Modding a Civic!?!?!?
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Originally Posted by senseiturtle
Turbo/Supercharging and Nitrous are drastic motor modifications that will add signifigant power, no matter what the application.
This thread is about bolting-on power on a civic, mainly D-series.
I made this point eariler, and will repost it. The best NA motor mods for power are NOT intakes or exhaust, but new camshafts, ECU/ fuel-map tuning, porting/polishing, and displacement increases.
Big money to do, but you gain more than 2 whp per mod... unlike i/h/e.
This thread is about bolting-on power on a civic, mainly D-series.
I made this point eariler, and will repost it. The best NA motor mods for power are NOT intakes or exhaust, but new camshafts, ECU/ fuel-map tuning, porting/polishing, and displacement increases.
Big money to do, but you gain more than 2 whp per mod... unlike i/h/e.
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I think that's the point. He is proud of what he's doing with his civic. I didn't see him saying he was trying to make some break neck amazing performance machine.
Originally Posted by JX6
IT IS NOT WORTH IT ON THE D17.
I think you are high if you feel a "difference".
Go buy a boosted car if you want some significant gains off boltons.
If you want performance, ditch the 7thgen.
I think you are high if you feel a "difference".
Go buy a boosted car if you want some significant gains off boltons.
If you want performance, ditch the 7thgen.
Originally Posted by JX6
I got a auto civic in the 16's with 2 n/a mods and I am proud of that 
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
it amazes me how people even in the face of a dyno, can say that i/h/e only gives 2whp per mod.
My point still stands about the major power-gaining mods for an NA system, which is the point of this thread, is it not?
With a 15 whp gain (which is apparently what a d-series can gain), that averages to 5 whp per mod. A nice set of cams can get you maybe 10. For cars that apply, a good Hondata system can get you more. And as we all know, there is NO replacement for displacement... other than F/I... with bored motors getting all kinds of torque and power gains.
I'm not sure how much the above applies specifically to a D-17 or whatever, but as a general rule for all-motor power, that's what's done.
I'm more of the type that would buy a GIAC (nice VW chip, similar to hondata) and a nice set of Shrick 268's on an otherwise stock motor, and be happy with a near 30 whp gain for the same cost as IHE and a 15 whp gain... all without the hydrolock and cop-grabbing attention.
But that's just me.
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why do so many people rag on people who mod their cars nowadays with basic bolt ons or tasteful mods? we all mod our cars for the fun, the few extra hp, and because it's a hobby. since when is that a reason to draw ridicule, especially from some who own the same car and may even have similar mods?
It's a hobby, and even if it only gives 15whp so what? that's not a bad gain and you get the extra sound and look of the parts. why do people have to suddenly justify their mods when they say "hey look what i'm doing with my D17"?
why do so many people rag on people who mod their cars nowadays with basic bolt ons or tasteful mods? we all mod our cars for the fun, the few extra hp, and because it's a hobby. since when is that a reason to draw ridicule, especially from some who own the same car and may even have similar mods?
It's a hobby, and even if it only gives 15whp so what? that's not a bad gain and you get the extra sound and look of the parts. why do people have to suddenly justify their mods when they say "hey look what i'm doing with my D17"?
Ok Bolt-ons DO add hp no question about it. Everytime I add a new bolt on I can feel a difference (biggest most-likley the flywheel). Now just how much hp I would say 15-20whp would I beat a stock ex, dx, lx; 9 times out of 10 yes. Why not put the $ towards a turbo kit??? The truth is that I have thought alot about a kit, but each time I decide that a NA civic with good handling is the direction that is best for my needs. The thing is that boosted or NOS civics are great; they are fast sleepers that can catch unsuspecting victims, good for getting good times at the strip, and lets face it nothing beats the sound of a BOV. But they are less reliable than a NA vic, they require more maitanance, and they are simply not that good on road courses or autoX due to the fact that an autoX course requires such variation in throttle and gearing it would beat the hell out of the car and turbo also the turbo would never have time to fully spool. As for a road course I challenge any of you to run the **** out of your boosted civic day in and day out for HOURS non stop (such as you would do on a road course). Your vic and the turbo will simply not last more than a couple of times of this abuse.
I am not saying that turbos are bad by any means I am just saying to each their own and if 1000 in bolt-ons gives someone the extra edge in their autoX class or gives them that extra quickness that makes them smile on the streets then what the hell is the problem. Why give the guy **** for stating a fact (atleast the first post, and not the one about beating a boosted vic)
And the guy with the boosted auto I am sorry, but your best mod would have been a 5spd tranny. Just ask hotrod2004 how much faster a 5spd civic is than a auto civic. I would love to race you just to see how close I could keep up (not saying that I would win, but I would definatly suprise the hell out of you)
I am not saying that turbos are bad by any means I am just saying to each their own and if 1000 in bolt-ons gives someone the extra edge in their autoX class or gives them that extra quickness that makes them smile on the streets then what the hell is the problem. Why give the guy **** for stating a fact (atleast the first post, and not the one about beating a boosted vic)
And the guy with the boosted auto I am sorry, but your best mod would have been a 5spd tranny. Just ask hotrod2004 how much faster a 5spd civic is than a auto civic. I would love to race you just to see how close I could keep up (not saying that I would win, but I would definatly suprise the hell out of you)
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
it amazes me how people even in the face of a dyno, can say that i/h/e only gives 2whp per mod.
To Sum things up
-NA mods do add hp on our cars for the most part (don't quite know what spyder did????). Adding hp with bolt-ons is simply like tunning the suspension different combinations yeild different results some are better than others. There are stupid bolt-ons (little turbo fan for $69).
-Are you wasting your $ on mods??? Should have you just purchassed a turbo??? No because different prefferences have different needs NA better for some and Turbo for others. Besides if I decided to go FI I would only be out an Intake and a Header which I could sell for 1/2 of what I paid. That is not to much for all of the fun that I had.
-auto vics are much slower than 5spd boosted or not (however a auto boosted vic could mostlikley beat a 5spd NA)
-NO A NA VIC WILL NOT BEAT A BOOSTED ONE THAT IS LESS THAN 10psi (mostlikley not even one at 3psi) LOL
-NA mods do add hp on our cars for the most part (don't quite know what spyder did????). Adding hp with bolt-ons is simply like tunning the suspension different combinations yeild different results some are better than others. There are stupid bolt-ons (little turbo fan for $69).
-Are you wasting your $ on mods??? Should have you just purchassed a turbo??? No because different prefferences have different needs NA better for some and Turbo for others. Besides if I decided to go FI I would only be out an Intake and a Header which I could sell for 1/2 of what I paid. That is not to much for all of the fun that I had.
-auto vics are much slower than 5spd boosted or not (however a auto boosted vic could mostlikley beat a 5spd NA)
-NO A NA VIC WILL NOT BEAT A BOOSTED ONE THAT IS LESS THAN 10psi (mostlikley not even one at 3psi) LOL
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Rep Power: 290 im not n/a im spraying 80 shots with all the bolt-ons. Ive beaten a junkyard civic set at 10psi before. Now he has a chip that allows the junkyard turbo to spool at 10psi and no lower or higher it stays at 10 psi from beggining of spool til end, thats the only way he beat me.
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
Ive beaten a junkyard civic set at 10psi before. Now he has a chip that allows the junkyard turbo to spool at 10psi and no lower or higher it stays at 10 psi from beggining of spool til end, thats the only way he beat me.
either you don't know what you are talking about as far as a turbo goes or you are miss communicating yourself. I am trying to stick up for you don't make it more difficult than it already is. 
this is mostly to everyone that was saying stuff about a d-series. Look at bisi hit 10's in his crx/d15. Of course he switched to a new motor, but if he can do it so can anyone else and if people wanna improve on what they got then so be it
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Originally Posted by bgoetz
either you don't know what you are talking about as far as a turbo goes or you are miss communicating yourself. I am trying to stick up for you don't make it more difficult than it already is.he had a zc motor which is only like 80 hp to the crank?
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yeah bgoetz is right. i have an auto with i/h/e and rode in his 5 spd with the flywheel. give the man some credit he swapped on his own. i couldnt believe the damn difference. it was night and day. i should go put my head in an oven after getting an auto over a 5spd. thats why i wish to swap trannys this summer. bgoetz race me to keep up? i would be the one keeping up with u man...
Originally Posted by S2000man01
I wish I could do my own flywheel and clutch. 
You have to drop the entire engine a few inches to get the transmission out.
You have to drop the entire engine a few inches to get the transmission out.
.To clarify redline I was talking about me trying to keep up with the boosted auto.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
sure, you can buy those mods, because they are available for your car. every car line is different and responds to mods differently.
why do so many people rag on people who mod their cars nowadays with basic bolt ons or tasteful mods? we all mod our cars for the fun, the few extra hp, and because it's a hobby. since when is that a reason to draw ridicule, especially from some who own the same car and may even have similar mods?
It's a hobby, and even if it only gives 15whp so what? that's not a bad gain and you get the extra sound and look of the parts. why do people have to suddenly justify their mods when they say "hey look what i'm doing with my D17"?
why do so many people rag on people who mod their cars nowadays with basic bolt ons or tasteful mods? we all mod our cars for the fun, the few extra hp, and because it's a hobby. since when is that a reason to draw ridicule, especially from some who own the same car and may even have similar mods?
It's a hobby, and even if it only gives 15whp so what? that's not a bad gain and you get the extra sound and look of the parts. why do people have to suddenly justify their mods when they say "hey look what i'm doing with my D17"?
Seriously 6-10whp from bolt ons plus lightened flywheel(free up some more hp) and some nice tires the car should be nice and quick. No s2000 but certainly a lot of fun. Too bad that RSR muffler is so expensive I really like the look of it.
If you have a DX or LX you gain 11-12 hp with the AEM Cold Air Intake
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...%20LX%20DX.pdf
With the EX you gain 5.5
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...Civic%20Ex.pdf
This is your Dyno for EX auto with short ram will the gains be similar for a manual?
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-...20AT%20SRS.pdf
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Yeah a man to that brother ("And all my little Hulk A Maniacs!")
Seriously 6-10whp from bolt ons plus lightened flywheel(free up some more hp) and some nice tires the car should be nice and quick. No s2000 but certainly a lot of fun. Too bad that RSR muffler is so expensive I really like the look of it.
If you have a DX or LX you gain 11-12 hp with the AEM Cold Air Intake
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...%20LX%20DX.pdf
With the EX you gain 5.5
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...Civic%20Ex.pdf
This is your Dyno for EX auto with short ram will the gains be similar for a manual?
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-...20AT%20SRS.pdf
Seriously 6-10whp from bolt ons plus lightened flywheel(free up some more hp) and some nice tires the car should be nice and quick. No s2000 but certainly a lot of fun. Too bad that RSR muffler is so expensive I really like the look of it.
If you have a DX or LX you gain 11-12 hp with the AEM Cold Air Intake
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...%20LX%20DX.pdf
With the EX you gain 5.5
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...Civic%20Ex.pdf
This is your Dyno for EX auto with short ram will the gains be similar for a manual?
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-...20AT%20SRS.pdf
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Originally Posted by cambo
yea....those dyno graphs are bogus. Comon' they dont even look like REAL dyno graphs. I could make those graphs in microsoft excel.
How can you tell they are bogus? Excel is great for making graphs, The Dynometer tells you the HP at different RPMs, what does it matter what software you use to plot the data?
Does anyone have a dyno for Ingen Cold Air Intake for Civic EX?
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Originally Posted by nindoo
How can you tell they are bogus? Excel is great for making graphs, The Dynometer tells you the HP at different RPMs, what does it matter what software you use to plot the data?
Does anyone have a dyno for Ingen Cold Air Intake for Civic EX?
Does anyone have a dyno for Ingen Cold Air Intake for Civic EX?
a REAL dyno graph is much more believable.
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http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=11279
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=15
http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=11279
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=15
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Originally Posted by nindoo
AEM is also making a tunnable ECU for the d17a2 its showing a lot of promise.
http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=11279
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=15
http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=11279
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...6&page=1&pp=15
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Originally Posted by cambo
who's to say they didn't even perform a dyno and didn't just make it up?
a REAL dyno graph is much more believable.
a REAL dyno graph is much more believable.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
I have to agree with this
Are there 7thgen owners who dynoed there cars before and after intake install to proove AEM wrong? I guess there are, is AEM allowed to false advertise like that, do they have a disclaimer on their dyno?
Originally Posted by HustleLikeM0FO
I'm putting an end to this arguement.
Here is my dyno chart with an AEM SRI over stock.
Here is my dyno chart with an AEM SRI over stock.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Are there 7thgen owners who dynoed there cars before and after intake install to proove AEM wrong? I guess there are, is AEM allowed to false advertise like that, do they have a disclaimer on their dyno?
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Originally Posted by cambo
The thing is most, if not all, manufactuers say things like "up to a gain of blah blah blah". So if you get any gain up to, if not more than, what they claim, they're covered.
I hear ya.
I understand what your sayin now I went to the AEM site and it showed an 18.5hp gain on a Air Intake for a type S
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...RSX-S%20V2.pdf
20 Hp from an intake I think not.
