Should Honda produce a really fast car?
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Yes, I think Honda should make turbo car. Some people think it won't work or it won't be reliable. Look at the camshafts out of a B18C1 can you imagine how many thousands of hours of R&D went into those. Honda isn't the kinda of company that would take a car throw on a turbo and call it a day. I think they would tune the hell out of the turbo extracting every last horsepower.
What I don't think they should do is make an AWD car. While there are many advantages to AWD.
1) Traction is not a problem
2) More grip through the turns
3) Very safe in bad weather
But then you have to think. Take the RSX-S for example. It is safe in bad weather, has great handling, and while more traction is always better. I think it has enough. An AWD car wouldn't improve a Honda that much, the only major difference you would see is if you like driving fast in bad weather or you like going to the track and launching the hell out of your car. Besides when we race, we usually have the weight advantage on our side. An AWD system might change that
In reality Honda has made turbocharged engines before, and im not talking about the F1 engines. Turbo . As you can see Honda isn't a newcomer to the turbo market
Yes, I think Honda should make turbo car. Some people think it won't work or it won't be reliable. Look at the camshafts out of a B18C1 can you imagine how many thousands of hours of R&D went into those. Honda isn't the kinda of company that would take a car throw on a turbo and call it a day. I think they would tune the hell out of the turbo extracting every last horsepower.
What I don't think they should do is make an AWD car. While there are many advantages to AWD.
1) Traction is not a problem
2) More grip through the turns
3) Very safe in bad weather
But then you have to think. Take the RSX-S for example. It is safe in bad weather, has great handling, and while more traction is always better. I think it has enough. An AWD car wouldn't improve a Honda that much, the only major difference you would see is if you like driving fast in bad weather or you like going to the track and launching the hell out of your car. Besides when we race, we usually have the weight advantage on our side. An AWD system might change that
In reality Honda has made turbocharged engines before, and im not talking about the F1 engines. Turbo . As you can see Honda isn't a newcomer to the turbo market
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btw i have to respect your opinion but there is no way a nsx can will beat out a z06 in any kinda track
btw i have to respect your opinion but there is no way a nsx can will beat out a z06 in any kinda track
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I don't want to get into splitting hairs or anything. My point was that several Japanese tuners have built 1000+ hp NSX's. And it's not a fair comparison to pit a Lingenfelter Vette against a stock NSX-R or a stock-anything, for that matter.
I don't want to get into splitting hairs or anything. My point was that several Japanese tuners have built 1000+ hp NSX's. And it's not a fair comparison to pit a Lingenfelter Vette against a stock NSX-R or a stock-anything, for that matter.
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Rep Power: 0 wow.... ok i just read the first page and i thought i would give my .02's.
Honda produces engines that out preform most, if not all of thier competition. Here in the states honda's faster cars (S2000, the Accord Coupe 6mt, etc...) are pleantly fast. You also have to realize that; Honda = Acura with the Intgra/RSX, NSX, etc.... the B series and now the K series Honda motors are Gods in my book, not to mention the H's and the F's.. .(and the rest of the abc's haha sorry) Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
Honda produces engines that out preform most, if not all of thier competition. Here in the states honda's faster cars (S2000, the Accord Coupe 6mt, etc...) are pleantly fast. You also have to realize that; Honda = Acura with the Intgra/RSX, NSX, etc.... the B series and now the K series Honda motors are Gods in my book, not to mention the H's and the F's.. .(and the rest of the abc's haha sorry) Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
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wow.... ok i just read the first page and i thought i would give my .02's.
Honda produces engines that out preform most, if not all of thier competition. Here in the states honda's faster cars (S2000, the Accord Coupe 6mt, etc...) are pleantly fast. You also have to realize that; Honda = Acura with the Intgra/RSX, NSX, etc.... the B series and now the K series Honda motors are Gods in my book, not to mention the H's and the F's.. .(and the rest of the abc's haha sorry) Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
wow.... ok i just read the first page and i thought i would give my .02's.
Honda produces engines that out preform most, if not all of thier competition. Here in the states honda's faster cars (S2000, the Accord Coupe 6mt, etc...) are pleantly fast. You also have to realize that; Honda = Acura with the Intgra/RSX, NSX, etc.... the B series and now the K series Honda motors are Gods in my book, not to mention the H's and the F's.. .(and the rest of the abc's haha sorry) Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
back to the question NO honda should not make a awd car but they should make there cars rwd that would help.
honda makes ecno boxes that are great daily drivers not sport cars. FACE IT its the truth.
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Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
Honda can take a K series motor and do 300 on a naturaly aspirated 4 banger. Most domestics cant even do that on a v6.
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HP/L is crap... its a useless measurement to determine how well a car performs. Power to weight and a dynograph will tell you how well an engine performs. HP/L is just a bragging right that comes with a little engine that shows how effecient it is... If you're looking at performance... who cares.
Z06... 405HP from 5.7L = 71.05 HP/L
S2000... 240 HP from 2.0L = 120 HP/L
Which is gonna win? HP/L is useless.
HP/L is crap... its a useless measurement to determine how well a car performs. Power to weight and a dynograph will tell you how well an engine performs. HP/L is just a bragging right that comes with a little engine that shows how effecient it is... If you're looking at performance... who cares.
Z06... 405HP from 5.7L = 71.05 HP/L
S2000... 240 HP from 2.0L = 120 HP/L
Which is gonna win? HP/L is useless.
Aside from that, the S2000 also happens to be able to beat cars with more hp and TWICE the torque.
Originally posted by sadboy916
hmm i have not found any 300 hp I4 or v6 at my honda dealership. also to call honda motors godly is pushing it yea the b and k series are fairly tunable but it takes alot of money to make them fast dont just look at their hp numbers look at the tq.
back to the question NO honda should not make a awd car but they should make there cars rwd that would help.
honda makes ecno boxes that are great daily drivers not sport cars. FACE IT its the truth.
hmm i have not found any 300 hp I4 or v6 at my honda dealership. also to call honda motors godly is pushing it yea the b and k series are fairly tunable but it takes alot of money to make them fast dont just look at their hp numbers look at the tq.
back to the question NO honda should not make a awd car but they should make there cars rwd that would help.
honda makes ecno boxes that are great daily drivers not sport cars. FACE IT its the truth.
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Rep Power: 380 Honda will most likely never make a forced induction car availible to the public. Why? Because they LOVE their VTEC. Why would they make such a car when they pride them selfs on squeazing every last bit of HP out of a naturaly asperated engine and still have it to be super reliable?
Also, the S2000 and NSX were never ment to be Drag cars. People around here need to get their heads out of their A$$es and realize that 1/4 mile times dont mean **** to an Actual Sports car. It dosn't take much to make a fast 1/4 mile car, just have a High HP car and bam you have a dragster. A true Sports car however is Greatly more chalenging to create. Not only do you have to have good power, but now you have to design it to turn well? that is truly a pain in the ***. Thats the Beauty of the S2000 and the NSX, they achieve those goals, and do them well. Sure a Supercharged Saleen Mustang may kick the butt of an S2000 in the 1/4 mile, but who cares? I dont drive the 1/4 mile to work every morning.
There is a Huge difference between a sports car and a Muscle car.
well Im done ranting.
Also, the S2000 and NSX were never ment to be Drag cars. People around here need to get their heads out of their A$$es and realize that 1/4 mile times dont mean **** to an Actual Sports car. It dosn't take much to make a fast 1/4 mile car, just have a High HP car and bam you have a dragster. A true Sports car however is Greatly more chalenging to create. Not only do you have to have good power, but now you have to design it to turn well? that is truly a pain in the ***. Thats the Beauty of the S2000 and the NSX, they achieve those goals, and do them well. Sure a Supercharged Saleen Mustang may kick the butt of an S2000 in the 1/4 mile, but who cares? I dont drive the 1/4 mile to work every morning.
There is a Huge difference between a sports car and a Muscle car.
well Im done ranting.
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“We can build an 850-horse-power engine that will live practically forever,” O’Blenes says, technical director of GM Racing Engines. Referring to the Ecotec.
“The people who build Honda engines have come over and looked at our engines and said, ‘This looks like a good engine to build.’ The first question these guys ask is, ‘Are the parts available?’ The parts are available from us, and now third-party companies—the Edelbrocks of the world—are starting to produce pieces for these engines. Now it’s easier for a guy to build up his own engine,” says Taylor, GM’s group manager for drag racing and safety.
“We can build an 850-horse-power engine that will live practically forever,” O’Blenes says, technical director of GM Racing Engines. Referring to the Ecotec.
“The people who build Honda engines have come over and looked at our engines and said, ‘This looks like a good engine to build.’ The first question these guys ask is, ‘Are the parts available?’ The parts are available from us, and now third-party companies—the Edelbrocks of the world—are starting to produce pieces for these engines. Now it’s easier for a guy to build up his own engine,” says Taylor, GM’s group manager for drag racing and safety.
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Rep Power: 318 It'd be kinda nice to bring the Prelude back in Turbocharged stock fashion...makin it somewhere in the 450 HP/3.5 Liter V-tec....that would be Honda's ultimate sports car! But then again, the NSX-T kicks *** already!
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Chevy did it with the Ecotec Over 780HP. If you want to talk speed and technology tell me; what was the first 4 banger to break into the 6's? It sure wasn't a Honda engine.
Chevy did it with the Ecotec Over 780HP. If you want to talk speed and technology tell me; what was the first 4 banger to break into the 6's? It sure wasn't a Honda engine.
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Rep Power: 0 lol this NSX vs vette argument...i think what more ppl want is something thats not too expensive but still relatively fast...something RWD with something in the mid 200hp range...v6...i wonder if u could take the 3.5L v6 from the oddysey and squeeze it into a civic hahah...ok maybe not
i'll be honest with u guys...what i really want is something that's relatively light...decent torque and pretty low in price... for me that's the nissan sentra se-r which came out 2months after i got the civic..i know it doesn't get the mileage compared to the civic..but in my case..honda should produce something like that ...maybe i shoulda just went with nissan on this one..argh..too late
i'll be honest with u guys...what i really want is something that's relatively light...decent torque and pretty low in price... for me that's the nissan sentra se-r which came out 2months after i got the civic..i know it doesn't get the mileage compared to the civic..but in my case..honda should produce something like that ...maybe i shoulda just went with nissan on this one..argh..too late
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Rep Power: 359 Honda just makes damn nice cars that run forever. . Some of them can move some *** around.. The NSX, S2000, etc. . Honda is all about making some damn nice cars though. . They are more Luxurious and dependable rather than speedy. I'm thinking now of the 3.2 CL Type S. A quick car, yet wrapped in a leather enterior . . Very very slick. Anyways. whether you're hauling ***, going on a trip, saving gas, or driving a dependable car, you'r looking good and feeling good doing it. . That's what Honda is about.
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