Turbo D17 or K20a?
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think of it this way...
if you boost your civic, thats pretty much it. no more HP for you.
if you swap, you get about the same amount of HP BUT you still have the decision to boost, nitrous, NA, whatever you want.
so, if you just want to be in the range of 200 ponies just boost, if you want more, swap. no one really needs more than 200hp anyways.
if you boost your civic, thats pretty much it. no more HP for you.
if you swap, you get about the same amount of HP BUT you still have the decision to boost, nitrous, NA, whatever you want.
so, if you just want to be in the range of 200 ponies just boost, if you want more, swap. no one really needs more than 200hp anyways.
a local shop here in sc quoted me $3800 for a full k20a2 swap. i didn't believe them at first, so i asked if they knew they needed the subframe, wiring harness, basically a whole front clip, they said they would get a jdm type r front clip with full install for still $3800.
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Originally Posted by Caucasian.Asian
think of it this way...
if you boost your civic, thats pretty much it. no more HP for you.
if you swap, you get about the same amount of HP BUT you still have the decision to boost, nitrous, NA, whatever you want.
so, if you just want to be in the range of 200 ponies just boost, if you want more, swap. no one really needs more than 200hp anyways.
if you boost your civic, thats pretty much it. no more HP for you.
if you swap, you get about the same amount of HP BUT you still have the decision to boost, nitrous, NA, whatever you want.
so, if you just want to be in the range of 200 ponies just boost, if you want more, swap. no one really needs more than 200hp anyways.
Im not done making more power with the d17. And im pretty sure the stock k20 wont be able to hold more power than my motor. And im pretty sure a built one wont be much superior to mine.
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
Im not done making more power with the d17. And im pretty sure the stock k20 wont be able to hold more power than my motor. And im pretty sure a built one wont be much superior to mine.
of course with that much power you may want to think about spending the money for an AWD conversion. Be expensive but you could do it.
Originally Posted by chriscivic
a local shop here in sc quoted me $3800 for a full k20a2 swap. i didn't believe them at first, so i asked if they knew they needed the subframe, wiring harness, basically a whole front clip, they said they would get a jdm type r front clip with full install for still $3800.
Can you find a number for the shop... if there talking those prices I want to check into this...
Originally Posted by Ashhole
I dunno man. I hear a D17 tops off around 300whp. And u can get a k20 over 400whp.
of course with that much power you may want to think about spending the money for an AWD conversion. Be expensive but you could do it.
of course with that much power you may want to think about spending the money for an AWD conversion. Be expensive but you could do it.
Of course having two cams produces higher horsepower numbers just because of the cam overlap that you can create but that isn't everything, that is just more efficient flow capability. There is also a k series motor that I have seen put down over 700 hp. But guess how much money went into that setup? Probably around 20-30k (on top of the car.)
We're talking efficiency here. You want something fun and quick. Why spend the extra on a new motor when you can boost your car up to 10 psi for less and get more power and speed?
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This is a pretty good topic.
I been trolling around these forums for a few weeks thinking about this question, also thinking about saving for an 06 Si.
I have never known anything about cars til about 2 months ago, and since I haven't been able to stop learning more about them.
Anyways, back on topic, the K20a2 swap sounds like you might as well get a new car, unless you want a sleeper, which is what some do want. The turbo sounds like a good option other than the reliability aspect, but for an extra 1000 for internals, another 1000-2000 for dyno tuning it can be reliable.
I wish the 06 Si would come out so I could do a better comparison... It's going to have LSD, six speed shifter, and gawd damnit November is the earliest anyone will be able see the production version...
Hey Andyman, do you have any numbers with your turbo? 0-60 & 1/4mi?
btw- somone mentioned something about the axles only handling 200hp? anyone know if it's an issue?
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I been trolling around these forums for a few weeks thinking about this question, also thinking about saving for an 06 Si.
I have never known anything about cars til about 2 months ago, and since I haven't been able to stop learning more about them.
Anyways, back on topic, the K20a2 swap sounds like you might as well get a new car, unless you want a sleeper, which is what some do want. The turbo sounds like a good option other than the reliability aspect, but for an extra 1000 for internals, another 1000-2000 for dyno tuning it can be reliable.
I wish the 06 Si would come out so I could do a better comparison... It's going to have LSD, six speed shifter, and gawd damnit November is the earliest anyone will be able see the production version...
Hey Andyman, do you have any numbers with your turbo? 0-60 & 1/4mi?
btw- somone mentioned something about the axles only handling 200hp? anyone know if it's an issue?
-Sko
As far as the si, nobody knows for sure what's going into it. Everything is speculative at this point.
Dyno time will not run you a grand. Should be well under 500 unless someone is trying to rip you off.
I don't have 60 ft times or quarter times yet. I haven't finished everything on my current setup. I still need to pick up a few more things. Expect some dyno hp numbers by july 1st (hopefully.)
Dyno time will not run you a grand. Should be well under 500 unless someone is trying to rip you off.
I don't have 60 ft times or quarter times yet. I haven't finished everything on my current setup. I still need to pick up a few more things. Expect some dyno hp numbers by july 1st (hopefully.)
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Rep Power: 292 well boosting a D17 is good because if you blow it up you can always pick another one up for a decent price and learn from your mistakes. theres only so much you can do to a D17. and the aftermarket products arent very plentful as it is for a K20. But i think you would come out on top if you did a k swap, then you could allways boost it down the road, or do a toda cam package or something.
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Originally Posted by Jeromie
if i could do it over again i would swap, once u boost for a bit ur gonna want more... then imagine how sick it would be to have a k20 boosted 
Thats just my opinion
Thats just my opinion
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Originally Posted by milba
question on forced induction for the d17,
i live in australia and here the cars are RHD so im wondering if there would be ne problems for installing a turbo ie space wise?
i live in australia and here the cars are RHD so im wondering if there would be ne problems for installing a turbo ie space wise?
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Originally Posted by Jeromie
if i could do it over again i would swap, once u boost for a bit ur gonna want more... then imagine how sick it would be to have a k20 boosted
Thats just my opinion
Thats just my opinion
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Originally Posted by atl01
I wouldnt turbo any thing over 50k. but i guess it also depends on how you have driven the car since you have owned it, and maint also.
Also replace the head gasket just to make sure.. Last edited by WhiteCastle; Jun 6, 2005 at 07:32 PM.
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dont know been covered on this forum. Stuff does what it is meant to do. clean all the **** out of your engine
ohh ya just to note this stuff isnt legal to have in california but I bet you figured that out
dont know been covered on this forum. Stuff does what it is meant to do. clean all the **** out of your engine
ohh ya just to note this stuff isnt legal to have in california but I bet you figured that out
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