*UPDATED AGAIN* SRT-4's Falling apart before 10,000 miles!! *UPDATED*
Originally posted by drizze99
y0 girlie! What joo mean it ain't worth da benjamin's?
Damn, that hurt....... If I were you, I would stop running your gums because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Can you name another car that goes 0-60 in 5.4 seconds AND is under 21K? How about a 16g turbo & Valeo FMIC that is fully factory warrentied for under 21k?
Again, I'm not bashing Honda's, just ones intelect...
y0 girlie! What joo mean it ain't worth da benjamin's?
Damn, that hurt....... If I were you, I would stop running your gums because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Can you name another car that goes 0-60 in 5.4 seconds AND is under 21K? How about a 16g turbo & Valeo FMIC that is fully factory warrentied for under 21k?
Again, I'm not bashing Honda's, just ones intelect...
Its stupid to come onto someones site, tell them to shut-up and then give people crap. And do the **** that said im not mature in my last post can go screw themself. I didnt go onto your SRT site and start bashing your cars, but this is 7THGENCIVIC.COM this isnt your site. You can say whatever the hell you want about our cars, but they will endure, just like hondas ALWAYS do, and reguardless of how fast you belive they are, there are faster cars out there, and many that will last longer.
So if you SRT guys have any more smart *** coments, you should probably take them somewhere else, its stupid as hell for you people to come make memberships on our site just to talk **** about our cars.
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Originally posted by mk32382
HP per liter?!
You better start to realize that low-end torque is what we're looking for. Ricers always ignore it. Without it, HP is nothing. You may have all the HP in the world, but with only ~100lbs of torque, you are going to take a LOOOOOONNNNGGG time to accelerate to any significant speed, and hit your peak HP powerband. And no matter what turbo kit you toss on, our 1.7L D17A2 will never have as much torque as a 2.4L SRT-4 motor.
"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -- Steve Saleen
HP per liter?!
You better start to realize that low-end torque is what we're looking for. Ricers always ignore it. Without it, HP is nothing. You may have all the HP in the world, but with only ~100lbs of torque, you are going to take a LOOOOOONNNNGGG time to accelerate to any significant speed, and hit your peak HP powerband. And no matter what turbo kit you toss on, our 1.7L D17A2 will never have as much torque as a 2.4L SRT-4 motor."Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." -- Steve Saleen
Really? do you think that when my measly 153lb/ft S2000 whips a 302lb/ft mustang GT in the 1/4 mile, that the finish line really cares that the mustang has more torque?
think before you speak. The S2k has no low end torque and not much of it, but can still run a 13.6 1/4 mile.
torque is NOT what you claim it to be, plain and simple. So cut the "ricer hp/liter" crap.
on a side note... do you realize the S2000 makes almost 20 more hp than your neon and does so with .4 liters less engine and WITHOUT a turbo?
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Rep Power: 400 Originally posted by drizze99
y0 girlie! What joo mean it ain't worth da benjamin's?
Damn, that hurt....... If I were you, I would stop running your gums because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Can you name another car that goes 0-60 in 5.4 seconds AND is under 21K? How about a 16g turbo & Valeo FMIC that is fully factory warrentied for under 21k?
Again, I'm not bashing Honda's, just ones intelect...
y0 girlie! What joo mean it ain't worth da benjamin's?
Damn, that hurt....... If I were you, I would stop running your gums because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Can you name another car that goes 0-60 in 5.4 seconds AND is under 21K? How about a 16g turbo & Valeo FMIC that is fully factory warrentied for under 21k?
Again, I'm not bashing Honda's, just ones intelect...
straightline isn't life, so if all you bought your car for was to go fast in a straightline for cheap then mission accomplished.
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Here, ive got an idea douchebag, GET THE HELL OFF OUR SITE!
Its stupid to come onto someones site, tell them to shut-up and then give people crap. And do the **** that said im not mature in my last post can go screw themself. I didnt go onto your SRT site and start bashing your cars, but this is 7THGENCIVIC.COM this isnt your site. You can say whatever the hell you want about our cars, but they will endure, just like hondas ALWAYS do, and reguardless of how fast you belive they are, there are faster cars out there, and many that will last longer.
So if you SRT guys have any more smart *** coments, you should probably take them somewhere else, its stupid as hell for you people to come make memberships on our site just to talk **** about our cars.
Here, ive got an idea douchebag, GET THE HELL OFF OUR SITE!
Its stupid to come onto someones site, tell them to shut-up and then give people crap. And do the **** that said im not mature in my last post can go screw themself. I didnt go onto your SRT site and start bashing your cars, but this is 7THGENCIVIC.COM this isnt your site. You can say whatever the hell you want about our cars, but they will endure, just like hondas ALWAYS do, and reguardless of how fast you belive they are, there are faster cars out there, and many that will last longer.
So if you SRT guys have any more smart *** coments, you should probably take them somewhere else, its stupid as hell for you people to come make memberships on our site just to talk **** about our cars.
first, you people keep trying to compare a performance car with a grocery getter. thats pointless[as ive said many times]. the srt-4 is not your competition, even if you would like to think the civic is a factory race car, as many civic drivers seem to think[i dont understand why]
if you want to compare it to a dodge, compare it to a neon. i got some more posts coming, i have to review the thread again so i dont misquote anyone..
to the dude with the s2000: why are you jumping in the middle of this? i dont see anyone with an srt-4 here mentioning the s2000.. if you want to get into that boat ill just say that your car SHOULD be more technologically advanced for $12,000 more than an srt.. makes sense.. no?
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by HustleLikeMOFO
Ok, I'm going to be serious one time with this post.
My first car was a 97 Monte Carlo Z34 (got it at 59k miles), fast car with Borla Exhaust, Intake and some other crap (i think it came close to 250hp witht he mods), I got that car because I was a dumb@ss and I did not realize how importent it was for a car to acctually be driven daily without constantly worrying about it. Sure it was fun to drive, floor that fvcker and get sucked into the seat was fun, very fun until all my paychecks started going into it to keep it running.
At 71k mile it developed MAJOR oil leak, by 75k miles alternator, fuel pump, radio and pretty much a lot of things started going BESIDES the Tranny and the Engine. By 80k miles with more then 3k put into for JUST repairs it had to go. Many of my friends who owned GM cars, Dodges.. domestics for the most part all told me the same thing, while owning the car it was always in need of some repair. Every domestic my relatives owned, same story for the most part.
Then I realized that all the people who said that domestics are a joke were right and cars like Honda, Toyota or Nissan were the way to go. I will NEVER own a domestic because I need a car that will not be a pain in the @ss. I'm not saying that ALL domestics are built poorly, but it is safe to say that the MAJORTIRY is built poorly, why, I dont know.
Give the SRT three or four years of driving and when you put on more miles taking it to the dealership for repairs then actually racing it, then you come and talk to us. 04 SRT starts at around $20k, give it 4 years and it will be worth around 7-8k because I think there is no one stupid enough to buy a used Dodge Neon, ESSPECIALLY one with a turbo in it... at leats I hope. 04 Civic starts at around 17k, in 4 years it will be worth around 11k and lets not forget that the Civic is a 115hp simple car compared to the 230hp (or whatever it is) SRT4.
Oh yes, that 7 year 70k miles WARRENTY a couple mentioned is just a POWER TRAIN warrenty that only covers the drive train (engine, tranny and transaxel). The bumper to bumper warrentry on the SRT4 is only 36k miles and if you did not have any problems with the car before 36k, I guarantee problems afterwards that you will have to pay for. So this is where I'm going with this:
The SRT4 is a horrible investment because it will lose value very fast, when the bumper-bumper warranty runs out you will have to spend money to fix the car and selling it will be a huge chllenge.
There are two types of people who would buy the SRT4:
1) people who love cars and know how to work on them, people who race them at organized tracks, people who know how to fix cars and people who are willing to take the SRT4 and make it a 10 second car.
2) people who are idiots. people who take the SRT4 and go brag about how fast it is without any knowlege of how it works. the people who just know that the car has a turbo and it can smoke otehr 4 cylinder imports. people who go around bragging that the car is ONLY 20k and by far the best sports car you can get for the money (there is a reason why it is only 20k, give the car 3 years and you will find out why
)
Bottom line is that if you are #1, then I understand why you got the SRT. If you are #2 then you are an idiot...... and it seems that most people who posted here seem to fit #2 pretty well.
sorry for the long post
Ok, I'm going to be serious one time with this post.
My first car was a 97 Monte Carlo Z34 (got it at 59k miles), fast car with Borla Exhaust, Intake and some other crap (i think it came close to 250hp witht he mods), I got that car because I was a dumb@ss and I did not realize how importent it was for a car to acctually be driven daily without constantly worrying about it. Sure it was fun to drive, floor that fvcker and get sucked into the seat was fun, very fun until all my paychecks started going into it to keep it running.
At 71k mile it developed MAJOR oil leak, by 75k miles alternator, fuel pump, radio and pretty much a lot of things started going BESIDES the Tranny and the Engine. By 80k miles with more then 3k put into for JUST repairs it had to go. Many of my friends who owned GM cars, Dodges.. domestics for the most part all told me the same thing, while owning the car it was always in need of some repair. Every domestic my relatives owned, same story for the most part.
Then I realized that all the people who said that domestics are a joke were right and cars like Honda, Toyota or Nissan were the way to go. I will NEVER own a domestic because I need a car that will not be a pain in the @ss. I'm not saying that ALL domestics are built poorly, but it is safe to say that the MAJORTIRY is built poorly, why, I dont know.
Give the SRT three or four years of driving and when you put on more miles taking it to the dealership for repairs then actually racing it, then you come and talk to us. 04 SRT starts at around $20k, give it 4 years and it will be worth around 7-8k because I think there is no one stupid enough to buy a used Dodge Neon, ESSPECIALLY one with a turbo in it... at leats I hope. 04 Civic starts at around 17k, in 4 years it will be worth around 11k and lets not forget that the Civic is a 115hp simple car compared to the 230hp (or whatever it is) SRT4.
Oh yes, that 7 year 70k miles WARRENTY a couple mentioned is just a POWER TRAIN warrenty that only covers the drive train (engine, tranny and transaxel). The bumper to bumper warrentry on the SRT4 is only 36k miles and if you did not have any problems with the car before 36k, I guarantee problems afterwards that you will have to pay for. So this is where I'm going with this:
The SRT4 is a horrible investment because it will lose value very fast, when the bumper-bumper warranty runs out you will have to spend money to fix the car and selling it will be a huge chllenge.
There are two types of people who would buy the SRT4:
1) people who love cars and know how to work on them, people who race them at organized tracks, people who know how to fix cars and people who are willing to take the SRT4 and make it a 10 second car.
2) people who are idiots. people who take the SRT4 and go brag about how fast it is without any knowlege of how it works. the people who just know that the car has a turbo and it can smoke otehr 4 cylinder imports. people who go around bragging that the car is ONLY 20k and by far the best sports car you can get for the money (there is a reason why it is only 20k, give the car 3 years and you will find out why
) Bottom line is that if you are #1, then I understand why you got the SRT. If you are #2 then you are an idiot...... and it seems that most people who posted here seem to fit #2 pretty well.
sorry for the long post
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why do you come to A 7thgencivic to bash our cars? clearly if it was as good as you assume it is... you wouldn't need to be here to back yo **** up
why do you come to A 7thgencivic to bash our cars? clearly if it was as good as you assume it is... you wouldn't need to be here to back yo **** up
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neon coupe 4 door. my point was the neon platform.
4 years? hmm last time I checked neons were introduced around 95..... that would be 8 years.
neon coupe 4 door. my point was the neon platform.
4 years? hmm last time I checked neons were introduced around 95..... that would be 8 years.
if you arent counting different body styles, then civics were introduced in the 80's(maybe 70's?) so i dont see your point about it being old..
2nd gen neon = 2000+
I'm not comparing the SRT4 to a civic. But since you opened that can of worms... before the SRT4, quite honestly, the neon just doesn't have much street credibility. Let's say you'd go cruising and on the average night, you may run into some 12 or 13 second civics... but you'd be hard pressed to find a neon that runs that in the same night much less probably a year of cruising.
Like I said.. neons just weren't taking seriously and it has never been looked at as a "cool" sport compact car. To the average sport compact car crowd, if you said "which would you rather have... a neon or a civic" most would choose the civic.
On top of that, keep in mind that in Fast and Furious 2.... even though that movie was king of rice, even THEY TURNED DOWN the SRT4. They said they simply couldn't see putting a neon in a movie with the cars that were in it.... which included a few civics. (dodge tried desperately to get an SRT 4 in the movie) So if even the king of all rice movies turns down the neon, it simply further proves my point. The neon just was never taken seriously among the mainstream sport compact crowd.
Like I said.. neons just weren't taking seriously and it has never been looked at as a "cool" sport compact car. To the average sport compact car crowd, if you said "which would you rather have... a neon or a civic" most would choose the civic.
On top of that, keep in mind that in Fast and Furious 2.... even though that movie was king of rice, even THEY TURNED DOWN the SRT4. They said they simply couldn't see putting a neon in a movie with the cars that were in it.... which included a few civics. (dodge tried desperately to get an SRT 4 in the movie) So if even the king of all rice movies turns down the neon, it simply further proves my point. The neon just was never taken seriously among the mainstream sport compact crowd.
and since when does a car being in a dumb movie mean anything? the fact that you even brought up 2F2F shows the mindset you people have..
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Rep Power: 400 the point im making about bringing up the S2000 is that torque is not everything and that technology in a car DOES make a difference.
and Elite... with the turbo kit for the S2000 with 8psi (it's a bolt on kit with fuel/engine management) they run low 12's.
and Elite... with the turbo kit for the S2000 with 8psi (it's a bolt on kit with fuel/engine management) they run low 12's.
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if you arent counting different body styles, then civics were introduced in the 80's(maybe 70's?) so i dont see your point about it being old..
2nd gen neon = 2000+
and where, might i ask did you get that information? this forum? what i heard was that there were too many dodges already in the movie(viper, ram, challenger).
and since when does a car being in a dumb movie mean anything? the fact that you even brought up 2F2F shows the mindset you people have..
if you arent counting different body styles, then civics were introduced in the 80's(maybe 70's?) so i dont see your point about it being old..
2nd gen neon = 2000+
and where, might i ask did you get that information? this forum? what i heard was that there were too many dodges already in the movie(viper, ram, challenger).
and since when does a car being in a dumb movie mean anything? the fact that you even brought up 2F2F shows the mindset you people have..
and as for where I got the info? from a director's interview in sport compact car. they interviewed the director of FF2 and those were his exact words.
it's not because there were already "too many" dodges. he flat out said he just can't see putting a neon in the movie with all those other sharp looking cars.
and since you ignored my point the first time, I stated this about the movie to FURTHER prove my point that the neon is just not taken seriously in the sport compact world prior to the SRT4. and even then....
As for our mindset, watch your tone. I will not tolerate any further flaming beyond the post I made above.
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I will bash my car, cause I have driven faster things, but performance in terms of speed is not what the general USDM Civic is known or sold for. Personally after hearing that the SRT-4 has problems I would rather have a Civic because I will enjoy the 40 mpg and the reliablity of my slower car. In the long run will save me the time of taking my car to a dealer for only regular maintenance.
The SRT 4 is not the only car that has maintenance issues...so does the STI and Evo 8. Main reason? The drivers and how they handle the manual transmission.
</noob>
I will bash my car, cause I have driven faster things, but performance in terms of speed is not what the general USDM Civic is known or sold for. Personally after hearing that the SRT-4 has problems I would rather have a Civic because I will enjoy the 40 mpg and the reliablity of my slower car. In the long run will save me the time of taking my car to a dealer for only regular maintenance.
The SRT 4 is not the only car that has maintenance issues...so does the STI and Evo 8. Main reason? The drivers and how they handle the manual transmission.
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Rep Power: 0 im not flaming but im fully expecting to get banned anyway. all i've done is state facts in this thread and i see a lot of the civic guys/gals here talking all kinds of crap and spreading misinformation.
even if its true that they didnt want an srt-4 in the movie, it doesnt make sense that they are now putting it in the game. oh well.. if 2F2F is the 'scene' you want to be associated with, more power to ya. I have bigger fish to fry.
even if its true that they didnt want an srt-4 in the movie, it doesnt make sense that they are now putting it in the game. oh well.. if 2F2F is the 'scene' you want to be associated with, more power to ya. I have bigger fish to fry.
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<noob>
I will bash my car, cause I have driven faster things, but performance in terms of speed is not what the general USDM Civic is known or sold for. Personally after hearing that the SRT-4 has problems I would rather have a Civic because I will enjoy the 40 mpg and the reliablity of my slower car. In the long run will save me the time of taking my car to a dealer for only regular maintenance.
The SRT 4 is not the only car that has maintenance issues...so does the STI and Evo 8. Main reason? The drivers and how they handle the manual transmission.
</noob>
<noob>
I will bash my car, cause I have driven faster things, but performance in terms of speed is not what the general USDM Civic is known or sold for. Personally after hearing that the SRT-4 has problems I would rather have a Civic because I will enjoy the 40 mpg and the reliablity of my slower car. In the long run will save me the time of taking my car to a dealer for only regular maintenance.
The SRT 4 is not the only car that has maintenance issues...so does the STI and Evo 8. Main reason? The drivers and how they handle the manual transmission.
</noob>
Again, the 'problems' associated with the srt-4 are only things percieved in the mind of a few people and rumors that have propogated throughout the internet due to moronic threads such as this one.
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Rep Power: 400 You are missing my point. We all hate how ricey fast and furious was. And again the point I was making, if the king of all that is rice even turns down the neon, then what does it say about mainstream america, the compact crowd, and it's thought on the neon? get it?
and no you won't be banned from the thread unless you flame. and that goes for civic owners too. anyone regardless of car taste is allowed to post here and visit here.
people ARE allowed to voice opinions on their car. for example the person a few pages back who said they dislike dodges and gave some reasons and etc etc. yet you guys kept jumpin all over them about it and trying to convince them they were wrong.
this is a civic site, so you are fighting an uphill battle. misinformation is different than someone's opinion that they dont like neons. don't cross the two.
and no you won't be banned from the thread unless you flame. and that goes for civic owners too. anyone regardless of car taste is allowed to post here and visit here.
people ARE allowed to voice opinions on their car. for example the person a few pages back who said they dislike dodges and gave some reasons and etc etc. yet you guys kept jumpin all over them about it and trying to convince them they were wrong.
this is a civic site, so you are fighting an uphill battle. misinformation is different than someone's opinion that they dont like neons. don't cross the two.
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You are missing my point. We all hate how ricey fast and furious was. And again the point I was making, if the king of all that is rice even turns down the neon, then what does it say about mainstream america, the compact crowd, and it's thought on the neon? get it?
and no you won't be banned from the thread unless you flame. and that goes for civic owners too. anyone regardless of car taste is allowed to post here and visit here.
people ARE allowed to voice opinions on their car. for example the person a few pages back who said they dislike dodges and gave some reasons and etc etc. yet you guys kept jumpin all over them about it and trying to convince them they were wrong.
this is a civic site, so you are fighting an uphill battle. misinformation is different than someone's opinion that they dont like neons. don't cross the two.
You are missing my point. We all hate how ricey fast and furious was. And again the point I was making, if the king of all that is rice even turns down the neon, then what does it say about mainstream america, the compact crowd, and it's thought on the neon? get it?
and no you won't be banned from the thread unless you flame. and that goes for civic owners too. anyone regardless of car taste is allowed to post here and visit here.
people ARE allowed to voice opinions on their car. for example the person a few pages back who said they dislike dodges and gave some reasons and etc etc. yet you guys kept jumpin all over them about it and trying to convince them they were wrong.
this is a civic site, so you are fighting an uphill battle. misinformation is different than someone's opinion that they dont like neons. don't cross the two.
i still dont see why i should care if my car was in that movie though.. i obviously AM missing your point because it doesnt make sense to me..
edit: i know i am fighting an uphill battle.. just trying to help people realize that not everything you read on the internet is credible, and that they might want to open their eyes to some things..
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Rep Power: 380 There are a couple of reasons that the SRT-4 Dosn't impress me. the biggest issue is build quality. and I'm not talking about weather or not the engine will blow in the first 10,000 miles. Im talking about bodly seams, welds and the like.... See, my parents own a body shop down in San Diego, and I worked there for many years (Since I was old enough to hold a wrench). I've pulled apart every thing from a Ferrari testarossa to a BMW Isetta. From all the years of working on cars I've learned one thing. the build quality on american cars is woefully dissapointing. Every thing from how body panels are attached to the car to the spot welds its just reaks of being cheep and hacked. Its sad really, every thing from Dodge Vipers to Ford Mustangs, Even jaguar is suffering form this (Ever since Ford bought them). So thats one major reason the SRT-4 doesn't impress me, because I know how the damn thing is held together and its dissapointing. Of course this is coming from a person with an uncanny Hatred of all things Porsche. (Some of the most pain in the *** POS cars on the fase of the planet).
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There are a couple of reasons that the SRT-4 Dosn't impress me. the biggest issue is build quality. and I'm not talking about weather or not the engine will blow in the first 10,000 miles. Im talking about bodly seams, welds and the like.... See, my parents own a body shop down in San Diego, and I worked there for many years (Since I was old enough to hold a wrench). I've pulled apart every thing from a Ferrari testarossa to a BMW Isetta. From all the years of working on cars I've learned one thing. the build quality on american cars is woefully dissapointing. Every thing from how body panels are attached to the car to the spot welds its just reaks of being cheep and hacked. Its sad really, every thing from Dodge Vipers to Ford Mustangs, Even jaguar is suffering form this (Ever since Ford bought them). So thats one major reason the SRT-4 doesn't impress me, because I know how the damn thing is held together and its dissapointing. Of course this is coming from a person with an uncanny Hatred of all things Porsche. (Some of the most pain in the *** POS cars on the fase of the planet).
There are a couple of reasons that the SRT-4 Dosn't impress me. the biggest issue is build quality. and I'm not talking about weather or not the engine will blow in the first 10,000 miles. Im talking about bodly seams, welds and the like.... See, my parents own a body shop down in San Diego, and I worked there for many years (Since I was old enough to hold a wrench). I've pulled apart every thing from a Ferrari testarossa to a BMW Isetta. From all the years of working on cars I've learned one thing. the build quality on american cars is woefully dissapointing. Every thing from how body panels are attached to the car to the spot welds its just reaks of being cheep and hacked. Its sad really, every thing from Dodge Vipers to Ford Mustangs, Even jaguar is suffering form this (Ever since Ford bought them). So thats one major reason the SRT-4 doesn't impress me, because I know how the damn thing is held together and its dissapointing. Of course this is coming from a person with an uncanny Hatred of all things Porsche. (Some of the most pain in the *** POS cars on the fase of the planet).
lease: 
See the whole <noob> </noob> part? eh? I am not taking the effort to read the words off 13 pages just so that I can write a thread to counter someone elses...that is my opinion that I stand by. Even if they are only rumors, I have not heard too many rumors of honda's breaking down.
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bwahahaha
isn't that ironic? maybe you should take your own advice....
be quiet and accept that you paid 20k for a peice of ****
bwahahaha
bwahahaha
isn't that ironic? maybe you should take your own advice....
be quiet and accept that you paid 20k for a peice of ****
bwahahaha
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yeah you're right dude.. for 20 grand i really SHOULD expect my car to have the build quality of a ferrari lease:
yeah you're right dude.. for 20 grand i really SHOULD expect my car to have the build quality of a ferrari
lease: Im not compairing it to a Ferrari, Im saying that in my experiance Domestic cars are just build poorer then their compairitive Europen and Asian counterparts.
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From: Dallas, Tx but now Virginia Beach, VA 'cause of job...
Rep Power: 0 Hmmm...We have given this thread too much attention and are taking it much too seriously. If you dont own the car then why do hell do you care. i hope your not waiting for the other person to say "Gee your right!!!" and run out and trade their car in for yours because I can guarantee that it aint gonna happen.
So what if the clutch goes out @ 10,000? (And thats only a few cases and its been dependant on driving conditions at that) For 18 grand the SRT is a pretty good buy I think if you want speed. I just know that after taxes and warrenty I paid damn near $19,000 for my vic and I didnt even get a damn cd player, lol. We are comparing apples and oranges people. We civ owners should just chill for right now because if we settle it on the track stock to stock, we know who'll get the last laugh huh, not us...but 6 years from now, I wanna see the trade in value on an '03 SRT. Apples and oranges peeps, apples and oranges.
So what if the clutch goes out @ 10,000? (And thats only a few cases and its been dependant on driving conditions at that) For 18 grand the SRT is a pretty good buy I think if you want speed. I just know that after taxes and warrenty I paid damn near $19,000 for my vic and I didnt even get a damn cd player, lol. We are comparing apples and oranges people. We civ owners should just chill for right now because if we settle it on the track stock to stock, we know who'll get the last laugh huh, not us...but 6 years from now, I wanna see the trade in value on an '03 SRT. Apples and oranges peeps, apples and oranges.
Originally posted by SeCosCiV
Hmmm...We have given this thread too much attention and are taking it much too seriously. If you dont own the car then why do hell do you care. i hope your not waiting for the other person to say "Gee your right!!!" and run out and trade their car in for yours because I can guarantee that it aint gonna happen.
So what if the clutch goes out @ 10,000? (And thats only a few cases and its been dependant on driving conditions at that) For 18 grand the SRT is a pretty good buy I think if you want speed. I just know that after taxes and warrenty I paid damn near $19,000 for my vic and I didnt even get a damn cd player, lol. We are comparing apples and oranges people. We civ owners should just chill for right now because if we settle it on the track stock to stock, we know who'll get the last laugh huh, not us...but 6 years from now, I wanna see the trade in value on an '03 SRT. Apples and oranges peeps, apples and oranges.
Hmmm...We have given this thread too much attention and are taking it much too seriously. If you dont own the car then why do hell do you care. i hope your not waiting for the other person to say "Gee your right!!!" and run out and trade their car in for yours because I can guarantee that it aint gonna happen.
So what if the clutch goes out @ 10,000? (And thats only a few cases and its been dependant on driving conditions at that) For 18 grand the SRT is a pretty good buy I think if you want speed. I just know that after taxes and warrenty I paid damn near $19,000 for my vic and I didnt even get a damn cd player, lol. We are comparing apples and oranges people. We civ owners should just chill for right now because if we settle it on the track stock to stock, we know who'll get the last laugh huh, not us...but 6 years from now, I wanna see the trade in value on an '03 SRT. Apples and oranges peeps, apples and oranges.
