A Lesson Learned (pics of Vette inside)
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Yep, and the similarity between the 2 cars ends there!
The Vette handling is far superior to the F-Body. As for BMW or Porsche, I guess its what you want in a car. The Vette has the best build quality of an American car out there. The Boxster is getting decent, though the first couple of years the interiors were POS's...
The BMWs handle nicely and are put together well. But they lack the power and torque -- again, its what you want.
The Vette handling is far superior to the F-Body. As for BMW or Porsche, I guess its what you want in a car. The Vette has the best build quality of an American car out there. The Boxster is getting decent, though the first couple of years the interiors were POS's...
The BMWs handle nicely and are put together well. But they lack the power and torque -- again, its what you want.
Originally posted by chriscivic
I have a 02 trans am ws6 (it has the same engine as the vette) and the handling sucks and the steering is loose.
I have a 02 trans am ws6 (it has the same engine as the vette) and the handling sucks and the steering is loose.
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Rep Power: 0 Are you trying to say that the Civic won't break traction due to acceleration??? A person can overdrive ANY car. Plus, there are many capable drivers out there that can make a Vette fly around a road course. And for those that can't, the Active Handling and Traction Control make the car very docile. Of course we are talking C5, which is a totally different car than the C4 the thread starter is talking about.
As for a Civic Turbo spanking a Vette all day long --
lease: Maybe at a drag strip on slicks (against the older LT1 like in this post). You sure don't want to try it in an autocross, road course, or on the highway... especially against and LS1 or LS6. I think HondaGuru said it best -- "no contest".
For what its worth, a guy here has a WRX that puts out 376 to the wheels. He has over 50k in his car, consisting of wheels, tires, suspension, brakes, racing seats, STi engine and 6 speed, BIG turbo, etc... His car around PIR is about 4 seconds behind a stock Z06 running race tires. 1:32 vs 1:28 for the Z06.
For 50k, I know which one I'd take (hint, NOT the WRX)
As for a Civic Turbo spanking a Vette all day long --
lease: Maybe at a drag strip on slicks (against the older LT1 like in this post). You sure don't want to try it in an autocross, road course, or on the highway... especially against and LS1 or LS6. I think HondaGuru said it best -- "no contest".For what its worth, a guy here has a WRX that puts out 376 to the wheels. He has over 50k in his car, consisting of wheels, tires, suspension, brakes, racing seats, STi engine and 6 speed, BIG turbo, etc... His car around PIR is about 4 seconds behind a stock Z06 running race tires. 1:32 vs 1:28 for the Z06.
For 50k, I know which one I'd take (hint, NOT the WRX)
Originally posted by Renamazazo
The thing about too much power and no way to get em to the wheels is totally true. Sure it's got a powerfull engine, and whatnot, but most people can't do anything with it. I have plenty of fun in my civic, I've never gotten off of going 109 mph, but I do enjoy driving fast through the local twisty streets. In a vette, you could easily kill yourself, in the civic, you never have to worry about breaking tracking due to acceleration. ANYWAY, good luck finding out what you want. If the Vette's paid for I'd reccomend selling private party, and then go buy a stock vic, and do a swap and turbo then you'd spank vette's all day long anyway.
-Mark
The thing about too much power and no way to get em to the wheels is totally true. Sure it's got a powerfull engine, and whatnot, but most people can't do anything with it. I have plenty of fun in my civic, I've never gotten off of going 109 mph, but I do enjoy driving fast through the local twisty streets. In a vette, you could easily kill yourself, in the civic, you never have to worry about breaking tracking due to acceleration. ANYWAY, good luck finding out what you want. If the Vette's paid for I'd reccomend selling private party, and then go buy a stock vic, and do a swap and turbo then you'd spank vette's all day long anyway.
-Mark
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Rep Power: 0 I'm selling the Vette for 19k. I have both hard and glass tops. I don't use the glass top or take the hard top off cause it's too damn hot.
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car. The Lamborghini is my ultimate dream car, I'd rather have an LT1 in a Lambo body, the Lambo engine is not that great in my opinion... Depending on the type of Lambo, they have lots of horsepower but ET times are worse than the Vette, so why pay $250,000 for a slower car...
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car. The Lamborghini is my ultimate dream car, I'd rather have an LT1 in a Lambo body, the Lambo engine is not that great in my opinion... Depending on the type of Lambo, they have lots of horsepower but ET times are worse than the Vette, so why pay $250,000 for a slower car...
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Originally posted by RunawaySoul
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car.
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car.
Its true about the guys who Autocross their vetts regularly, they beat the snot out of me every time, but they also know that they need Really sticky tires to do what they need to do with the car. Think Kumho Victoracers. With Regular street tires, the driver needs To be Extra super smooth with the gas or its Really easy to spin the car Especially on an autcross track. My point being that With out Super Sticky tires, a vette has to much torque for an autocross track to Properlly make use of the cars potential. Even the Guys I race with (The ones who have Vetts) will say the same thing.
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Its true about the guys who Autocross their vetts regularly, they beat the snot out of me every time, but they also know that they need Really sticky tires to do what they need to do with the car. Think Kumho Victoracers. With Regular street tires, the driver needs To be Extra super smooth with the gas or its Really easy to spin the car Especially on an autcross track. My point being that With out Super Sticky tires, a vette has to much torque for an autocross track to Properlly make use of the cars potential. Even the Guys I race with (The ones who have Vetts) will say the same thing.
Its true about the guys who Autocross their vetts regularly, they beat the snot out of me every time, but they also know that they need Really sticky tires to do what they need to do with the car. Think Kumho Victoracers. With Regular street tires, the driver needs To be Extra super smooth with the gas or its Really easy to spin the car Especially on an autcross track. My point being that With out Super Sticky tires, a vette has to much torque for an autocross track to Properlly make use of the cars potential. Even the Guys I race with (The ones who have Vetts) will say the same thing.
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Rep Power: 0 What are the specifics on your Vette? I'm guessing by photos that its a 96? Low mileage?
Just so you know, its a VERY soft market for Vettes right now (infact, some think the C4 market is better than the C5 since there aren't as many "mint" C4s nowadays). There have been some rock-bottom priced C5s that have taken as long as 6 months to sell. Seems the best market is for the C1,C2, and very, very early C3 (like pre 1970).
As for Lambos, yeah the ETs might not be that impressive, but check out their trap speeds. ET is really only a good thing for drag racing. The MPH is more indicative of whats going to happen, for example, if you come up on one going 80 and both nail it
Its like the GMC Syclones... There used to be a guy that had one running mid 12s @ 95. Great for drag racing, but a DSM with a boost controller would eat his lunch at any speed faster than zero...
Good luck on the sale.
Heck, list it here... you never know
Just so you know, its a VERY soft market for Vettes right now (infact, some think the C4 market is better than the C5 since there aren't as many "mint" C4s nowadays). There have been some rock-bottom priced C5s that have taken as long as 6 months to sell. Seems the best market is for the C1,C2, and very, very early C3 (like pre 1970).
As for Lambos, yeah the ETs might not be that impressive, but check out their trap speeds. ET is really only a good thing for drag racing. The MPH is more indicative of whats going to happen, for example, if you come up on one going 80 and both nail it
Its like the GMC Syclones... There used to be a guy that had one running mid 12s @ 95. Great for drag racing, but a DSM with a boost controller would eat his lunch at any speed faster than zero...
Good luck on the sale.
Heck, list it here... you never know
Originally posted by RunawaySoul
I'm selling the Vette for 19k. I have both hard and glass tops. I don't use the glass top or take the hard top off cause it's too damn hot.
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car. The Lamborghini is my ultimate dream car, I'd rather have an LT1 in a Lambo body, the Lambo engine is not that great in my opinion... Depending on the type of Lambo, they have lots of horsepower but ET times are worse than the Vette, so why pay $250,000 for a slower car...
I'm selling the Vette for 19k. I have both hard and glass tops. I don't use the glass top or take the hard top off cause it's too damn hot.
I know some Vette owners who autocross and are quite good at it. Just goes to show that's it is more about the driver than the car. The Lamborghini is my ultimate dream car, I'd rather have an LT1 in a Lambo body, the Lambo engine is not that great in my opinion... Depending on the type of Lambo, they have lots of horsepower but ET times are worse than the Vette, so why pay $250,000 for a slower car...
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i hate american muscle cars, i used to want a mustang when i was little and didnt know anything about cars. when i grew up and learned more about cars, how they work, what parts are which, etc... i started leaning to imports. why? i guess i'd rather be able to modify my car and make it fast then just have it fast out the factory, its no fun and not a challenge when power is "given" to you, you respect it more when you earned it. in a nearby ghetto by where i live, everyone has a camero, EVERYONE! and 80% of the people probably cant even change their oil.
i hate american muscle cars, i used to want a mustang when i was little and didnt know anything about cars. when i grew up and learned more about cars, how they work, what parts are which, etc... i started leaning to imports. why? i guess i'd rather be able to modify my car and make it fast then just have it fast out the factory, its no fun and not a challenge when power is "given" to you, you respect it more when you earned it. in a nearby ghetto by where i live, everyone has a camero, EVERYONE! and 80% of the people probably cant even change their oil.
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Rep Power: 0 The Civic is more American than it is foreign. Seriously, I think I read that is like 80% American on the sticker when I bought my Civic.
My Corvette is absolute pristine condition. It is a 1995, just turned 52k miles. It has no problems at all, except for the antenna, which costs $88. The paint condition is better than my dad's 1999 C5 of the same color. I have more pictures if anyone wants... The market for Vettes is picking up but it is still poor. I've seen C5's for as low as 20k with good miles... Theory is that 2 generations prior to current one is the best "investment." Meaning C5's are out now, C3's are pricey..and they are, they cost more than 20k for a good one, hopefully C6 comes out in like, 3 days...
I would consider a trade with an EX and some cash like a previous poster mentioned...
My Corvette is absolute pristine condition. It is a 1995, just turned 52k miles. It has no problems at all, except for the antenna, which costs $88. The paint condition is better than my dad's 1999 C5 of the same color. I have more pictures if anyone wants... The market for Vettes is picking up but it is still poor. I've seen C5's for as low as 20k with good miles... Theory is that 2 generations prior to current one is the best "investment." Meaning C5's are out now, C3's are pricey..and they are, they cost more than 20k for a good one, hopefully C6 comes out in like, 3 days...
I would consider a trade with an EX and some cash like a previous poster mentioned...
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You sound like an idiot. If you knew a lot about cars, you'd have a lot of respect for muscle cars, even if you don't drive one. Fast is all relative. An '03 Si owner will consider a DX slow, while an SS camaro owner will consider an RS slow, and a McLaren F1 owner will consider just about everything slow. Also, 80% of people in general probably don't change their own oil whether they drive an import or domestic. Don't make yourself sound like a riceboy.
You sound like an idiot. If you knew a lot about cars, you'd have a lot of respect for muscle cars, even if you don't drive one. Fast is all relative. An '03 Si owner will consider a DX slow, while an SS camaro owner will consider an RS slow, and a McLaren F1 owner will consider just about everything slow. Also, 80% of people in general probably don't change their own oil whether they drive an import or domestic. Don't make yourself sound like a riceboy.
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