Who's had a bad transmission? *UPDATED*
honda does know about this problem but they are too cheap to do a fukin recall on our trannies. anyway.....when i was buying parts for my stock intake, i asked one of the mechanics who was on his 15 why our cars have the worst trannies and he said
if you dont use honda tranny oil, it will slip......and I HAVE BEEN using honda tranny oil. so yeah i duno civic trannies are the worst...
oh and, i saw atlest 4 7thgencivics in the lot waiting to be fixed. :-\
if you dont use honda tranny oil, it will slip......and I HAVE BEEN using honda tranny oil. so yeah i duno civic trannies are the worst...
oh and, i saw atlest 4 7thgencivics in the lot waiting to be fixed. :-\
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the trannys do suck
both the manuals and autos arent built great. They use plastic parts inside that should be metal, they use inadequate clutch materials, inadequate grade materials, etc etc. They simply used the cheapest parts they could find.
both the manuals and autos arent built great. They use plastic parts inside that should be metal, they use inadequate clutch materials, inadequate grade materials, etc etc. They simply used the cheapest parts they could find.
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My tranny died at 37k miles, just out of the warranty. Replacement tranny is slipping at 75k. Don't even want to get another one, cuz it's just bound to happen again.
Wow!
I thought the whole idea was to constantly improve pieces. What I read on my 2001 was Honda improved the trans to shift smoother. Guess that also means go out more often! It isn't like the Honda I always have come to expect.... gas, oil and go with no problems. I will pay for one and then sell my car. No way should a trans go before at least 80-100k miles if taken care of. If I don't get that then a 7th Gen I will own no more!
I thought the whole idea was to constantly improve pieces. What I read on my 2001 was Honda improved the trans to shift smoother. Guess that also means go out more often! It isn't like the Honda I always have come to expect.... gas, oil and go with no problems. I will pay for one and then sell my car. No way should a trans go before at least 80-100k miles if taken care of. If I don't get that then a 7th Gen I will own no more!
It does suck...I'm always paranoid about my car, feeling like its going to break. For comparison, I had a 95 DX Hatch with 106,000 miles, not in the greatest shape (previous owner had a turbo/nitrous 7thgen, hatch was his daily driver) . The tranny would slip or not grab at times, but I could still smash around in that car and beat on it, and it was still quick as ***** with just a power chamber intake. Id like to see a 7thgen do that....i dont know. When I'm done with school, its WRX time.
My 2001 lx transmission went out about 93,000 miles it is an automatic but was still under warranty. They fixed it but now at 127,000 miles it seams to be starting all over again.
yeah its not going to stop. soon as i get my type s. im going to tie my civic to the back of the type s and haul it to a local junk yard, or i might burn it.
what do you guys think, junk yard, or burn?
what do you guys think, junk yard, or burn?
Couple points I'd like to state
-Never heard of these tranny issues anywhere other then this forum. No where are people reporting tranny failures nor any consumer reports advising of such issues.
This leads me to believe, especially given the fact most people on this forum are younger,
A. There's alot of younger drivers that are pushing these vehicles too hard
leading to tranny failure
and/or
B. The issues only lie with some of the 2001-2003 models. Never read anywhere in these forums of a 2004-2005 having an issue. These should have started to show considering some of the low mileage failures reported by some 2001 owners.
First year production models should almost always be avoided if you can. I.E 2006 civic will show problems that Honda will clean up later on.
Anyways, good luck with those guys that do have problems, I just think that driver probably had alot to do with it in most cases, maybe not all, there's always a lemon.
-Never heard of these tranny issues anywhere other then this forum. No where are people reporting tranny failures nor any consumer reports advising of such issues.
This leads me to believe, especially given the fact most people on this forum are younger,
A. There's alot of younger drivers that are pushing these vehicles too hard
leading to tranny failure
and/or
B. The issues only lie with some of the 2001-2003 models. Never read anywhere in these forums of a 2004-2005 having an issue. These should have started to show considering some of the low mileage failures reported by some 2001 owners.
First year production models should almost always be avoided if you can. I.E 2006 civic will show problems that Honda will clean up later on.
Anyways, good luck with those guys that do have problems, I just think that driver probably had alot to do with it in most cases, maybe not all, there's always a lemon.
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no its not the driver, the problem (weak clutch pack carrier) has already been identified. even a granny would break it. Heck I redlined my car twice in 4 years and 95% of the time i don't rev above 4k, and i change the fluid every 10k. so i know its not my fault.
I haven't contacted my local trans shop but most of the time they know the weakness points of about every tranny out there (at least domestic). In most cases someone has stepped up to the plate in the aftermarket world with the parts to fix these problems be it the 2004R's weak input shaft and drum that now you can get billet 4340 or its small band where Alto makes a wider band.... to the 700R4's weak Sun Shell gear where they make "The Beast" Sun Shell gear, etc.... Has anyone in the Honda aftermarket made pieces to replace these weak parts and shortcomings? IF mine ever goes I want to know what out there exists be it better clutches, bands, hard parts, machining for more clutches, mods to the hydraulic system, etc... I can do on a rebuild. Any of this information out there?
What really peaks my curiosity is whether Hondas claims are real. They say use only Honda fluids. Every bottle says specifically formulated for Honda. Does it matter? I need to talk to my friend that is a mechanic at a local Honda dealer. I will ask and report back.
Originally Posted by gearbox
no its not the driver, the problem (weak clutch pack carrier) has already been identified. even a granny would break it. Heck I redlined my car twice in 4 years and 95% of the time i don't rev above 4k, and i change the fluid every 10k. so i know its not my fault.
lol i redline my car every time while going on the freeway, down hill is the best part
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feeeeeeweeee, FALSE ALARM! My tranny is fine!! Turns out the noise i heard was the lower bolt of my alternator, who would have thunk it? so, 87000 and still going strong!!
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Originally Posted by DDragon7
What you mean bump start?
But that shouldn't hurt a manual anyway.
Originally Posted by sixer
Couple points I'd like to state
-Never heard of these tranny issues anywhere other then this forum. No where are people reporting tranny failures nor any consumer reports advising of such issues.
-Never heard of these tranny issues anywhere other then this forum. No where are people reporting tranny failures nor any consumer reports advising of such issues.
My local transmission repair shop said they have had a lot of 2001+ Hondas come in with transmission failures, so it's not isolated by any means. And I live in a city of 15,000.
'01 Civic EX Auto tranny going out
My '01 EX just rolled over to 112,000 and shifting in and out of second gear started to get harsh....30 miles down the road check engine light. Havent checked the code....but i can only guess. Luckily it made it home. I guess i get to join everyone else and find out how much a tranny gonna cost
anyone have pointers? I hear these trannys have bad 2nd gear actuators? I also heard the trannies dont have coolers and dont have filters and use a magnet to pull all the garbage out. hmmm....sounds like honda engineers were trying to make a cheap low maintence tranny and messed up royally. Again, Im a broke college student and if anyone has had any luck with honda...please let me know....i dunno how im gonna pay for this one
anyone have pointers? I hear these trannys have bad 2nd gear actuators? I also heard the trannies dont have coolers and dont have filters and use a magnet to pull all the garbage out. hmmm....sounds like honda engineers were trying to make a cheap low maintence tranny and messed up royally. Again, Im a broke college student and if anyone has had any luck with honda...please let me know....i dunno how im gonna pay for this one
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call american honda and bargain. say look we both know the tranny is junk, bad clutch pack carriers, no cooler, bad design with plastic parts, etc i'm never buying a honda again, now are you gonna help me fix this or not.
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I think a class action suit would be an appropriate path at this moment... We all know the tranny is ****, and we are all having problems with it. Any lawyers on the forums that drive a honda
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what an idea! i'd join. i wonder if they fixed this for the 06? or even the 04-05? i've heard they dont alter the mechanics tho in the same gen..
excellent idea
some posts on the fourm said the '03-'05's were good trannys, i have no idea though. Id be down for a lawsuit or something, i mean it seems like a huge number of people are having issues and honda fessed up to the accords, so why not the civics? If i ever buy honda again, it will be a manual tranny.
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Originally Posted by AlienX
I think a class action suit would be an appropriate path at this moment... We all know the tranny is ****, and we are all having problems with it. Any lawyers on the forums that drive a honda
?
?Last I heard the number of failures is still below 1%, don't think that goes for a class action suit consdering the late 80's Ford thunderbird had a 40% transmission failure and the class action suit agianst them failed.
Originally Posted by gearbox
what an idea! i'd join. i wonder if they fixed this for the 06? or even the 04-05? i've heard they dont alter the mechanics tho in the same gen..
Don't know if it is fixed yet or not, but I do know it's a whole new 5 speed tranny for the 8thgens, so I would assume this has been fixed. I am however very dissapointed in the auto tranny for the new civic's. I have never been a fan of Honda's auto trannies, the early 90's Accords where the best they ever made IMO. But for civic's, my truck will shift faster and smoother than any auto civic I've been in, and that's a short gear towing tranny in my truck.
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Originally Posted by civicN00b
some posts on the fourm said the '03-'05's were good trannys, i have no idea though. Id be down for a lawsuit or something, i mean it seems like a huge number of people are having issues and honda fessed up to the accords, so why not the civics? If i ever buy honda again, it will be a manual tranny.
My 02 is 5 speed, and I have to run moly additives just so it will shift as smooth as my 21 year old truck! And I have only 28k on the civic with one gear oil change already.
Go buy an OLD Honda if you want quality.
It FINALLY HAPPENED!
My parents have a 2001 Civic LX Automatic with about 130,000 miles and I think the tranny has just died. The car had to be towed to our house yesterday when the car was at a stoplight and just wouln't move. The tranny does not seem to be engaging. What do you guys think, change the tranny or just move on to a new car?
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we still dont know whether the 04-05 has fixed the problem. otherwise putting in another one will just have the same thing happen again.
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My auto tranny went out but I had a turbo kit on it so I didn't expect Honda to cover it, but when I went to an auto dismantler looking for prices on a used auto tranny or possible manual swap one of the guys told me they already sold 4 auto trannys this month for the 7thgen civics.
Originally Posted by DDragon7
What you mean bump start?
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To start the car smoothly with the clutch, depending on speed its best to start in the higher gear so that engine revs won't soar too high when coming back alive again. Fuel economy pros use this technique to turn off their engine then putting the shifter into Neutral when acceleration is not needed, and then when a lower speed has been reached (say 30 mph or 50km/h) then one would attempt to restart the car with the clutch in 5th gear, since this method is much less harsh than turning on the engine with the key. One would have the clutch disengaged (clutch pedal in) and then from Neutral slide it into 5th. Then as you let rengage the clutch (slowly releasing to the friction point) you will feel it gripping the engine. Immediately let off the clutch pedal till the engine starts firing its cylinders and then right away press the clutch again to avoid aftershock. If done correctly within the second, the clutch should absorb any NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) and engine revs should rise to about 1100 rpms. If engine fails to start try a lower gear, but remember the lower the gear, the more clutch you need to absorb the greater aftershock. Engine revs could be higher during a bump start like 1500 rpms or 2000 although you want to keep these revs as low as possible in order to reduce wear and tear on the engine (rev too low and the engine won't come back on, one must know which gear to start with so that NVH is controllable for all speeds... in this case its harder to control as your momentum decreases). As the revs fall and settle to idle, one should rev match into the appropiate gear and then accelerate their way to desired speed (usualy 40mph or 70km/h before areodynamic losses are prevalant) and then repeat for maximum fuel economy. I suggest refining this technique before attempting to use in real world driving situations as if fallen to the wrong hands can be deadly (like speeding). A master with this technique can recall the engine within half a second and start accelerating as soon as that second is done with no NVH to either the driver or the passengers. And the mileage increases are reported to beat EPA highway estimates in the CITY. If one hasn't noticed why not just coast in Neutral? Simply because as your momentum decreases, the same amount of fuel used to keep the engine running won't be worth it as opposed to coasting with the engine off and mileage is still increased even at very low speeds. There is no payback for fuel coasting with the engine off as opposed to coasting with the engine on in Neutral. In Neutral one has to be travelling at higher speeds to gain the mileage benifits of coasting (since when one is in gear, engine braking prevents the car from travelling far with just momentum), but with the engine off that rule is broken and mileage soars upward at any speeds. Its just a matter of learning how to turn on one's engine when they need it the most as well as maintaining safety, passenger comfort and not overdraining your 12 volt battery.
I definatly am going to be watching this thread. I just bought an 04 civic mostly because of the rep that honda has for making a high quality car. I'm somewhat glad i haven't seen anything on her regarding tranny probs in an 04 civic. This is still somewhat unnerving to me though. Almost makes me wish i had gone with the chevy cobalt i was looking at the was brand new and not used like the civic i bought. Btw i'm at 43k miles on it right now and i don't have any problems with it. So who knows, maybe they did fix this problem in 03+ civic's.




