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as much as some of the members here dont want to bealive it a trans am and camaro ss do well in auto cross and other types of track racing. last time i checked a nsx did the 1/4 in low 14's high 13's and has a top speed of 175 all this for 90k well the z06 does it the 1/4 in 12's and a top speed of 171 for ALOT LESS.

 
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I agree with you about the Z06. The F-bodies, however, are tanks (3400 - 3600 lbs.), have poor weight distribution, and generally don't handle that well. They are muscle cars designed for gobs of torque.

The NSX and S2000 both have perfect 50/50 weight distribution and many people just love the feel of those cars. They don't care that they can get faster cars with more hp for the money.

It's the same way with the Type R. Are there more powerful cars out there? Of course. But some people just love the way a Type R drives and feels.

 
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i dont like how the vette and camaro only redline at 5 or 6k rpms though. not my cup of tea

 
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lol you dont need to have a high redline when you have tq. why would something like this bother you its just an excuse to hate on muscle cars.

 
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then why does the vette outsell the nsx if people dont care.

 
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I said that many people didn't care that the Z06 gives you more hp and torque for the money, not that everybody didn't care. The fact that Honda has been producing the NSX for a dozen years now and there is a large cult following of NSX owners proves that there is something about the NSX that these people like.

 
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i never said i hated muscle cars... in fact, i like them since i get to drive my uncles' base vette a lot... my cousin's camaro i also really enjoy driving too. they are domestic lovers

 
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ok fair enough but why would you have a problem with the redline?

 
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It's cool that you like muscle cars (I personally love them) but if you're gonna defend em don't use times to support em in their strong suit and then in their weak suit say that they "do well". American muscle cars are made to be fast as all hell. That's why they are called muscle cars, so as much as I like em they aren't going to beat cars designed to handle well. The nsx and other cars of it's type are designed handling first. Neither car type is necissarily better or worse (although, duh American cars are cheaper in America). Muscle cars own the 1/4 but don't even try to say those things handle the autox like their suspension bred cousins. I'm not trying to flame you or hate on muscle cars; just saying you should make sure to include all facts if possible or omit the comment (1/4 has nothing to do with autox). Again not flaming you, and I must say those muscle cars do kick *** in their own domain! Anyhow if you read this I hope you enjoyed my lack of rereading, sense, typing ability, and the nice giant 1 paragraph post (muahahaha).

 
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yes a nsx will beat a trans am/camaro in a autocross umm i dont think anyone said it wont so i dont know why you would compare the 2.

also alot of members talk about autoX but really how many of you actually do it , i know a few of you do but cmon dont act like you all do it. i have heard some members say drag racing is boring lol yea right maybe because you do it in 16 seconds.

 
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i say NO because they build one of the best N/A motors in the world... they do not need to go mainstream n turbo all their cars. they already have a great reputation with thier cars.

 
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Lol..... sheesh you are hard to please.... bigger pessimist than me. I'm not talking about the driver, I'm talking straight up about the car. I don't drag, autocross, or performance mod my car(hella fun to watch though). I'm just saying that the cars are from 2 different schools of thought and are each better at their intended design. The NSX and s2000 perform well in the 1/4, but shine at more complex than straight-line driving. Mustang SVT and camero perform well in autocross, but excel in straight line driving (You were saying the trans am and camero do well in autocross so I'm throwing the same thing back at you). If you go back and read your posts you seem to be saying that the higher hp, faster cars are better just "because". I'm sure you're not trying to come off that way (I know I have to look like a total **** 90% of the time AT LEAST). General point: All cars are designed to do what the engineers intended them to do (well that's the idea anyway...) so sports cars in the same class/price range usually aren't so much better as better suited. Lol.... that's my idea anyway..... I'll shut up, crawl in a hole, and die now.....

 
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why we are both giving are opinions dont worry about it.

 
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Well don't make this assumption just yet. A well driven Camaro is a force to be reconed with on an autoX track. I've seen them post low time of the day for street classed cars. I've never seen an NSX autocross, I guess not too many people around here have them, but autoX has so much to do with the driver and not so much with the car. If you know how to keep the rear end under control and can steer a little with the throttle, you'll do real well in an F-body. For as much of a "tank" as they are, they really do well. Having torque in autocross, is a very good thing.

 
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ive been driving high revving cars my whole life... the rev limiter on muscle cars is i guess not enough for me cutting in and out at 5k... i still love them though coz you have that extra punch of torque. i like all nice cars, euros, domestics, or imports.

 
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Yeah, maybe the old cars like Chevelle SS's and stuff do that, but not all high powered V8's have a low redline. Look at the Z06, it redlines at almost 7,000 rpm, and that's a 5.7L V8 pumping out 405 hp, and 400 ft-lbs, and that produces it's power in mid range, not like our cars that have to rev to the redline to produce power. I mean the LS6 in the Z06 redlines at just slightly more than our D17's

Mmm... Z06

 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again honda makes/made turbos they just don't sell them in the states!

If honda going to make a true low end FI performance car ,they should only do so in limited numbers. Maybe something like 400 a year. Thats what they should have done with the prelude or the S2000. In order to do this with FI the car is going to cost more then $30,000. There going to have to charge you inorder to stay true to the honda name of relablity.
Rember the eclipes fast car rigth? Turns into garage in the long run. Can you say crank walk....

 
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what exactly is crank walk, i never understood that how it happens

 
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It's when the crank bounces around a bit.

 
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When I talk about road courses, I'm not talking about auto-X or driving around in a parking lot trying to avoid orange cones. Try to get away from the "racing / performance" coverage that is covered each month in Sport Compact Car, StupidStreet, 2nRTV, 2Cool4UMagazine, etc. and let's talk real wheel-to-wheel racing. Think JGTC, Speed World Challenge, Grand Am Cup, etc.

Just look at how successful King Motorsports was when campaigned their NSX in the Speed World Challenge for a few years. Their NSX was able to beat many cars with way more hp and torque. Same deal with JGTC - the NSX is a formidable competitor even though it is underpowered compared to the other Japanese exotics on the grid.

Now is the NSX worth the $80k price tag? Well personally I would never spend that much for an automobile. Does it provide more value for the dollar than a Z06? Again - that's up to the individual.

But the fact that the NSX has less hp and torque than a Z06 does not make it an inferior vehicle. Besides - if you're going to compare a top-of-the-line Vette to a top-of-the-line NSX, you'd be looking at the NSX Type R. Which in my opinion is a BETTER car than the Z06. Last year EVO Magazine rated it the best sports car ever made in the world. Several Formula 1 drivers (Jenson Button, Jacques Villeneuve) have taken the NSX-R for a spin and have come to the same conclusion.

 
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Yup, if I ever win the lottery I'll be getting an NSX that's for sure, it's got such neutral handling because of its mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout that it's just so stable and unbelieveably fast

 
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Yeah there are only a select few domestic muscle cars that have eye-popping torque but can still rev high. I'm seriously looking at the Mustang SVT Cobra as my next vehicle (7000+ RPM redline, 390 hp, 395 ft. lbs. torque). Right now it's not quite up there with the Z06 in terms of performance (mostly due to its added weight and outdated chassis). But that much power/torque and 0.92 G's on a skidpad for < $40k - can't beat that.

If the next Mustang chassis (set to debut in 2004 or 2005 I think) is a lot better than the current Fox chassis, then Vette owners need to watch out.

 
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Yeah, but remember, the C6 is coming out soon, which is supposed to be leaps and bounds over the current C5 platform.

 
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ditto... and acura has the nsx!!!

Injen

 
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umm one word Lingenfelter

 
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btw i have to respect your opinion but there is no way a nsx can will beat out a z06 in any kinda track

 
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Once again you're comparing apples to oranges. The Lingenfelter Vette is a beast, no doubt. But it's not quite factory stock, now is it? The Lingenfelter Vette could be compared to the Mugen NSX-R that competes in JGTC.

 
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Well... I wouldn't go that far. The Mugen NSX-R would be comparable to the Corvette C5R that competes in the ALMS and Le Mans 24 Hours wouldn't it?

 
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I'm stupid or can't read or something, but that doesn't make sense to me

Are you saying that an NSX can beat a Z06, or it can't?

 
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I don't want to get into splitting hairs or anything. My point was that several Japanese tuners have built 1000+ hp NSX's. And it's not a fair comparison to pit a Lingenfelter Vette against a stock NSX-R or a stock-anything, for that matter.