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No. I see what you're getting at now. I was trying to come at it from the "free" end. What did you use to trim that piece off? Thanks for the advice.

 
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we used an air hammer... but if you bend back the tab far enough a hack saw works pretty good too.

 
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Thanks. I'll try it this weekend.

 
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The first few pages were so informative this should be sticky. Now I know what's the performance difference between the 19mm rear sway and the larger ones. Thanks.

 
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its hard to show a performance differnece... simply because stiffer is not allways better. But in a quanitative state.. a 22mm rear bar is about 179% stronger then the 19mm bar.

 
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what are the differences in sizes between the 2005 lx sedan and ex? would it be beneficial to go with the ex sway bars?

 
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http://www.sceniccityonline.com/arti...ybarspecs.html

No benefit from EX sway bars.

 
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they work

 
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thanks i guess it was cause i was thinking about doing the lx to ex exhaust conversion and some poeple said the sway bars were different and not fit right, but i guess they are the same size then it shouldnt matter, awesome sight , thanks

 
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The early sway bars were slightly different.

 
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Does the rear sway bar increase unsprung weight on our cars? Cause I was reading an article about the sentra ser and some tuners upgraded the rear bar and it increased unpsrung weight. But I don't think the Nissan has independent rear suspension like us.

 
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bump

 
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on a Sentra, thanks to its Tortion beam rear suspension (Semi independant), an anti-roll bar would add to the unsprung weight... On our cars, only a small portion of the anti-roll bar would be unsprung weight.

 
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The other night, I was driving home a little too fast...and after having applying the brakes sooner than usual to get off the hwy, my car almost lost control in the back. It was kinda weird & scary, but luckily I didn't lose control and everything was fine. I was just wondering though... wouldn't all these suspension upgrades we install on our cars help or somehow improve handling performance when we brake really hard as well? I didn't necessarily felt in control to say the least...I'm just wondering, if the sway bars reduce body roll, why was my car all crazy like that in the back?

 
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um... Something people dont realize or atleast dont think about when tuning their suspensions... The more to the bleeding edge of handling you tune the car, the less stable and less forgiving that car will be to your mistakes. Meaning, the car handles much better then stock, but requires you to drive differently or else its going to bite you in the ***. This is the primary reason why most suspension tuning companys design theri suspensions with inherent understeer :Cough:27mm front anti-roll bar:Cough:

any way on to your issue under braking. Did you initate the turn while under brakes? what condition are your shocks in? Tires? more info please...

 
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No, I wasn't trail braking, it was just a straight line right before getting off the hwy. My tires are new and with the right air pressure, but they are bigger tires than before. Shocks are fine as well as the rest of the suspension mods in the car. I haven't had any issues like this this before, that's why it surprised me so much...

 
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Is your car bouncy on bumps or does it gobble them up and stay stable?

 
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Well, Unstableness under heavy braking could also be an alignment issue, such as if you have any toe out on the rear end. Or it could have been one of those fluke things, were some sand or such was on the road that you didnt see..

 
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Would a bump in the road through it off?

 
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Possibly, any abrupt weight transfer when the cars at its limits (Threashold braking = cars traction limits) will upset/unbalance the car.

 
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So if you suddenly brake hard and not smooth you have more chances of something irradic hapenning?

 
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yes, but that happens with all cars. which is why production cars are built with so much inherent Understeer. simply because when its set up as such, if you do momentarly lose control of the car, its more likely to just go in a straight line rather then spin. not that you cant get an understeer prone car to oversteer/spin. but It takes the right driving technique(if you are trying to), or the wrong set of circumstances(if your not)...

 
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Well, I aligned my car about 6k miles ago. It had warranty for 7k so I'll take advantage of that and redo it, but honestly I don't think it's an alignment problem. The car goes straight whenever I let go of the steering wheel for a few secs.

Yes, it's kinda bouncy, specially now with these bigger tires. I really feel a diference now, pro: ride is way more confortable and I feel the road a lot less. con: It doesn't handle as sharp on turns as with the previous tires. Now that I know the diferent feeling from the tires, I'd prefer handling over confort any day. I'm not dissapointed about these new tires, but I definately liked the other ones better.

 
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lets say I'm driving and my tail end begins to brake loose and I don't feel comfortable with the tail end being loose should I just push more on the throttle and straitghen my wheels? Would that help re-plant the tail end?

 
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Ok...so let me ask this...what about if you don't have time to give it some gas to stable the car? Can you stable it while braking??

 
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Nindoo, Typically adding throttle will settle the car down, however there will be a terminal point where adding throttle will simply not be enough, that point of no return... where adding throttle simply reduces the total amount of oversteer your experiancing... Hopefully you wont be drivnig at that level on the street.


cubanmike26; If your not turning, you could probably save the car. If your mid turn... Forget the corner, steer to get the car going in a straight line and Stay on the brakes... (Its best to go off the road going forward then it is to go off sliding sideways... you'll be less likely to roll) Once again, hopefully you wont be driving at that level on the street. Alternatly you could try easing off the brakes a bit, and countersteering. (Technically all these menuvers include a bit of countersteering)

There are some other things you could try, but mostly it comes with learning the car's limits and not exceeding them when your cruzing around on the street. Hell, I dont exceed my cars limits when I'm having a little fun on the streets, but thats probably because I know where the cars limits are. (not many people do) This is also why I advocate doing autocross or open track events. The more experiance you have with dirving at the limits, the better off you'll be when something unexpected happens on the street.

 
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I totally agree with ZZyzx on all this stuff. It might sound like I am just posting for the hell of it, but some people just need to hear things from more than a couple people. STOP SPENDING MONEY ON YOUR SUSPENSION. By a lot of stock sized, non R compund tires and do as many autocross/track/whatever off the road events. I have a lot of track experience, but I still realize that if I were in a totally set up autocross/track car, Mario Andretti would be able to whoop my butt in a stock 7th gen. The other thing is that it becomes very hard to tell what your car is doing if you havent experienced the limits of the car (only at the track). This is why posts get so long with so many set up questions. Go run the crap out of your car stock, then slowly, SLOWLY start modifying things. Shocks, sway bars, camber/caster/toe settings. I am sorry, I just get pissed when some dude asks why his car isnt handling right after he put his high dollar coilovers on it, not realizing that because he dropped it to the ground and is getting a TON of rear camber - contributiing to making the car push worse than it was when it was stock, plus the new exterme toe doenst help... Just trying to advocate TRACK time to everyone instead of buying TIENs and other stuff.

 
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Some of us started modding before we started autox and there was no going back after that. Therefore, we chose to mod for the class and suffer the consequences of learning how to drive a non-stock car. So once in STS you have to mod for the class or you will just get your *** whooped. Running STS with a CAI and a rear sway will get you no where when you are against other highly modded cars. It sucks but such is how we got into the sport.

 
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Anyhow your still racing, and its still competitive and your probably a much better driver than most of us reuglar dudes.

 
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Thats kinda my point. I understand the draw of modifying cars, and driving fast. I was a teenager and drove fast. Now the only thing I can think about is how I survived some of the stupid stuff I pulled off. There is no way to prevent this, kids will be kids and everyone learns by making mistakes. All I am trying to get across is the "keep the racing on the track" mentality. I race motocross, desert trucks, and have done plenty of autocrosses and track events. The racing aspect of my life keeps me at legal speeds on the road. Whenever I start to drive fast on a mountain road or something there is always that thought in the back of my head "wouldnt it be nice to have a gravel trap on that corner instead of a cliff?". Putting better components on your car will make it faster, possibly beyond the drivers limits. Personally I have the most fun in stock cars. When my 7th gen was stock I would rail the **** out of it; but I was only going 35 around corners because that is what the car could do. You will always be faster if you have the ability to outdrive what you are driving. So spend the money joining the SCCA or a local club and go to a parking lot, set up some cones, and go spin your car all day untill you get it right. Not trying to badmouth anyone or get in an argument, just agreeing with the trend of this thread and get my own point of view in.