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Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

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Recently I backed down a gravel driveway and ended up bottoming out the chassis but only on the driver side (front and rear). About 5,000 miles later (this week), probably unrelated, I started to get a vibration. I mention the earlier incident to see if that would spark any strut comments. Could this be the Strut? Transmission? Converter? Anything helps. Rotated and balanced tires twice since incident and the later rotation and balance was right after I noticed these symptoms...

Symptoms:

Between 35-40 mph, vibration or shudder (seems to be left-front)
@ about 1700-2000 RPM (tach bounces between 1900 and 2000)
Acceleration or letting off the gas makes it go away.
No vibration during braking, perfect alignment...

Replaced Sway Bar, inspected struts, inspected CV joints, replaced axle driver side, and balanced and rotated tires and problem is still there!

PLEASE, if you have any ideas or comments do share. I am lost.

If it is the transmission, how much does it cost to rebuild and how much does it cost to replace?

2004 Honda Civic EX A/T with 97,500 miles.
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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

When I put new plugs in, new belts, water pump, blah blah they also flushed the transmission. Could it be that they didnt use OEM Honda ATF and whatever they put in is not working well with it?

Anyone ever have any issues with ATF and this 04 A/T?

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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

the atfs are weak for 01-05, but some get lucky. the only fluid you should be using is honda dw1 (replaces z1) or valvoline maxlife dex/merc (without the stop leak additive). if you put the wrong fluid, just drain and fill a few times with the new stuff.
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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

Just to follow up:

I went to the Honda Dealership and they suggested I put in a new transmission (at a low cost of $3,600 haha).

I explained to them that I had a flush in May (now Sept) and that I fear the fluid isnt Honda OEM.

They flushed the transmission and the TC and included an additive. The car runs fine and has for 3 weeks (about 2,500 miles).

If anything changes, I will let you know.

Lesson...

If it isnt broke, dont fix it. AND only use Honda OEM ATF.

Thank you all for your help!

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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

Update (Nov '11):

Car now has 103,000 miles. Runs GREAT! (for now).

No slip, no vibration. Good as new.

@Gearbox...

You mentioned that 01-05 A/Ts are crap. I got a letter from the dealer offering me $7,000 for my car. KBB says $7,500 (for Excellent Condition)

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-Clear Title
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-All electronics work
-A/C is COLD

Do you recomend I dump this 7th gen due the POS A/T? If I trade it in, what generation / model do you recommend. I love my civic but I do not want to be a sucker when the transmission goes at 110k.

I value your opinion. I read where you mention an 85% failure rate.



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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

I assume the car's all paid off, yes?

If so, you have to ask yourself this: Do I want to be stuck paying $200+ bill and higher insurance costs? In other words, do I want to be in debt again?

Personally for me, if the car's in good enough condition (meaning it runs without major issues) then I'm gonna milk it. Even if it breaks down it's cheaper to spend $1000 for a rebuild than it is to spend $15-20K for a new car. And in the mean time I'm gonna save my money for a rainy day (house, possibly another car, motorcycle..haha, x-mas gift to myself, etc.).

Car's a car....gets you from point A to point B.

I would only buy if the car got stolen or totaled in an accident.

That's just my take on it.
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I assume the car's all paid off, yes?

If so, you have to ask yourself this: Do I want to be stuck paying $200+ bill and higher insurance costs? In other words, do I want to be in debt again?

Personally for me, if the car's in good enough condition (meaning it runs without major issues) then I'm gonna milk it. Even if it breaks down it's cheaper to spend $1000 for a rebuild than it is to spend $15-20K for a new car. And in the mean time I'm gonna save my money for a rainy day (house, possibly another car, motorcycle..haha, x-mas gift to myself, etc.).

Car's a car....gets you from point A to point B.

I would only buy if the car got stolen or totaled in an accident.

That's just my take on it.
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I appreciate the input and yes, the car is paid off. No, I do not want my insurance to go up (I am under 25 yr old) and of course I do not want a payment. But, the offer on the table is pretty good and I only paid $9k for it when it had 62k on it. You have definitely put things into perspective. My only concern with the car is the A/T. When the transmission goes, will it really only cost $1,000 to rebuild? My main concern is that if the transmission goes...my car will instantly loose value and I will have to buy a car quickly (without the luxury of shopping around). I guess I was really just wanting to know how risky it is to hang on to this '04 EX Coupe. Mostly highway miles... What style of driving is toughest on a transmission?

I love the car. I love the style, the ride, the mpg and it has a relatively low ownership cost. It wont really need any maintenance for at least another 25-35k. Tires have 40k on them but still are good to go for the winter.

I have the opportunity (pretty good trade value) and I just wanted to do my research before I take it or pass it up.

BTW, my next car would def. be a Honda. Maybe a CRZ??? (Any thoughts about the CRZ?)

Thanks for the input!!!! I appreciate the time you took to reply.
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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

if the trans is not slipping from a cold start, then you will be fine for a long time. even slipping does not mean it will die right away. highway driving is very easy on the trans. city driving where the gears constantly switch is borderline abusive. every shift builds more heat, and the hotter it gets, the more deposits start to form and the fluid gets degraded faster. try to shift into neutral when you are stopped at a light so the trans can cool off a bit.
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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

This is an old thread but I thought I would reply as the information here helped me with nearly the exact same problem.

I have a 2003 Civic EX sedan AT 109k. I was getting a random (sometimes only a few times a day) issue where the front end was suddenly vibrating, or shuddering, sort of like when you roll over a cattle guard or really bad washboard road. It had no trigger, but mostly happened when the car was in 4th gear, around 1800 -2000rpm and just cruising around 35-40mpg (typical in town driving).

I checked and rotated the tires, had the front struts replaced, had a mechanic look at it for 2 days, nothing. I did a valve adjustment, this helped with a slight hesitation feeling I was getting, but didnt fix the shudder. Last thing I did, was have the transmission flushed with Honda compliant fluid and replaced with the same Honda compliant fluid. As the days went by the issue was less and less frequent. After 1 week the shudder issue was gone. It's been 1 month now and I haven't had the issue since. So my guess is bad or wrong tranny fluid was in there. Thanks to this forum for providing a solution.
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Re: Vibration: 35-40mph, 1700-2000 RPM HELP!

@bootsakah, glad this post could help. When I first encountered this problem I could not find any posts that had a solution.

Here is an update on my car @ ~16,000 miles after issue!

Update (May '12):

Car now has 113,000 miles and I have had no transmission issues!!!!!

I had the dealer contact me again trying to buy the car for $6,800 (trade or cash). After putting 15k+ on the transmission after the flush I am confident that the issue was resolved -- so I think I'll hang onto it.

http://automobiles.honda.com/mile-ma...spx?Story=1366

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-Tires are at about 20% (old APR 2010 tires)
-Clear Title, Clean inside and out
-One small dent on driver's side door (grrrrrrr)
-New Plugs, Timeing Belt, Water Pump, Coolant Flush @ 95k
-1 yr average of 36 mpg combined; Peak 42 mpg & Low of 30 mpg.

@GearBox,

Any recomendations for future maintanance my car may require? I have been lucky with the O2 sensor and the alternator so far... VTEC solenoid sensor seems to be a common issue from what I have read.

I am aiming for 300k so any tips would be appreciated!
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https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...e-up-mods.html

and get rid of that K&N filter asap. unless you only like 92% filtration instead of >99%
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Yes get rid of the car. That auto trans is like a grenade waiting to blow, especially since you have already had an issue with it. Tell the dealer you want 7G. Then buy your self a nice 5spd 7th gen from a private seller.
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https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...e-up-mods.html

and get rid of that K&N filter asap. unless you only like 92% filtration instead of >99%

"A clogged solenoid screen (usually from using a K&N air filter that lets in too much dirt), will cause the check engine light to come on if enough oil is blocked" -- Noted. Thanks!!
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i HAVE A 2003 CIVIC EX 4DR that is showing signs of slipping from a cold start. Every time starting from and putting gas on pedal the car really sttuters/vibrates and makes an awfulugly noise nobody would wanna hear. Itdoes that and takes off and then no problem. Only happens when you are at stop sign and giving gas to the car.The noise seems like two metals crashing/rubbing/scratching noise with each other when putting legs on pedal to give gas.

Is this a Solenoid Problem? Solenoid Switches
Is this a slipping/ torque converter/clutch issue
Is the computer reading it all wrong. Possibly a bad computer that controls the transmission.

Would having a trans flush with OEM Honda Fluid do any better!!!!.. I have seen others have success with using OEM HONDA fluids and having a flush on this thread. I am just skeptical!!!!!!!...some old theories/ beliefs just dont die!!!!!..i have been taught to not have a flush/fluid change for TRANSMISSIONS ONLY. tHIS HAS STUCK WITH ME FOREVER.

What do you think. Should i Have a trans fluid flush for my transmission. Its an auto transmission with 175k rebuilt just 15,000 miles ago with many major new parts like Torque Converter,h owever, it was not done at a dealership but with a mechanic and 12,000 mi warranty was the most.
All problems happened starting at 15,000 mi after rebuilt.

What do you suggest i do gearbox. I value your opinion.








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if the trans is not slipping from a cold start, then you will be fine for a long time. even slipping does not mean it will die right away. highway driving is very easy on the trans. city driving where the gears constantly switch is borderline abusive. every shift builds more heat, and the hotter it gets, the more deposits start to form and the fluid gets degraded faster. try to shift into neutral when you are stopped at a light so the trans can cool off a bit.
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rebuilds will never be the same and wont last either. not much you can do other than drain/fill (no flush) the fluid and hope for the best.
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those older civics have a removable filter, (Does 03 civic (7th Gen) have it?).
i wouldnt do anything except maybe change the filter. new fluid may cause slipping.
Dtown101 says: It is good to change the fluid. you just dont change it like you do your oil.
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just drive with whatever is in there til it dies. if you change now, more than likely the gears will start slipping (Is that true for 7th Gen honda civics)
03 civic ex A/T transmission is starting to "clunk" a little between gears.I am concerned about the clunky shifting which is showing up mainly between 1st and 2nd gear. The gears just never fall in place a& you can drive upto 10mi without having a shift in gears just by pulling off and on your feet from the gas pedal. The car on the freeway will continue moving at a not to exceed 45mi/hr but never really still fall in gear from 1st to 2nd? is that really dangerous? what could be causing it? Are there any fluid additives that might help prevent trouble in an old tranny after a change to new fluid? the ATF on the dipstick is clean and red with no burnt smell, the fluid level is fine and it's not leaking anywhere

Sorry but i wanted to keep all my tranny posts in one place so its understandable and i can have a solution to my problem. Hopefully.


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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
yeah drop the pan and see what it looks like. if things are mostly clean, do a drain and fill with new filter. im pretty sure those older civics have a removable filter. if there is lots of dirt and the fluid is gritty, i wouldnt do anything except maybe change the filter. new fluid may cause slipping.
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well if its red, seems someone already changed it before you bought the car, probably with generic fluid. you could try switching slowly to valvoline maxlife dex/merc atf which is the only good atf rated for use in older honda trans that shouldnt cause problems. it will improve shift quality and work well. maybe do a single drain and fill first to see what happens, then a few weeks later a second drain and fill. you usually only change 1/2 the fluid capacity each time because a good amount stays inside the trans.

Thanks, GB. I bought the car new in 1991, so there are no former owners. Just me. However, since 1991 I have moved about 6 times (in and out of 4 different states), and to be honest I have lost most of my maintenance records. You are right, though. I may have had the ATF changed more than once or twice in the last 21 years! I just don't recall! I may take your advice though and try dropping the pan and changing the fluid.

Funny thing is, I just put a new set of Michelin tires on it, so now the tires are probably worth more than than car........

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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
well if its red, seems someone already changed it before you bought the car, probably with generic fluid. you could try switching slowly to valvoline maxlife dex/merc atf which is the only good atf rated for use in older honda trans that shouldnt cause problems. it will improve shift quality and work well. maybe do a single drain and fill first to see what happens, then a few weeks later a second drain and fill. you usually only change 1/2 the fluid capacity each time because a good amount stays inside the trans.
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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
Thanks for all the input/feedback.

At this point I still have not changed the fluid. The fluid level is fine and it's not leaking anywhere so I am inclined to leave it alone. The ATF on the dipstick is clean and red with no burnt smell, but I am concerned about the clunky shifting which is showing up mainly between 2nd and 3rd gear.

I just don't want to make more trouble for myself if I don't have to.

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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
It is good to change the fluid. you just dont change it like you do your oil. i mean think about it is a working gear system and it is going to wear over time just like anything else. Dont add anything to it because then you are mixing things and that isnt good. even if it is lucas. only add it if you are putting new oil in.

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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
My son's Civic had 240,000 km on it when I changed the transmission fluid for the first time last summer. I changed it three times over a three week period while he was at home. I have to admit that for the first two months, the shifting was actually more stiff. Now it is smooth as butter and he has not had any problems with it. I say change it.

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no do not add anything to the fluid.
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Re: Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
@ gearbox - thanks for the advice! Is it a bad idea to add an "extender" to the existing fluid? I was considering adding a little "Lucas Transmission Fix" (slip stop) to the existing fluid. The transmission is starting to "clunk" a little between gears.

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he is right, just drive with whatever is in there til it dies. if you change now, more than likely the gears will start slipping and you will soon be buying a new one.
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Xmission Fluid Change (Yes or No)?
I just took my 91 Civic LX in for an oil change and tune-up. It has 128K miles on it. I also asked the mechanic to change the tranny fluid. However, when I picked up the car he said he preferred to NOT change the tranny fluid. He said when a transmission has that many miles on it, I could be asking for trouble to change the fluid. To be honest I can't recall the last time I had the xmission fluid changed, but it had to be a least 50K miles ago. Any opinions on whether it would be safe to change the fluid? Are there any fluid additives that might help prevent trouble in an old tranny after a change to new fluid?









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