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The Ingen Intake shows a huge gain on the Type S

http://www.injen.com/webpages/specia...est%20gain.gif

It is also consistent with the dyno on clubrsx.com

http://performance.clubrsx.com/intak...JENvsSTOCK.jpg



Maybe Injen Intakes dynos can be trusted?

 
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It's never "worth it" to mod a Civic. Fun? yes. Worth it? No.

That goes with a lot of imports but the Civic is near the top of the list.

 
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I can't even be sarcastic anymore.Ever since people saw "that movie" for the first time, people think they can just get an civic and make it fast. That is a major people misconception.Most people on this site are dissappointed because they cant make their d17 powered civic "fast". While I am running 11's people with boltons on their 7thgen will be laughed at while at the track. I know peole tell me my auto civic is "fast" because it's in the 16's.I just wanted to be like some people and post my time in my sig.It's nothing special, but it is pointless to say a n/a d17 is fast.I just suggest a better car if you want performance.

 
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But that's the beauty of it.

People don't buy the fastest car they can buy for the money they have. If they did they'd all be driving turbo'd DSMs or LS1/5.0 stang fox bodies.

People buy a car because it's the car they want to drive. Not necessarily because they think they can make it into some 1/4 mile performance machine. If you just want to get the fastest 1/4 mile car you can get for your money, go buy the neon.

But, not everyone wants that. People buy a car for many different reasons other than 1/4 mile speed. However, should someone want to mod their car, and be proud they can hit low 15's in an NA civic, then so be it. People buy want they want, and mod it how they want, regardless of what gains they might get. I dont see anyone on the site sitting here saying they are going to make their NA civic into some screaming 12 second machine.

 
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the discussion isn't really about making a d17 fast, it's about if they give much of a gain or not. Anyone who seriously thinks they can make there car "fast" with bolt ons needs their head checked. you need major work to get this car moving. so for that swap or turbo. even turbo isn't that fast unless you have internals so you can go past 8psi. if i wanted a fast car i shouldn't have got a civic. small engine small gains. bigger engine bigger gains. that still doesn't change the fact that we do indeed get some gains. i think people are just expecting a little to much when they install an intake or header. if you get 5whp so what it's small but at least you gained something.

 
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exactly! Not everyone cares about 1/4 mile times. if i can make my car faster then 180hp stock car i'd be happy.

 
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Yup,because it's not realistic.(on a 7thgen) I'm glad people recognize that.
People complain after they spend $1000 plus on bolt ons and still
get beat by minivans.I say don't sit and complain.Either deal with it,or
get a better car.People have choices, make the car fast, go for looks, or go for both.Boltons don't make 7thgens fast, it's a known fact.Get a turbo if you want to go fast. Just go for looks if you want to stay slow.I just chose a better car to waste money on

 
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I'm not driving a turbo'd civic on stock internals son.I no longer drive the civ.
I can run far above 8 psi. (4g63 ) It's your choice if you want to poke around with the civic.Just make sure I don't see you complain about how slow your car is.Believe it or not,more people are going for performance these days.Hop on board if you want.

I've grown out of the looks interest,be like everyone else if you want.

 
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i never said you had turbo. i never even talked about you or your ride for that matter. i was basically stating fast is in the eye of the beholder. I don't complain my car is slow because i know it's a commuter car or else i would have bought a faster car. BTW where did i say i was going for looks? My car is almost stock. are you filling in the blanks in your head or are you trying to put words in my mouth?

Oh and another thing you say be like everyone else...well i think the point of modding, in whatever form, is to be different. not like the 2 billion other civic drivers out there who enjoy their stock civic.

 
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AEM also has a dyno for a cold air intake that shows 12 hp on the AEM site and about 10 HP on clubrsx. The 18.5 hp they claim comes from is for some intake called the V2. How come the RSX dynos from AEM for cold air intakes dynos are consistent on both AEM and clubrsx websites and how come the civic ones are considered fake?

 
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Get a clear hood LOL

 
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Oh my god!!! You do gain from the right mods no question there are people on this forum that will back that up. I have a NA civic that is a good bit faster than stock there is no question about it. And as far as if it is worth it or not I have spent $150 for the intake, $250 header, $450 exhaust, $30 ES engine mounts, and $150 flywheel. Those are the mods that I think would increase my whp to 15-20 above a stock civic. so I spent $1000 to increase hp and have a very balanced car that I love. So say 18hp increase that is $56 per hp. A decent turbo and fuel upgrade would cost $3500 to give me a 52% gain on, lets say 120 whp (I keep the exhaust, flywheel, and engine mounts). That is a 63 hp gain. What do you know that comes out to $56 per hp. So who is wasting $ those that mod civics period??? The only people that could say that are those with stock vics and that is fine because that is what you A.) want or B.) heard is better from Joe Bob who got hard up for $ and decided to sell his mods so now he is is denial saying that it is the same car when it is not. Granted there may be some that made the wrong mods (most of the time involves messing with the head or over riding the computer). But why not listen to those that have had a stock vic and modded it and will tell you that it is faster. I don't know about others, but I would have never moved ahead if after I added a intake my car was not faster.

I will bet anyone $100 that they can't beat me with there stock (from factory vic)!!!

 
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While we are at if we are talking about the best mod for the $ and the rest suck then NOS would win and the rest of us Suck.

I propose a theory that a moded civic will produce more hp than a stock. Remember this theory can never be proven only dissproven. So far we have 1 dyno from a member (who plans to boost) that proves the theory. Does anyone have a before and after that shows the modded less than the stock civic??? If not than shut the hell up. As for if it is worth it or not, that is relevent to income while $1000 for some may be 160 hrs of their time spent at work for others it is only 60. So worth it and not are different for person A and B.

I am not a noob to the car thing, and I am not some dumb redneck, I am a college educated, intellegent individual. Every day that I start my modded civic I smile and enjoy the hell out of my ride to work....... SO WHO THE FVCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME THAT MY MODS WERE NOT WORTH THE $

 
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hasnt this been covered before .somewhere? people........mods arent mods unless they gain power for our cars. even if its minimal, they still do DO something at some point in the powerband. if u take an (AUTO for drivers sake) and put them at the line. One is stock, the other has intake/headers and exhaust. both weigh the same and have the same weight driver. if they hit the gas at the exact same time, the modded civic will win every time. thats the whole point of mods.

 
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This entire forum is about a car (hondas for the most part) and its mods. there is nothing that makes a 7th gen any less modable (if that is a word). the thing is that mathamatically, modding is not a straight line it is very much hp dependant. The more hp you have NA the more hp you get from a mod it all works on percentages (an exhaust and intake on a Odessy will get more hp than on a civic). A civic is not a sports car it is a economical car so the engine that a civic is given has room for change to increase hp and lower the economical value. If we wish to talk about cars that don't respond well to mods then the S2000 would lead the honda pack becuase it is a sports car from the factory so it is designed with maximum performance in mind from the factory.

The engineers are given a car CIVIC- the civic targets the economical crowd that wishes to buy a car for the best value. Do you not think that the engineers are not smart enough to say if we do XXX to the civic then it will be faster??? They know this, but that is not what the target buyer is about. Now the S2000 is designed for economical performance (with more performance in mind). Do You not think that the engineers have balanced this car with a better performance over the economical value??

 
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eh sorry i only read the last page i didnt want to read all 10

 
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yeah, this thing needs locked it is going to go in circles FOREVER

 
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yeah i think the point has been made.