K20 Versus Turbo D17???
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Originally posted by SMURF_KILLER
but how long will my D17 last if I do all that to my car people say if you turbo or build your motor then the life span of the motor drops I just read this in some other forum is this true
but how long will my D17 last if I do all that to my car people say if you turbo or build your motor then the life span of the motor drops I just read this in some other forum is this true
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Rep Power: 0 DH what if say you just buy a Turbo for like a RX-7 and have it installed are you saying that running turbo doesnt reduce the engines life span??? or just the turbos you all have installed??
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Rep Power: 0 DH what if say you just buy a Turbo for like a RX-7 and have it installed are you saying that running turbo doesnt reduce the engines life span??? or just the turbos you all have installed??
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Novaz3
i could be wrong but last time i checked if you do a engine swap, you also should upgrade the suspension as well as several other bolt ons to really tap out all the potential of this new engine. Lets do the math 17,500 for a civic, 3,000 for a K20 engine, around 3,000 for the install including labor and all parts now if you add other bolt ons such as exhaust, intake, new coil over suspension you should be around 27k or more. Now im not saying doing swaps are stupid but for all that cash spent on that install why not just buy a car around that same price for that would still be faster then your car with all those installs???? one that i can think of is the WRX or the EVO 8????
i could be wrong but last time i checked if you do a engine swap, you also should upgrade the suspension as well as several other bolt ons to really tap out all the potential of this new engine. Lets do the math 17,500 for a civic, 3,000 for a K20 engine, around 3,000 for the install including labor and all parts now if you add other bolt ons such as exhaust, intake, new coil over suspension you should be around 27k or more. Now im not saying doing swaps are stupid but for all that cash spent on that install why not just buy a car around that same price for that would still be faster then your car with all those installs???? one that i can think of is the WRX or the EVO 8????
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Novaz3
DH what if say you just buy a Turbo for like a RX-7 and have it installed are you saying that running turbo doesnt reduce the engines life span??? or just the turbos you all have installed??
DH what if say you just buy a Turbo for like a RX-7 and have it installed are you saying that running turbo doesnt reduce the engines life span??? or just the turbos you all have installed??
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Rep Power: 0 DH would it be possible to have a turbo built specifically for my Honda Non Vtec D17? and if so can you send me you guys info so that i can see how much it will cost and the gains it will yield. I know off hand adding a turbo i will need an Oil Cooler, Intercooler, Larger Fuel Rod, Turbo Timer, but i really dont know what else. This may sound stupid but is there a Guide to adding a turbo???
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DhRacingJosh
If you are going to spend an honest 15k on your car, then this is what you should do. Stafford Fabrications and us (Dh-Racing) have yet to push the potential of the D17 even close to the limit. We are running 9 PSI, and our Ported head and breaking way into the 12's for sure. This all done with much less then the 15k you are talking about. Now the logical thing would be to get a D17 sleeved, and fully built custom bolt-ons, and use Stafford Kits. This would have the ease of being a NHRA car with no problems. With the proper suspension and traction/axles you could easily launch deep into the 10's or as far as you can handle it. K20 would be nice yes, and to boost it would be a thrill, but, and I say BUT K20 Motors like the old ITR's come pre-built why do you think they make so much power. You can build them and do the same thing as the D17, but both in our eyes, and SF's eyes the D17 has a lot more room for optimizing power, and pushing limits. Just a little thought before you go breaking your pocket just to say you have a K20.
If you are going to spend an honest 15k on your car, then this is what you should do. Stafford Fabrications and us (Dh-Racing) have yet to push the potential of the D17 even close to the limit. We are running 9 PSI, and our Ported head and breaking way into the 12's for sure. This all done with much less then the 15k you are talking about. Now the logical thing would be to get a D17 sleeved, and fully built custom bolt-ons, and use Stafford Kits. This would have the ease of being a NHRA car with no problems. With the proper suspension and traction/axles you could easily launch deep into the 10's or as far as you can handle it. K20 would be nice yes, and to boost it would be a thrill, but, and I say BUT K20 Motors like the old ITR's come pre-built why do you think they make so much power. You can build them and do the same thing as the D17, but both in our eyes, and SF's eyes the D17 has a lot more room for optimizing power, and pushing limits. Just a little thought before you go breaking your pocket just to say you have a K20.
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Rep Power: 0 im really not sure i have never done an engine swap and have only saw the famous K20det engine swap being done but maybe you could. I mean im not trying to be a hater im just trying to understand why ppl invest 20 g's into a civic when its just a civic but i will be quient i dont want to start an argument i will just allow ppl to do what they want keep up the good work you all
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DhRacingJosh
I will take any Honda and for 2000-3000 be able to murder a STI or Evo 8
I will take any Honda and for 2000-3000 be able to murder a STI or Evo 8
That would be a great DIY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last edited by JoeyCrac; 10-28-2003 at 02:34 PM.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by mkingk2
If I get 3 grand will u make my car faster than an evo 8 and sti plz
If I get 3 grand will u make my car faster than an evo 8 and sti plz
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Rep Power: 0 Thanks Smurf Killer lol. I have been on these forums for a while just never posted anything.
I am going SF Turbo which costs 3,100. So I was like damn wonder what this guy can pull off for 3 grand.
Lets see what he replies with.
I am going SF Turbo which costs 3,100. So I was like damn wonder what this guy can pull off for 3 grand.
Lets see what he replies with.
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Rep Power: 290 Originally posted by SMURF_KILLER
ah my car is paid off and my parents payed for it and now I am working and have all this money to spend. I want to buy a new car but I love my civic
ah my car is paid off and my parents payed for it and now I am working and have all this money to spend. I want to buy a new car but I love my civic
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Rep Power: 351 Give half your money to DH-racing, have him port and polish your head, install a custom intake manifold, bore your throttle body, stage 2 regrind your cam, put in lower compression pistons, titanium springs and retainers, eagle rods
I would love this above setup^
I would love this above setup^
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Rep Power: 0 Well I reply with this. The same thing that had us holding the all motor world record in 1997. I would do the following:
$550 - Highly Ported Intake Manifold And Billet Throttle Body
$500 - SOHC Vtec Ported Head With High Flow Valves
$125 - Crank Pulley
$300 - Lightened Flywheel And 6 Puck Clutch
$350 - High Compression Pistons
$100 - Adjustable Fuel Regulator
$400 - Headers
$100 - Intake
$350 - Exhaust With Custom Piping
Now if you look at this then it comes to $2775, and that would be our Built SOHC motor basically with the bolt ons needed. My buddy has this exact setup, and is running 13.4 consistently. Ask Mike from SF if you don't believe in this. Our all motor SOHC we just had in Dave's car was making well over 200 at the wheels. Budget isn't always crappy work. We don't rob your pocket to put you ahead of the competition, but don't think you couldn't get a kit from Stafford and do the same thing, it's just which route you want, NA or FI. Also get his kit get a ported head, and some other bolt-ons, and see deep into the 12's.
$550 - Highly Ported Intake Manifold And Billet Throttle Body
$500 - SOHC Vtec Ported Head With High Flow Valves
$125 - Crank Pulley
$300 - Lightened Flywheel And 6 Puck Clutch
$350 - High Compression Pistons
$100 - Adjustable Fuel Regulator
$400 - Headers
$100 - Intake
$350 - Exhaust With Custom Piping
Now if you look at this then it comes to $2775, and that would be our Built SOHC motor basically with the bolt ons needed. My buddy has this exact setup, and is running 13.4 consistently. Ask Mike from SF if you don't believe in this. Our all motor SOHC we just had in Dave's car was making well over 200 at the wheels. Budget isn't always crappy work. We don't rob your pocket to put you ahead of the competition, but don't think you couldn't get a kit from Stafford and do the same thing, it's just which route you want, NA or FI. Also get his kit get a ported head, and some other bolt-ons, and see deep into the 12's.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by cdmx
Give half your money to DH-racing, have him port and polish your head, install a custom intake manifold, bore your throttle body, stage 2 regrind your cam, put in lower compression pistons, titanium springs and retainers, eagle rods
I would love this above setup^
Give half your money to DH-racing, have him port and polish your head, install a custom intake manifold, bore your throttle body, stage 2 regrind your cam, put in lower compression pistons, titanium springs and retainers, eagle rods
I would love this above setup^
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Rep Power: 0 What is the turbo rebuild kit for $150, I want to set the car up for the SF Turbo kit. Also want the HKS SSQ instead of the turbo XS bov.
Turbo Fund = Still Working on it.
Turbo Fund = Still Working on it.
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Rep Power: 351 How much more boost, i have learned is its good to get a KMS blockguard, lower compression pistons, springs/retainers, eagle connecting rods. um and i think thats good for like 15psi?
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by cdmx
How much more boost, i have learned is its good to get a KMS blockguard, lower compression pistons, springs/retainers, eagle connecting rods. um and i think thats good for like 15psi?
How much more boost, i have learned is its good to get a KMS blockguard, lower compression pistons, springs/retainers, eagle connecting rods. um and i think thats good for like 15psi?
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Rep Power: 351 Originally posted by DhRacingJosh
You could boost 20 PSI on that if you tune it properly but 15 would be very reliable with that setup.
You could boost 20 PSI on that if you tune it properly but 15 would be very reliable with that setup.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by cdmx
thats what i was thinking, 15 daily - 20 race
thats what i was thinking, 15 daily - 20 race
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Rep Power: 351 Originally posted by DhRacingJosh
Very good choice, and how the hell do I get a pic like that under my sig, someone please
Very good choice, and how the hell do I get a pic like that under my sig, someone please
name a girl and ill make u a sig
