About this whole DH love/hate thing
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Originally posted by gearbox
Guns, I'll keep you updated. I seriously feel ashamed at some of the things members are saying. At least wait until someone puts up a dyno before you start bashing. But whatever, do what makes you happy.
Guns, I'll keep you updated. I seriously feel ashamed at some of the things members are saying. At least wait until someone puts up a dyno before you start bashing. But whatever, do what makes you happy.
But it is sad to say that some people(non customers) made are giving most of the complaints.
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man, thats crazy. how could they think thats acceptable? i wonder if they think people wont post pics of what they got and just hope word of something like this wont get around. i cant believe they would send something like that and think it was worth his 2700 bucks. any thoughts of getting any kind of work done from DH are now gone from my head....DH racing doesnt exist to me anymore.
Originally posted by guns
But it is sad to say that some people(non customers) made are giving most of the complaints.
But it is sad to say that some people(non customers) made are giving most of the complaints.
The fact that they pulled their vendor license means that they gave up. They knew their claims were wack and we weren't buying their ebay scam lingo. A few of you still feel the need to hold on I guess maybe cause you are out financially. Accept the loss, accept the fact that you didn't listen to our advice, and move on. I try posting about top notch engine builders and everyone is DH this DH that. LOOK at what they sent Prod!
Just stop posting this nonsense about non-customers complaining it makes NO sense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether they are DH customers or not. Funny thing is, Prod posted pics of it and a few people actually posted "cool", "looks good". It's obvious some people can't notice crap when its right in front of their eyes.
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Skyline R33
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I must stress this over and over again. But we need to stop knocking DH.
I've spoken with Dave himself, and Josh.
I got my block today (whatever time i posted the other thread) and honestly i was unhappy.
I DID NOT THROW MY OPINION IN FOR TWO REASONS. 1. I had not spoken with Dave yet to see what the problem was. 2. I'm not stupid.
I called Dave today. I spoke with him PERSONALLY, he was driving home from Vegas.
This conversation lasted prolly about 20 minutes...........
Overall he explained that it's the power the motor puts out...... not how it looks.
I asked him to speak with Josh and get on the same level.... he agreed and we hung up.
about ten minutes later Josh called me. We had a shorter conversation maybe ten minutes or so........ and this conversation ended with a formal agreement, on paper, signed by Dave Hickman and Josh stating that it would put down the power i expected of it and it would be mailed to me.
I was a complete *** hole when i called. I will be the first to admit that... i'm normally not an ***, but i'm afraid that's what i had to do to get my point across.
A lot of our conversation is left out because well, I don't want to repeat what was said..... it's not needed, you get the general idea.
DH will make it right. Josh knew from the get go that this would make or break the company, and i expressed that to Dave.
The main thing that i see here is that Josh and Dave are not communicating enough. I think Josh is on a completely different level than Dave is and it's all a huge misunderstanding......
I tried to contact Dave again tonight but he did not answer... We'll get a lot solved when we speak again.
I must stress this over and over again. But we need to stop knocking DH.
I've spoken with Dave himself, and Josh.
I got my block today (whatever time i posted the other thread) and honestly i was unhappy.
I DID NOT THROW MY OPINION IN FOR TWO REASONS. 1. I had not spoken with Dave yet to see what the problem was. 2. I'm not stupid.
I called Dave today. I spoke with him PERSONALLY, he was driving home from Vegas.
This conversation lasted prolly about 20 minutes...........
Overall he explained that it's the power the motor puts out...... not how it looks.
I asked him to speak with Josh and get on the same level.... he agreed and we hung up.
about ten minutes later Josh called me. We had a shorter conversation maybe ten minutes or so........ and this conversation ended with a formal agreement, on paper, signed by Dave Hickman and Josh stating that it would put down the power i expected of it and it would be mailed to me.
I was a complete *** hole when i called. I will be the first to admit that... i'm normally not an ***, but i'm afraid that's what i had to do to get my point across.
A lot of our conversation is left out because well, I don't want to repeat what was said..... it's not needed, you get the general idea.
DH will make it right. Josh knew from the get go that this would make or break the company, and i expressed that to Dave.
The main thing that i see here is that Josh and Dave are not communicating enough. I think Josh is on a completely different level than Dave is and it's all a huge misunderstanding......
I tried to contact Dave again tonight but he did not answer... We'll get a lot solved when we speak again.
Thanks for the update.
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Rep Power: 0 I am glad you can comunicate so well. Moron? Ok lets go back to 2nd grade and come up with a better way to insult people. Where are the dyno results for your car. If you know everything then you should know what your baseline is so as you do mods you know what you are getting. Moron?
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
You need to be careful what you say. This is only the net. But there are people behind the computers who read this stuff. One day you might get a rude awakening.
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
You need to be careful what you say. This is only the net. But there are people behind the computers who read this stuff. One day you might get a rude awakening.
Originally posted by dober
You are a moron plain and simple. Go waste your money on this garbage. All I wanted was proof and now I am not allowed to judge the crap that I see before me because I am not a customer of DH??? You make no fuggin sense.
The fact that they pulled their vendor license means that they gave up. They knew their claims were wack and we weren't buying their ebay scam lingo. A few of you still feel the need to hold on I guess maybe cause you are out financially. Accept the loss, accept the fact that you didn't listen to our advice, and move on. I try posting about top notch engine builders and everyone is DH this DH that. LOOK at what they sent Prod!
Just stop posting this nonsense about non-customers complaining it makes NO sense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether they are DH customers or not. Funny thing is, Prod posted pics of it and a few people actually posted "cool", "looks good". It's obvious some people can't notice crap when its right in front of their eyes.
You are a moron plain and simple. Go waste your money on this garbage. All I wanted was proof and now I am not allowed to judge the crap that I see before me because I am not a customer of DH??? You make no fuggin sense.
The fact that they pulled their vendor license means that they gave up. They knew their claims were wack and we weren't buying their ebay scam lingo. A few of you still feel the need to hold on I guess maybe cause you are out financially. Accept the loss, accept the fact that you didn't listen to our advice, and move on. I try posting about top notch engine builders and everyone is DH this DH that. LOOK at what they sent Prod!
Just stop posting this nonsense about non-customers complaining it makes NO sense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether they are DH customers or not. Funny thing is, Prod posted pics of it and a few people actually posted "cool", "looks good". It's obvious some people can't notice crap when its right in front of their eyes.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Prod
No offense........... this is a lot more than a small problem.
A pulley spacer is a small problem.
a 2700 dollar motor is on a slightly larger scale.
No offense........... this is a lot more than a small problem.
A pulley spacer is a small problem.
a 2700 dollar motor is on a slightly larger scale.
Well I guess I take back what I said then.
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Rep Power: 813 Glad things are getting worked out, Prod. So aside from being dirty, does it look like they did what was promised as far as the work goes? As long as it makes the power...
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Prod
I am giving them a chance, but you put it off to be a small issue.
A 135 dollar pulley can come and go, it's 135 bucks.
2700 dollars is not something that can come and go.
Like i said before..... DH will handle this, and it will be solved.
I am giving them a chance, but you put it off to be a small issue.
A 135 dollar pulley can come and go, it's 135 bucks.
2700 dollars is not something that can come and go.
Like i said before..... DH will handle this, and it will be solved.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by guns
Dober, I am glad you can comunicate so well. Moron? Ok lets go back to 2nd grade and come up with a better way to insult people. Where are the dyno results for your car. If you know everything then you should know what your baseline is so as you do mods you know what you are getting. Moron?
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
You need to be careful what you say. This is only the net. But there are people behind the computers who read this stuff. One day you might get a rude awakening.
Dober, I am glad you can comunicate so well. Moron? Ok lets go back to 2nd grade and come up with a better way to insult people. Where are the dyno results for your car. If you know everything then you should know what your baseline is so as you do mods you know what you are getting. Moron?
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
You need to be careful what you say. This is only the net. But there are people behind the computers who read this stuff. One day you might get a rude awakening.
Prove me wrong with facts, not hear say or childish insults.
Originally posted by guns
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
I started with a dyno. I posted results once I bolted on my turbo. I will post again once I do more mods.
As soon as the AEM EMS comes out I will be scheduling a dyno tuning session but until then I am not going to waste my time and money to show what I already know. The base SF kit puts out roughly 183 whp and a little more torque at 8 psi.
[B]But there are people behind the computers who read this stuff.B]
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Ok, this is my third time trying to write this reply lol. My mind keeps wandering to click some links in the middle. I guess it's too late for me lol.
Anyway, that sucks Prod. Was it actually shipped like that, or was it caused from shipping. It looked like it was originally wrapped in a plastic bag. For people that are trying to prove their quality, it all doesn't look too well. I'd at least expect a clean block for the price. But I wish you luck and hope everything works out for you.
I could type so much more on this subject, but what's the point of repeating the last 25 posts. But why is DH laying low on this? Just because they don't have a vendor membership doesn't mean they aren't still a member. If I were them, I'd be on this thread explaining something... even if it was a lie lol. Remember MaxRev? They just stopped supporting, and I think they lost some buyers and their confidence in that.
Anyway, good luck.
Anyway, that sucks Prod. Was it actually shipped like that, or was it caused from shipping. It looked like it was originally wrapped in a plastic bag. For people that are trying to prove their quality, it all doesn't look too well. I'd at least expect a clean block for the price. But I wish you luck and hope everything works out for you.
I could type so much more on this subject, but what's the point of repeating the last 25 posts. But why is DH laying low on this? Just because they don't have a vendor membership doesn't mean they aren't still a member. If I were them, I'd be on this thread explaining something... even if it was a lie lol. Remember MaxRev? They just stopped supporting, and I think they lost some buyers and their confidence in that.
Anyway, good luck.
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Rep Power: 313 I'm actually surprised - I thought it would have it least looked like this - 
In case you didn't know, its a picture of one of theri LS B18's off of THEIR web site.....Heck, ALL their short blocks look like this, CLEAN and nice looking....Certainly doesn't look like what they sent you prod.....
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In case you didn't know, its a picture of one of theri LS B18's off of THEIR web site.....Heck, ALL their short blocks look like this, CLEAN and nice looking....Certainly doesn't look like what they sent you prod.....
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Rep Power: 303 I'm amazed at all of this.. truly..
I don't understand how someone could stay in business selling parts like that. It just doesn't seem feasable.
Otherwise--> Hope everything works out ok, prod.. I feel for ya, with the dirty.. Hopefully it's quick as hell and you get what you want..
BTW, Dober is a genius.. just had to get that out.. (It's almost like he knew exactly what was going to happen.. He is definately a Pioneer)
I don't understand how someone could stay in business selling parts like that. It just doesn't seem feasable.
Otherwise--> Hope everything works out ok, prod.. I feel for ya, with the dirty.. Hopefully it's quick as hell and you get what you want..
BTW, Dober is a genius.. just had to get that out.. (It's almost like he knew exactly what was going to happen.. He is definately a Pioneer)
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Rep Power: 313 I finally found out what was up with the clutch today. It simply couldnt hold the power, so the compound came apart and embedded itself into my pressure plate and flywheel. I would recommend that if someone were to use their clutch, that they would get a better pressure plate as well. Probably an ACT xtreme plate or something of the sorts.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Catalyst
I finally found out what was up with the clutch today. It simply couldnt hold the power, so the compound came apart and embedded itself into my pressure plate and flywheel. I would recommend that if someone were to use their clutch, that they would get a better pressure plate as well. Probably an ACT xtreme plate or something of the sorts.
I finally found out what was up with the clutch today. It simply couldnt hold the power, so the compound came apart and embedded itself into my pressure plate and flywheel. I would recommend that if someone were to use their clutch, that they would get a better pressure plate as well. Probably an ACT xtreme plate or something of the sorts.
Dh-racing is takeing care of me and offered to exchange the Dh-racing clutch if needed for something else.
They are not trying to avoid their customers. Got a couple of Pm's from Josh last night. I dont blame him for hanging low right now. He offered $150 to anyone who dyno's his products. Not a bad deal. I have a before boost, after boost and soon to have after boost with TB/IM dyno to post as soon as the machine shop fabricates the spacer for me. The idle air sensor I think is the hold up in fabricating it now.
Just be patient.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by guns
Hey Dober, no reply? You can insult me and then PM me with more insults. Since you are so in to proof. Post a dyno or at least a time slip. Please.
Prove me wrong with facts, not hear say or childish insults.
Hey Dober, no reply? You can insult me and then PM me with more insults. Since you are so in to proof. Post a dyno or at least a time slip. Please.
Prove me wrong with facts, not hear say or childish insults.
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You have some wierd logic man. I think it's pretty god damn smart not to dyno a stock civic with a base SF kit when you've already seen 4 or 5 dynos that all say the same thing. You wanna argue facts how bout saying something other than, "I have dyno numbers and you dont". Sound like a mini DH over here, "Well we have the fastest b16 in the world and you dont". Get real guns, stop polluting this thread with nonsense. I've posted facts all along, go back and read this thread from the beginning.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
You have some wierd logic man. I think it's pretty god damn smart not to dyno a stock civic with a base SF kit when you've already seen 4 or 5 dynos that all say the same thing. You wanna argue facts how bout saying something other than, "I have dyno numbers and you dont". Sound like a mini DH over here, "Well we have the fastest b16 in the world and you dont". Get real guns, stop polluting this thread with nonsense. I've posted facts all along, go back and read this thread from the beginning.
You have some wierd logic man. I think it's pretty god damn smart not to dyno a stock civic with a base SF kit when you've already seen 4 or 5 dynos that all say the same thing. You wanna argue facts how bout saying something other than, "I have dyno numbers and you dont". Sound like a mini DH over here, "Well we have the fastest b16 in the world and you dont". Get real guns, stop polluting this thread with nonsense. I've posted facts all along, go back and read this thread from the beginning.
So no time slips either?
For some expert on how performance works, where is your proof. You bought a turbo have no results to tuneing and you are an expert.
Dont give advise if you dont even try and tune your car.
This is a joke. Too many people think they know more than the people who are actually tuning and fabricating parts for our cars.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
You have some wierd logic man. I think it's pretty god damn smart not to dyno a stock civic with a base SF kit when you've already seen 4 or 5 dynos that all say the same thing. You wanna argue facts how bout saying something other than, "I have dyno numbers and you dont". Sound like a mini DH over here, "Well we have the fastest b16 in the world and you dont". Get real guns, stop polluting this thread with nonsense. I've posted facts all along, go back and read this thread from the beginning.
You have some wierd logic man. I think it's pretty god damn smart not to dyno a stock civic with a base SF kit when you've already seen 4 or 5 dynos that all say the same thing. You wanna argue facts how bout saying something other than, "I have dyno numbers and you dont". Sound like a mini DH over here, "Well we have the fastest b16 in the world and you dont". Get real guns, stop polluting this thread with nonsense. I've posted facts all along, go back and read this thread from the beginning.
To anyone thinking about going turbo, you will need a clutch and pressure plate. Since you have the trany out might as well do a flywheel also.
You are only running 4psi? What a joke. You give advise and are afraid to probably even drive your car to the track to borrow a time slip.
Come on guy. This is a joke.
Why even bother giving advise if you dont run past 4psi and are driving an untuned kit. I bet money you paid someone to bolt your kit on also.
I might not know anything. But at least I am not afraid to get my hands dirty.
Originally posted by guns
I mean a before turbo dyno. Or at least tune it and dyno. How long have you been running your SF kit and not knowing what is going on. I hope you at least hooked up a wideband O2 and checked your fuel. A motec? Something?
So no time slips either?
For some expert on how performance works, where is your proof. You bought a turbo have no results to tuneing and you are an expert.
Dont give advise if you dont even try and tune your car.
This is a joke. Too many people think they know more than the people who are actually tuning and fabricating parts for our cars.
I mean a before turbo dyno. Or at least tune it and dyno. How long have you been running your SF kit and not knowing what is going on. I hope you at least hooked up a wideband O2 and checked your fuel. A motec? Something?
So no time slips either?
For some expert on how performance works, where is your proof. You bought a turbo have no results to tuneing and you are an expert.
Dont give advise if you dont even try and tune your car.
This is a joke. Too many people think they know more than the people who are actually tuning and fabricating parts for our cars.
You are grabbing at something that is not there bro. I have to be running X amount of psi to be an expert? Maybe I'm playing it safe until I install my clutch and get some sort of engine management. What you call a joke I call smart.
I never claimed to know more than Catalyst or Josh get your facts straight if you are gonna come at me.
Originally posted by guns
Why even bother giving advise if you dont run past 4psi and are driving an untuned kit.
Why even bother giving advise if you dont run past 4psi and are driving an untuned kit.
Originally posted by guns
I bet money you paid someone to bolt your kit on also.
I bet money you paid someone to bolt your kit on also.
<------Posted by guns on 3/2/2004:
The plastic vacum distr. piece cracked so had vacum leak. I had the brain box on vacum and it needed to be on the piping. The bottom piping from turbo to intercoller blow off. No map sensor isolator. Bad boost controller. Several small things. But Speed Fetish( another plug for them) hooked me up.
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<------Posted by guns on 3/1/2004:
A note to anyone who plans to do this DIY, dont. It took me 10hours and still no boost. The oil pan is a biatch also. I bolted it all together with no major problem. it just took a long while. Everything is so cramped and you have to relocate a couple of things. Just pay a speed shop to do it for you. I wish I had.
Well thanks for the replies. I am off to Speed Fetish on Houston and pray they can figure it out.
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Not that I need to prove anything to you but, for you own information I installed every piece of my kit with my own two hands. I didn't retreat to my local speed shop for help. You done yet?
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Rep Power: 585 its plain and simple here, DH is a shitttty business and it obviously shows by the lack of research, and the visual pictures we get on this board of CRAP.......if i paid 2700 bucks to get a built short block, it better ****ing have forged brand spankin new pistons and billet brand stinkin new rods, and the whole thing better have been through a parts cleaner...........guns ur such a hardcore DH fan and follow that nothing can pull u away, and those of us who can freaking see the **** they produce and ship as quality workmanship will continue to win any argument and continue to bash until things improve and the claims have become facts
and DH is not the only place that makes stuff for our cars............they might be the only one that advertises.........lets see here CROWER will make RODS....JE will make pistons.....anyone that can sleeve blocks will sleeve a block............head studs....ARP will i called them yesterday.........custom headgasket...cometic will.....head work....crower will make custom everything in the head.....so i dont want to hear ANOTHER WORD about how DH are the people that make everything , my car is a damn good example of everything NON-DH
and DH is not the only place that makes stuff for our cars............they might be the only one that advertises.........lets see here CROWER will make RODS....JE will make pistons.....anyone that can sleeve blocks will sleeve a block............head studs....ARP will i called them yesterday.........custom headgasket...cometic will.....head work....crower will make custom everything in the head.....so i dont want to hear ANOTHER WORD about how DH are the people that make everything , my car is a damn good example of everything NON-DH
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I bought an ACT disc and pressure plate (xtreme stage 2).
I also have 2500 sitting in Josh's hands right now for a turbo shortblock. Hopfully it works out ok. I think my setup will be the breaker in this whole issue.
I bought an ACT disc and pressure plate (xtreme stage 2).
I also have 2500 sitting in Josh's hands right now for a turbo shortblock. Hopfully it works out ok. I think my setup will be the breaker in this whole issue.
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Rep Power: 0 So before getting a turbo you did not know to get a clutch. I never claimed to know everything. I asked for help when needed. I am not content with just spending $3000 on a kit and afraid to go past 4psi.
You are weak and your replies are weak.
Get a life tune your car, get your clutch and grow a pair. If you are afraid trade in your car and buy an EVO.
You are weak and your replies are weak.
Get a life tune your car, get your clutch and grow a pair. If you are afraid trade in your car and buy an EVO.
Originally posted by dober
I don't have a choice the clutch wont hold. Read my other post as to why I didnt have a clutch.
Thank you for posting this.
<------Posted by guns on 3/2/2004:
The plastic vacum distr. piece cracked so had vacum leak. I had the brain box on vacum and it needed to be on the piping. The bottom piping from turbo to intercoller blow off. No map sensor isolator. Bad boost controller. Several small things. But Speed Fetish( another plug for them) hooked me up.
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<------Posted by guns on 3/1/2004:
A note to anyone who plans to do this DIY, dont. It took me 10hours and still no boost. The oil pan is a biatch also. I bolted it all together with no major problem. it just took a long while. Everything is so cramped and you have to relocate a couple of things. Just pay a speed shop to do it for you. I wish I had.
Well thanks for the replies. I am off to Speed Fetish on Houston and pray they can figure it out.
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Not that I need to prove anything to you but, for you own information I installed every piece of my kit with my own two hands. I didn't retreat to my local speed shop for help. You done yet?
I don't have a choice the clutch wont hold. Read my other post as to why I didnt have a clutch.
Thank you for posting this.
<------Posted by guns on 3/2/2004:
The plastic vacum distr. piece cracked so had vacum leak. I had the brain box on vacum and it needed to be on the piping. The bottom piping from turbo to intercoller blow off. No map sensor isolator. Bad boost controller. Several small things. But Speed Fetish( another plug for them) hooked me up.
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<------Posted by guns on 3/1/2004:
A note to anyone who plans to do this DIY, dont. It took me 10hours and still no boost. The oil pan is a biatch also. I bolted it all together with no major problem. it just took a long while. Everything is so cramped and you have to relocate a couple of things. Just pay a speed shop to do it for you. I wish I had.
Well thanks for the replies. I am off to Speed Fetish on Houston and pray they can figure it out.
<------End Post
Not that I need to prove anything to you but, for you own information I installed every piece of my kit with my own two hands. I didn't retreat to my local speed shop for help. You done yet?
Originally posted by guns
So before getting a turbo you did not know to get a clutch. I never claimed to know everything. I asked for help when needed. I am not content with just spending $3000 on a kit and afraid to go past 4psi.
You are weak and your replies are weak.
Get a life tune your car, get your clutch and grow a pair. If you are afraid trade in your car and buy an EVO.
So before getting a turbo you did not know to get a clutch. I never claimed to know everything. I asked for help when needed. I am not content with just spending $3000 on a kit and afraid to go past 4psi.
You are weak and your replies are weak.
Get a life tune your car, get your clutch and grow a pair. If you are afraid trade in your car and buy an EVO.
