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Hi, Noob here, just picked up a cherry NHB 04 ES2 Sedan w/ only 120k on the clock.

Been checking around, lurking, reading, gathering as much information as I can.

Decided to make this my inaugural post [sic] Don't know if this belongs in wheels & tires, because I think the question has a little bit to do with both, wheels & tires & suspension...as well as fitment...

So, I want to put together a staggered setup.

I know the OEM wheel can fit 17x7's all around...but I want to go smaller diameter 16's in the front, but with the same width 7 inches to keep the same contact patch to the ground.

AND...

I want to do this all on stock suspension...

well, maybe spacers...i'm looking for that flush fit, as little amount of panel gap to tire as I can get...maybe a few cm poke but nothing outrageous, no offense to camber squad, but I'm not a fan of the tucked look

apologies if this is in the wrong section, feel free to replace if necessary, want to know if anyone has run this setup and what issues (if any) they may have faced...

please advise!

Thanks!

FBC

 
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Welcome to the forum. Just a few things I want to talk about:

Staggered setup more commonly refers to the width of the wheels. For example, someone may run 18x8 wheels in the front, and then 18x10 wheels in the back. I'm not sure what benefit would be yielded from having smaller rims in the front - maybe slight weight savings?

As far as stock suspension, it will work, but it'll look like a monster truck. Aftermarket wheels on stock suspension never look good.

This isn't meant to discourage you. It's your car and you're entitled to do whatever you want. This is just the opinion of a guy behind a keyboard. Either way, let's see some pics of your ride.

 
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for width, rears were the restriction, I think it was 215 section max

curiosity: Why 16 front and 17 rear?

don't go spacer, they can be risky. Select wheels by off-set. The issue is that you can't go back if it don't work.

 
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Hey all, thanks for the feedback!

So, the internizzles is your friendizzle rizzle? Wrong.........after searching high and low for the type of fitment I described in my post, I finally broke down and started making calls to tire/wheel shops both local chains and national retail chains. After a dozen or so research calls, FITMENT INUSTRIES comes through with the information.

Apparently, what I described above doing is what's known as a raked wheel setup. Makes sense, the larger wheel diameter in the rear lifts the *** of the car higher, the smaller front diameter drops the nose of the car down. Seems to not be seen a lot in street cars, let alone front wheel drive 7th gen sedans. This type of setup is more popular with RWD drag machines. Makes sense, obviously the *** to nose drop in "attack angle," creates greater nose down force as a vehicle cuts through the air for that ever elusive 12 second quarter.

So, why am I doing this? Like you said Chezboat24, its my party and i'll run a raked setup on my FWD, 127 (um, yeah) hp daily driver, if I want to...

and honestly, because its unique and I'm really not into the super slammed, insane negative camber, tucked under, crazy poke insanity of the modern tuner suspension zeitgeist.

Thats also why i'm running this on the stock suspension. After picking the fitment industries agent's brain for over an hour about this topic, and him deftly navigating me through the labyrinthian possibilities of suspension/drivetrain destruction I could be putting upon my car, running stock seems like the smart thing to do as a start for this experiment.

So, i've gone ahead and pulled the trigger on a raked set of wheels, 17x7.5 rears wrapped in BF Goody's Advantage Control 215/45R17's (24.7x8.5) and 16x7 fronts wrapped in the same BF Goody Advantage Control 205/50R16 (24.1x8.1)

A couple things, I am obviously not going to try and turn the batmobile into a fwd dragger. So for me, the whole idea of the raked setup is purely cosmetic, that does come with some other benefits. Since the rear wheel's aren't driven, the added weight they have is a welcome plus to help keep that *** end tame. The larger contact patch should give some added traction, and because the drive wheels are at the front, the slightly taller aspect ratio @ 50% of 205mm should afford better grip (for that ever important stop light hole shot) for better control in the corners, and greater comfort and agility. The wider contact patch (like the rears) should give better traction overall also.

A note about running this setup stock suspension. The wheels i've selected should be at a good amount enough offset to get me as best as it can to that flush fit look....if all works well, stock suspended, raked wheel setup, flush fit.

IF, it feels weird, or etc...etc..,

its a good excuse for a suspension upgrade...(tru hart street plus coilover's!)...

Eh, who am I kidding, i'll probbly be getting the sus upgrade soon enough.

Anyway, that's the plan stan...ley's....

Wheels & Tires in about a month or so....pics of that to come soon...

For now, the batmobile in all her stock 15 inch OEM Honda Rims Glory

 
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Ah, like I said, I asked for curiosity to see if there was a reason.
I changed your title to raked setup, might make it easier for others.

Note that FWD need traction in the front, not in the rear.
also, the tire section is measured at the wider section of the tire. 50 aspect ratio is a rounder cavity shape tire vs a 45 aspect ratio. What this means is that the actual contact patch is actually larger than 215 minus 205.

So, a couple of tips for better handling:

1. try to get a rear antiroll bar from a RSX. RSX-S is even better - thicker - direct fit
2. If keeping suspension stock, consider using camber bolts in the front and use -1.5 degrees camber in the front, leave rears as is. Rear have large negative camber gains as it compresses meaning high understeer.
3. If getting coilovers, if possible get ones with camber adjustment and higher rear spring ratio. I don't think truhart have them listed. Also, if you don't plan on getting slammed, it's best to look for moderate spring rates - Tein looks a good one. Look into CarID, they had a good selection of offerings

 
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Would like to see pics once the wheels are on.

Another thing to note, differing overall tire sizes front to rear may cause issues with ABS. I have no idea what kind of difference would start causing issues if at all, but something to note.

 
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205/55 front and 205/50 in the rear, same rim size (I had to use a temporary solution once) did make the ABS go crazy and activate it every braking event, no matter how light it was

 
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Interesting. That's a 23.9" diameter front tire with a 23.1" diameter rear tire.

 
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Yeah this isn't going to work unless you plan on disabling the abs system

 
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or use similar diameter tires (not rim size, tire)
even staggered setups use similar tire OD from manufacturer

 
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Yeah, after getting into it with the snakes from feetment industries, asking the questions you bring up, i decided not to go this route, too many potential problems down the road...thanks for the input gents!