About this whole DH love/hate thing
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Originally posted by maxsin
I have no opinion on this issue.
But, I am wondering what kind of work DH does besides the P&P? If the numbers and price is good, it might be a substitute for the SF turbo that is not street legal, yet. I don't know, I would still love to hear the sound of the BOV...
I have no opinion on this issue.
But, I am wondering what kind of work DH does besides the P&P? If the numbers and price is good, it might be a substitute for the SF turbo that is not street legal, yet. I don't know, I would still love to hear the sound of the BOV...
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by civic01vtec
Actually they did dyno their kit......but as far as Catalyst 300whp.....i don't buy that either. He keeps saying that he will post the dyno sheet and a vid and that was 2 months ago. You know what i heard.......the rumor i heard is that Catalyst blew his motor. Don't know if it is true or not, but i heard it though the grapevine and that came from one of his buddies.
And as far as Catalyst making 300whp with just a PnP head.
I am willing to bet that he had extra work done to that head besides a PnP.
Actually they did dyno their kit......but as far as Catalyst 300whp.....i don't buy that either. He keeps saying that he will post the dyno sheet and a vid and that was 2 months ago. You know what i heard.......the rumor i heard is that Catalyst blew his motor. Don't know if it is true or not, but i heard it though the grapevine and that came from one of his buddies.
And as far as Catalyst making 300whp with just a PnP head.
I am willing to bet that he had extra work done to that head besides a PnP.
SO why is someone crying about estimated HP claims from one company and buys products on claimed HP from another..
Sounds like bandwagon jumping...
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Rep Power: 607 Originally posted by guns
Please pm me with the link to results of 11psi.. w/out PnP... yet they claim hp figures..
SO why is someone crying about estimated HP claims from one company and buys products on claimed HP from another..
Sounds like bandwagon jumping...
Please pm me with the link to results of 11psi.. w/out PnP... yet they claim hp figures..
SO why is someone crying about estimated HP claims from one company and buys products on claimed HP from another..
Sounds like bandwagon jumping...
So really, they never came on here claiming a specific whp gain.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Stafford Fabrication
horsepower numbers are derived from the equation (torque * RPM)/5250
When the clutch only holds 200 ft.lbs, the whp does not read correctly. With the clutch slipping from 3800 RPM til redline, the car still made 235 whp. With the new clutch installed, it should have no problem making 260 whp. At the highest, it will probably touch 300. And make about 250-265 ft/lbs.
horsepower numbers are derived from the equation (torque * RPM)/5250
When the clutch only holds 200 ft.lbs, the whp does not read correctly. With the clutch slipping from 3800 RPM til redline, the car still made 235 whp. With the new clutch installed, it should have no problem making 260 whp. At the highest, it will probably touch 300. And make about 250-265 ft/lbs.
But they do make estimated HP claims..
Originally posted by guns
Ok cool.. BUt he has a SF turbo kit and SF give estamated HP.. It has been months and SF says they will dyno at 11psi as soon as they get a new clutch.. Damn how long does it take to get a new clutch.. SO dober bought a SF kit based on estimated HP figures... Isn't that the same as DH-racing is doing..
If he trusts in his SF kit then why not trust DH.. If you read SF's(Catalyst's) posts he claims an estimated 300hp on his stage 2 kit..
What is stage 2? It is SF+DH= estimated 300hp...
It just seems that people are on some bandwagon of complaining.. if you are not out money then why cry about it.. Just sit back while others around you are working on there cars..
Oh BTW I do not know **** about cars.. I bolted on my own turbo kit and had help tuning it..
I like to learn the hard way.. But in the end I learn and understand how things work.. I do not just drop off my car for a week and pick it up tuned and running fast.. When there is a problem I want to know how it went on so I know how it works... So before people jump on my *** for being new.. Ya I am white, I live in a trailor park and I am mentaly retarded..
So keep it on the post..
Ok cool.. BUt he has a SF turbo kit and SF give estamated HP.. It has been months and SF says they will dyno at 11psi as soon as they get a new clutch.. Damn how long does it take to get a new clutch.. SO dober bought a SF kit based on estimated HP figures... Isn't that the same as DH-racing is doing..
If he trusts in his SF kit then why not trust DH.. If you read SF's(Catalyst's) posts he claims an estimated 300hp on his stage 2 kit..
What is stage 2? It is SF+DH= estimated 300hp...
It just seems that people are on some bandwagon of complaining.. if you are not out money then why cry about it.. Just sit back while others around you are working on there cars..
Oh BTW I do not know **** about cars.. I bolted on my own turbo kit and had help tuning it..
I like to learn the hard way.. But in the end I learn and understand how things work.. I do not just drop off my car for a week and pick it up tuned and running fast.. When there is a problem I want to know how it went on so I know how it works... So before people jump on my *** for being new.. Ya I am white, I live in a trailor park and I am mentaly retarded..
So keep it on the post..
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Rep Power: 607 ^^^ Yes, and i think that is total
but they are not trying to sell anything with those claims
Edit: this is towards guns comment about SF making hp claims above dober's post
but they are not trying to sell anything with those claims
Edit: this is towards guns comment about SF making hp claims above dober's post
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
SF had dyno numbers before I bought my kit last August chief. I'm not crying I said what I had to say if you still want to buy their **** then that is up to you. If you claim to not know **** about cars then why are you posting like you do? I won't even comment on the "kids" comment people who know me know what's up. I really don't care what you think.
SF had dyno numbers before I bought my kit last August chief. I'm not crying I said what I had to say if you still want to buy their **** then that is up to you. If you claim to not know **** about cars then why are you posting like you do? I won't even comment on the "kids" comment people who know me know what's up. I really don't care what you think.
BTW: I say I dont know anything. Because so many people on here already know everything.. Why compete with them.. I would rather be seen as knowing nothing..
Skyline R33
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EX vtec engine.. Greddy EVO catback.. IK22 plugs.. 10psi..
I know I was running lean.. But it was not really dangerously lean..
I was expecting 225hp with my setup..
My 10psi looks really close to the claimed 8psi run.. I want to see his dyno.. Might be a little more boost than 8psi?
makes you wonder...
EX vtec engine.. Greddy EVO catback.. IK22 plugs.. 10psi..
I know I was running lean.. But it was not really dangerously lean..
I was expecting 225hp with my setup..
My 10psi looks really close to the claimed 8psi run.. I want to see his dyno.. Might be a little more boost than 8psi?
makes you wonder...
Originally posted by guns
I am not bashing SF in any way.. But all company give estimated HP.. Every car is going to be a little different depending on your mods..
But they do make estimated HP claims..
I am not bashing SF in any way.. But all company give estimated HP.. Every car is going to be a little different depending on your mods..
But they do make estimated HP claims..
Expect HUGE Gains. Im talking 20-30 at the wheels for sure
Sounds like a guaranteed 20 to 30 whp from Josh at DH. In no way does that sound like an estimation.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
SF had dyno numbers before I bought my kit last August chief. I'm not crying I said what I had to say if you still want to buy their **** then that is up to you. If you claim to not know **** about cars then why are you posting like you do? I won't even comment on the "kids" comment people who know me know what's up. I really don't care what you think.
SF had dyno numbers before I bought my kit last August chief. I'm not crying I said what I had to say if you still want to buy their **** then that is up to you. If you claim to not know **** about cars then why are you posting like you do? I won't even comment on the "kids" comment people who know me know what's up. I really don't care what you think.
Prove me wrong..
You bash one company.
Yet support a friend of that company(DH) who does the same thing..
These cars are too new and there is just not that much info out there.. DH-Racing never claimed to have dyno'd their car.. They said it should make.. not it did make..
But I will make this my last post about this..
Please feel free to PM me with those dyno's or just post them..
I dont think you were a member here when it was posted. I'm not going to take the time to search for it because it is common knowledge to anyone that was a member back then. All you have to know is I bought my kit after it was already PROVEN to make the claimed HP at 8 PSI on an EX.
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Rep Power: 811 guns, that dyno doesn't look right for 10psi. More and more I'm feeling better about not getting an SF kit right away. I can't deal with risking engine damage or getting a kit with missing parts, etc. But hey, as long as it's dyno proven...
The reason I chose DH is due to me wanting to keep my car a very long time. I'm not looking to turn my car into a race machine. If I can get it to the level of an Si as far as speed, I'll be very happy.
On another note, I went to my Honda dealer today to get some supplies. Bought antifreeze, oil, and filter. I also asked about the bolts holding the head on. At first he was confused, but then I said for a head swap. He immediately knew which bolts I meant and told me you ALWAYS replace those bolts when swapping the head. So I went ahead and ordered 10 at $9 each. Should be close to $100 total. I'm gonna order that nippon leakless head gasket from majestic honda online as well.
The reason I chose DH is due to me wanting to keep my car a very long time. I'm not looking to turn my car into a race machine. If I can get it to the level of an Si as far as speed, I'll be very happy.
On another note, I went to my Honda dealer today to get some supplies. Bought antifreeze, oil, and filter. I also asked about the bolts holding the head on. At first he was confused, but then I said for a head swap. He immediately knew which bolts I meant and told me you ALWAYS replace those bolts when swapping the head. So I went ahead and ordered 10 at $9 each. Should be close to $100 total. I'm gonna order that nippon leakless head gasket from majestic honda online as well.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by dober
I dont think you were a member here when it was posted. I'm not going to take the time to search for it because it is common knowledge to anyone that was a member back then. All you have to know is I bought my kit after it was already PROVEN to make the claimed HP at 8 PSI on an EX.
I dont think you were a member here when it was posted. I'm not going to take the time to search for it because it is common knowledge to anyone that was a member back then. All you have to know is I bought my kit after it was already PROVEN to make the claimed HP at 8 PSI on an EX.
Please prove me wrong.. I am actually worried about my numbers..
Originally posted by guns
please show proof at 8psi for their claims.. There are NONE... Why would they delete it if there was one.. I did a search and check the ride gallery.. I only saw 5.5 and 11
Please prove me wrong.. I am actually worried about my numbers..
please show proof at 8psi for their claims.. There are NONE... Why would they delete it if there was one.. I did a search and check the ride gallery.. I only saw 5.5 and 11
Please prove me wrong.. I am actually worried about my numbers..
Skyline R33
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Contact the X-files unit..
The case of the missing dyno...
If they claim it on their website, why would they not post the proof on thier site?
No bashing just curious, why some people would spend hours backing up one company and spend hours slamming another..
The case of the missing dyno...
If they claim it on their website, why would they not post the proof on thier site?
No bashing just curious, why some people would spend hours backing up one company and spend hours slamming another..
There was a post @8psi. I also remember seeing it. And I also remember seeing the 11psi clutch slip dyno. This site isnt free and does not have unlimited space.. so old things get tossed. It happened, I saw it, so did other older members. Deal with it.
~nick~
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And BTW, I didnt read a single post were people were "slaming" anyone, just stating FACTS about dynos not being posted, FACTS on hp that was claimed to be made and FACTS on a dyno sheet that many of us saw.
~nick~
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Rep Power: 811 That's because those posts were deleted. I saw them and it was getting pretty bad. Glad things are shaping up now. The guy who was gonna install my head is in the hospital now, so assuming the head gets here soon, it probably will be another month before I can post results.
I'm leaning more towards not installing the pulley. It just seems like it wasn't made correctly for our cars. Who knows if that spacer will cause even more problems. So far noone has gotten it to work right. I'm hoping the head will be better.
I'm leaning more towards not installing the pulley. It just seems like it wasn't made correctly for our cars. Who knows if that spacer will cause even more problems. So far noone has gotten it to work right. I'm hoping the head will be better.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Why wouldn't Sf have saved the dyno in the member ride section? They saved the 5.5psi dyno..
BTW DH-Racing does have dyno results.. It's called SF Turbo Kit stage 2..
Catalyst posted results w/ DH-Intake manifold and DH-PnP head..
The results at 5psi were damn good.. They are making as much HP at 5psi w/ DH-racing heads, as I am making at 10psi stock..
I would call that dyno proof..
So it looks like the only dyno proof that SF saved is the results w/ DH-racing stage 2 kit..
Thats why I bought products from both companies.
BTW DH-Racing does have dyno results.. It's called SF Turbo Kit stage 2..
Catalyst posted results w/ DH-Intake manifold and DH-PnP head..
The results at 5psi were damn good.. They are making as much HP at 5psi w/ DH-racing heads, as I am making at 10psi stock..
I would call that dyno proof..
So it looks like the only dyno proof that SF saved is the results w/ DH-racing stage 2 kit..
Thats why I bought products from both companies.
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Rep Power: 607 ^^^ Mike also had a upgraded turbo and bigger FMIC........and i am willing to bet that he had more work done to his head than just a PnP.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by civic01vtec
^^^ Mike also had a upgraded turbo and bigger FMIC........and i am willing to bet that he had more work done to his head than just a PnP.
^^^ Mike also had a upgraded turbo and bigger FMIC........and i am willing to bet that he had more work done to his head than just a PnP.
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Rep Power: 312 I dont have any work done other than the PnP. I do have an engine management system that i installed about 3 weeks ago. So that does help out a bit. but those original numbers with my clutch slipping were without the EMS.
I do have the bigger turbo (bigger than most of you think) 3" downpipe with some special work done to it, 30" x 9" x 3" intercooler, and a bitchin BOV. Then i have the portwork. But as for internals, i dont even have so much as a block guard. I will prove it with pictures when i actually do upgrade the internals.
and as for this
I worked on the car. I know it exists. Not trying to sway any opinions, just straightening that out.
I do have the bigger turbo (bigger than most of you think) 3" downpipe with some special work done to it, 30" x 9" x 3" intercooler, and a bitchin BOV. Then i have the portwork. But as for internals, i dont even have so much as a block guard. I will prove it with pictures when i actually do upgrade the internals.
and as for this
And now they have a 10 sec. all motor street car that we have no proof of.
