i was talking to my buddy about my turbo...
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i was talking to my buddy about my turbo...
hes a mechanic and I explained to him how I cant get a grip on the floor at takeoff.. he told me to get full suspension and ill be fine..
this is the full coilover kit.. he said teins.. is this true??? will this solve my problems.. cause I highly doubt it...
this is the full coilover kit.. he said teins.. is this true??? will this solve my problems.. cause I highly doubt it...
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a full suspension should help...but i need to see your launch....
if your mech is suggesting new footwork my guess would have to be that you're having a weight transfer issue...being able to tune your dampeners should solve the problem if that is the problem...but again i would have to see your launch.
if your mech is suggesting new footwork my guess would have to be that you're having a weight transfer issue...being able to tune your dampeners should solve the problem if that is the problem...but again i would have to see your launch.
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Stiffen it up in the front - perhaps an xbrace and front sway in addition to the teins...that'll keep wheel hop down. Also I'm no launch expert but rubber would be a big consideration as well no?
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right...by stiffen up the front you will for more weight to go back letting the front grip...make your rear dampers softer to allow for the weight to transfer...
i think rubber would help, but only after the dampeners are in...
but i dont get how the xbrace or strut bar would help in this situation...its a case of load no?
i think rubber would help, but only after the dampeners are in...
but i dont get how the xbrace or strut bar would help in this situation...its a case of load no?
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You guys have it the wrong way. By stiffening the rear... you allowing less transfered weight to leave the front... this puts more weight down on the front wheels and prevents wheel hop and burning out.
ie... when you stomp on the gas... the front raises up and the back sits lower. This would cause you to loose traction on your drive wheels because there's less weight on them. In theory... you want to put more weight in the front of you car when launching so maximum traction is achieved.
This is why rear wheel drive and all wheel drive vehicles have the advantage when it comes to launching. When they stomp on the gas, a lot of the cars weight gets pushed to the rear suspension which causes the rear wheels to grip rather then spin out.
If you look at Front Wheel Drive drag cars, you'll notice that their suspension setup sits the front end really low and the rear end higher up. You'll also notice that the rear suspension is extremely stiff.
Anyways, inorder for you to achieve better launches, suspension is important but you wanna stiffen the rear more then the front. There are other things you can do like getting some motor mount inserts, definatly new rubber, and look into an LSD.
ie... when you stomp on the gas... the front raises up and the back sits lower. This would cause you to loose traction on your drive wheels because there's less weight on them. In theory... you want to put more weight in the front of you car when launching so maximum traction is achieved.
This is why rear wheel drive and all wheel drive vehicles have the advantage when it comes to launching. When they stomp on the gas, a lot of the cars weight gets pushed to the rear suspension which causes the rear wheels to grip rather then spin out.
If you look at Front Wheel Drive drag cars, you'll notice that their suspension setup sits the front end really low and the rear end higher up. You'll also notice that the rear suspension is extremely stiff.
Anyways, inorder for you to achieve better launches, suspension is important but you wanna stiffen the rear more then the front. There are other things you can do like getting some motor mount inserts, definatly new rubber, and look into an LSD.
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Good points R1, but IMO there's not much to stiffen in rear after a coilover kit, except rear upper and lower ties, and rear sway. The tie bars don't really do much due to our body design, and the rear sway doesn't do much except keep body roll to a minimum. You could, of course, get stiffer rear springs for the coilovers, but then you're messing around with your daily drivability. You have to find a compromise that allows you to handle well in the corners as well as keep yourself in a straight line. I suggested stiffening the front to eliminate wheel hop, just one of a whole wack of factors that are keeping rubber from biting on launch, and I'm of the opinion that it would be a more noticable improvement than rear ties or sway. Just trying to keep daily driving in mind, cause I'm sure bakablo's car isn't a trailer queen.
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I guess I should have been more clear... when I meant stiffen the rear... I meant dampening wise... so there's no bounce when you launch hard.
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^Konis only allow you to adjust rebound, not compression, so they wouldn't do much good to solve the weight transfer issue. R1Style is right - you want to set the bound rate (and ideally spring rate as well) of the rears higher to get a better launch in FWD.
I think getting Teins or another high quality fully adjustable coilover would be the best bet.
I think getting Teins or another high quality fully adjustable coilover would be the best bet.
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ok lol... now.... if I were to do everything that was mentioned here it would be over 6 k's... LOL
i still dunno which advice to take.. :P
ill use that info tho... thx
i still dunno which advice to take.. :P
ill use that info tho... thx
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if I stiffen up the back to and lower the front.. wont it be uncomfortable on the highway etc.???? I want a good ride at all speeds.. and not be hopping all over the place...
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Well that's the good thing about coilovers... you can adjust them for the track/road/autox.
Given the options I have posted... I would first look into the motor mounts. It's under $100 bux for them and they make a huge difference. You get more vibration in the cabin during cold starts but it's a sacrafice for grip considering the power you're putting down.
Then I'd look into some really nice tires.
Given the options I have posted... I would first look into the motor mounts. It's under $100 bux for them and they make a huge difference. You get more vibration in the cabin during cold starts but it's a sacrafice for grip considering the power you're putting down.
Then I'd look into some really nice tires.
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