Should Honda produce a really fast car?
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Should Honda produce a really fast car?
There a lot of manufacturer like Chrysler in USA, and Imports like
Subaru and Miutsubishi, producing and bringing to the States really
fast cars: 14.2 and less in stock cars.
My question is Do you guys thinks like Honda entusiasts, that Honda
should develop a fast car to compete with these street monsters?
To compete with them the car should be Turbo and have more than 225
ponies and a good amount of torque.
and it should cost $30,000 or less
Subaru and Miutsubishi, producing and bringing to the States really
fast cars: 14.2 and less in stock cars.
My question is Do you guys thinks like Honda entusiasts, that Honda
should develop a fast car to compete with these street monsters?
To compete with them the car should be Turbo and have more than 225
ponies and a good amount of torque.
and it should cost $30,000 or less
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Rep Power: 0 Honda does not have to go into the Turbo market......
Because honda is not known for it's "Turbo" or "AWD"....
Honda is in the affordable compact, family, and luxary car market..
If Honda does decide to go into the Turbo AWD market I think they will have to earn respect for the product their selling..... but they don't need to make a WHOLE new car just to compete in a market that they are not involved in
Because honda is not known for it's "Turbo" or "AWD"....
Honda is in the affordable compact, family, and luxary car market..
If Honda does decide to go into the Turbo AWD market I think they will have to earn respect for the product their selling..... but they don't need to make a WHOLE new car just to compete in a market that they are not involved in
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Rep Power: 0 correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the accord just a heavier version of the NSX with a different body? Add intake and exhaust to the v-6 coupe and it's the same. Also, Honda made a cheap "really fast" car, it was called the prelude but the public decided to buy the civic and put money into it instead of the prelude so they did away with it. There is also the Acura line which is made by Honda, so I think we've got the fast honda option. Sorry, not trying to flame.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by GanariGuY
Honda does not have to go into the Turbo market......
Because honda is not known for it's "Turbo" or "AWD"....
Honda is in the affordable compact, family, and luxary car market..
If Honda does decide to go into the Turbo AWD market I think they will have to earn respect for the product their selling..... but they don't need to make a WHOLE new car just to compete in a market that they are not involved in
Honda does not have to go into the Turbo market......
Because honda is not known for it's "Turbo" or "AWD"....
Honda is in the affordable compact, family, and luxary car market..
If Honda does decide to go into the Turbo AWD market I think they will have to earn respect for the product their selling..... but they don't need to make a WHOLE new car just to compete in a market that they are not involved in
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Rep Power: 0 "correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the accord just a heavier version of the NSX with a different body? Add intake and exhaust to the v-6 coupe and it's the same"
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Rep Power: 0 I know that Honda is capable of producing fast cars. The S2000 is the leader of Hp by liters with 120hp per liter. The Prelude was an amazing car but is gone, the NSX is a super car the Type R kicked a$% but also is gone, all of them are N/A and amazing machines showing what Honda is capable of. I just want from Honda a car that can kick WRX, & EVOS A$% in the Budget of $30,000 or less
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Rep Power: 0 A. Hp per liter is crap. It’s by NO means ANY measure of performance. And is usually touted by ricers trying to claim superiority in some way to cars faster then them.
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B. The prelude was never "really fast". Low 15s is still slow as hell, and that’s as fast as you are going to be going in a stock lude.
Honda does make affordable and relatively quick cars... just not for the US market.
BTW, when did they start producing all aluminum mid engined RWD Accords... I seem to forget?
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B. The prelude was never "really fast". Low 15s is still slow as hell, and that’s as fast as you are going to be going in a stock lude.
Honda does make affordable and relatively quick cars... just not for the US market.
BTW, when did they start producing all aluminum mid engined RWD Accords... I seem to forget?
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by HondaGuru
A. Hp per liter is crap. It’s by NO means ANY measure of performance. And is usually touted by ricers trying to claim superiority in some way to cars faster then them.
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B. The prelude was never "really fast". Low 15s is still slow as hell, and that’s as fast as you are going to be going in a stock lude.
Honda does make affordable and relatively quick cars... just not for the US market.
BTW, when did they start producing all aluminum mid engined RWD Accords... I seem to forget?
A. Hp per liter is crap. It’s by NO means ANY measure of performance. And is usually touted by ricers trying to claim superiority in some way to cars faster then them.
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B. The prelude was never "really fast". Low 15s is still slow as hell, and that’s as fast as you are going to be going in a stock lude.
Honda does make affordable and relatively quick cars... just not for the US market.
BTW, when did they start producing all aluminum mid engined RWD Accords... I seem to forget?
I know that Honda like Toyota and other manufactrurers meke relatively quick cars but for other markets.
My point when I first posted my message was that Mitsu is bringing the Evo, Subaru has the WRX and posible the Sti, Chrysler Neon Srt4
We need from Honda another type R badge or something better
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Rep Power: 303 If Honda goes "turbo" or the "AWD" market then they will be going to a world that they have no idea of in the streets. I think they don't go to theose markets because they are doing well with what they have and also because if they join those markets then they might set themselves up for defeat and failure
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Rep Power: 364 There are certain reasons people buy Hondas. Speed is not usually one of them. Hell, even the S2000 is still a four banger. But it's over your 30K limit. So, since I can buy an old Civic hb or CRX, do a swap and a crap load of other stuff to make it actually fast for sub-20K, why the hell would I spend 30K?
"jebus, you guys are making it sound like turbocharging and fabricating AWD into a car are harder than winning a F1 championship."
ACTUALLY... making a turbo AWD car in a brand who's reputation is for economy and reliability and who's average buyer age is like 38 or something would be commercial suicide. It wouldn't be worth their time because the Honda loyal kids who would want that car wouldn't be able to afford it, and they would still probably make it weaker than an EVO or STi. At least with F1 you don't have to worry about sales.
"jebus, you guys are making it sound like turbocharging and fabricating AWD into a car are harder than winning a F1 championship."
ACTUALLY... making a turbo AWD car in a brand who's reputation is for economy and reliability and who's average buyer age is like 38 or something would be commercial suicide. It wouldn't be worth their time because the Honda loyal kids who would want that car wouldn't be able to afford it, and they would still probably make it weaker than an EVO or STi. At least with F1 you don't have to worry about sales.
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it accured to me that we have a very narrow view of the automotive market. all we want is performance, but Manufactuers are looking for profitablity, reliablitiy(so they dont have to keep replacing parts) and saleablity. And Honda allready has a performance line of cars, its called Acura. Acura dosn't exsist in Japan, Nither does Lexus(Toyota) or Infinity(Nissan).
Acura isn't really a performance division of Honda. It's the luxury division same with lexus and infinity. But no car company would change how they sell cars just because a few teenagers want them make something "better".
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by AznThug08
Acura isn't really a performance division of Honda. It's the luxury division same with lexus and infinity. But no car company would change how they sell cars just because a few teenagers want them make something "better".
Acura isn't really a performance division of Honda. It's the luxury division same with lexus and infinity. But no car company would change how they sell cars just because a few teenagers want them make something "better".
Why do you think Acura still sells NSX, Mazda holding onto Miata, and even financially unstable Nissan enter the fray with 350Z? and Toyota deseparately trying to infuse and associate a 'sporty' image with Toyota?
CAR isnt just a mode of transportation? there are reasons why more and more SUVs are sold each year. We WEAR the cars as much as we drive them. There were days when Honda was more like Hyundai. the success in F1 certainly changed public's perception of Hondas, not to mention fuel R&D that would eventually lead to VTEC.
certainly having a fast car in the lineup wont hurt. low profit and even loss from sales and support isnt so much of an issue when they are written off as expenses.
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Well, Honda is going to hopefully going to be bringing over the Civic Type R and the Integra(RSX) Type R.
Those two cars, wil be Honda's cheaper really fast cars. I'm not saying that either of them will keep up with say the EVO or WRX, but it should be a good race.
Those two cars, wil be Honda's cheaper really fast cars. I'm not saying that either of them will keep up with say the EVO or WRX, but it should be a good race.
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Rep Power: 583 i doubt honda will ever do a turboed or supercharged car from the factory because honda is known as "the motor company." i think thats even on their website (dont know, i havent checked in a while).
so if honda makes a turbo/supercharged car it will just downplay and take away from their reputation as a maker of good motors.
i do think they should do a line of cars (not SUVs) that are awd. if not for performance value, just as a safety feature. that would be nice to have an awd type R civic....chances of that tho?? probably not gonna happen.
the company is moving towards being a "green" company, and "performance" and "environmentally friendly" do not go together.
so if honda makes a turbo/supercharged car it will just downplay and take away from their reputation as a maker of good motors.
i do think they should do a line of cars (not SUVs) that are awd. if not for performance value, just as a safety feature. that would be nice to have an awd type R civic....chances of that tho?? probably not gonna happen.
the company is moving towards being a "green" company, and "performance" and "environmentally friendly" do not go together.
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...cuz honda doesn't NEED to.
...cuz honda doesn't NEED to.
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...cuz honda doesn't NEED to.
...cuz honda doesn't NEED to.
(My opinion anyone driving those should be shot....8 miles to the gallon HIGHWAY!!!!)
Honda makes cars that are reliable and somewhat sporty, S2k, Si. Why ruin this by dropping a turbo into their mix and killing their reliability ratings just for performance ratings, it ruins the whole point of be economic...which is also why it makes me laugh to see people putting all this money into performance parts on an economic car, ok ehaust header and intake is good but turbo, body kit and whatever else you can puit on is laughable. For the amount of money you spend with these upgrades in addition to the cost of the car you can get a car comprable to the price of the amount you put in and get better performance....When it coems right down to is cars are a matter of preference. I'll do IHE to my car and a lower but thats about it, to me it isn't worth it. To the next guy **** drop in a turbo and IHE and full stereo and boost controller with internals...his money...I kinda deviated from the point of this post...I'll go now.
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Rep Power: 0 i recall that acura and honda are the same manufactor. so it wouldnt matter honda/acura already got decent running cars even though its more then 30,000, atleast you can rest assure that it well be a safe produced car.
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Rep Power: 400 Honda/Acura doesn't just make economy cars. Why do people think that honda only makes economy cars? Honda has a part in a few performance cars as well, and sporty compact such as RSX-S.
