanks! Maybe I will just focus on that then rather then trying to find one. If I order one for the Fit Ill have a box


Do you still want a rear camber kit as well OP? I know you wanted poly bushings but I dont think they make rear camber arms with poly bushings do they?