K20 Versus Turbo D17???
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Originally posted by Bigmac
as far as i know, K24 swap would be a lot cheaper than a K20A(JDM Integra Type-R) straight from japan and unlike the K20A, the K24 can be found easily cuz there's a lot of cars that have it right now.
this will defenately be a good alternative to the expensive K20A or even K20A2 (USDM RSX Type-S)...and you get more power at the end...
as far as i know, K24 swap would be a lot cheaper than a K20A(JDM Integra Type-R) straight from japan and unlike the K20A, the K24 can be found easily cuz there's a lot of cars that have it right now.
this will defenately be a good alternative to the expensive K20A or even K20A2 (USDM RSX Type-S)...and you get more power at the end...
The engine in CDN$ is about $1200 or so (just the engine). The problem I have found with doing a TypeS head on a K24 is that it's damn near impossible to find someone who will sell the two parts seperately. I found a place that will sell me the whole K24 engine and another that can get me the K20A head. Bearing in mind here that you still need a few things. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm betting that you'll need the ECU and wire harness from the TypeR if you're using the K20A head. I also plan on getting the 6 speed bolted on with (hopefully) LSD.
It really depends on how much you want to do the engine before you drop it in the car. I would prefer to get as much done to it while it's on a stand before it goes under the hood.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong but I also think that the intake manifold on the K24 is too big for the Civic...Anyone know for sure?
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Bigmac
let me clarify things up a bit...
first, there's no V4...4 cylinders engines comes inline and not in "V" (there's also inline 6 cylinders and they are NOT called V6...cars such as supra, bmw M3 have inline 6 cylinders engines)
second, the K24 engine is basically the same as the K20 but with a bigger block (more displacement, hence more torque but doesn't rev as high as K20). This engine comes from:
- CR-V
- 4 Cylinder Accord
- Element
- TSX
All these 4 cars use the same block, only things that make their HP different is probably the head and some internals (i might be wrong on that, plz correct me...)
finaly, people do K24 block with K20 head to have more torque but still keep the high rev limit of the K20...it's also called a "frankenstein" or in the past, a ls/vtec
let me clarify things up a bit...
first, there's no V4...4 cylinders engines comes inline and not in "V" (there's also inline 6 cylinders and they are NOT called V6...cars such as supra, bmw M3 have inline 6 cylinders engines)
second, the K24 engine is basically the same as the K20 but with a bigger block (more displacement, hence more torque but doesn't rev as high as K20). This engine comes from:
- CR-V
- 4 Cylinder Accord
- Element
- TSX
All these 4 cars use the same block, only things that make their HP different is probably the head and some internals (i might be wrong on that, plz correct me...)
finaly, people do K24 block with K20 head to have more torque but still keep the high rev limit of the K20...it's also called a "frankenstein" or in the past, a ls/vtec
There is in fact such a thing as a 'v4'. Volkswagon used to make one. Also, subaru still makes a 'h4'. (horizontally opposed 4 cylinder) WRX anyone?
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Rep Power: 0 ya i am willing to pay the price for a unique item, plus i want a car that surprises the hell out of people, thank you for answering, i will do whatever is faster, and it looks like a k24 swap with a k20 head and new pistons cams and whatever else you guys think would be good for internals to prepare it for a turbo
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Rep Power: 0 oh sorry Darkside9360 that is as close as i can get to a drift with front wheel drive, and I've drift a lot and sliding rear end is tech drifting, I do the same things as rear wheel just I have to use my e brake all the time
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Rep Power: 0 OK, first I'm assuming you plan on drag racing for whatever reason...you'd want to go with the K20 then turbo it, or do the K24/K20 Frank, then turbo it. TURBO's == highest hp/liter anyday, and you'd have something like the hondawerx car.... SERIOUS TRACTION ISSUES....and it wouldn't be very fun to drive on the street....but you throw some slicks on there and you'd have a fast car that you'd have to tow everywhere becuase it wouldn't turn.
Since I plan on autocrossing I'd do a NA Tune K24/20 Franenstein and lots of suspension work...somewhere along this track you'd have to learn how to turn the stearing wheel... which can be scary after so much straight line driving....
Since I plan on autocrossing I'd do a NA Tune K24/20 Franenstein and lots of suspension work...somewhere along this track you'd have to learn how to turn the stearing wheel... which can be scary after so much straight line driving....
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There is in fact such a thing as a 'v4'. Volkswagon used to make one. Also, subaru still makes a 'h4'. (horizontally opposed 4 cylinder) WRX anyone?
There is in fact such a thing as a 'v4'. Volkswagon used to make one. Also, subaru still makes a 'h4'. (horizontally opposed 4 cylinder) WRX anyone?
i think some fords also had v4, like a festia.
i think there were alot of v4's in the 70's and early 80's....
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Accelerate towards a corner, when you hit the corner pull the E-brake(dont let the button out)
and turn hard,your *** end slides(drifts around the corner)drop the E-brake,and accelerate hard out of the corner, all quickly and smoothly and you have a FWD drift
(DONT TRY THIS AT HOME UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING)
Accelerate towards a corner, when you hit the corner pull the E-brake(dont let the button out)
and turn hard,your *** end slides(drifts around the corner)drop the E-brake,and accelerate hard out of the corner, all quickly and smoothly and you have a FWD drift
(DONT TRY THIS AT HOME UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING)
i guess it's a type of controlled slide.....but no drifting.
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...that is as close as i can get to a drift with front wheel drive, and I've drift a lot and sliding rear end is tech drifting, I do the same things as rear wheel just I have to use my e brake all the time
...that is as close as i can get to a drift with front wheel drive, and I've drift a lot and sliding rear end is tech drifting, I do the same things as rear wheel just I have to use my e brake all the time
i hate to tell ya, but there is NO BRAKES used in drifting. it is all power. you just oversteer some, then bring it arrould and understeer slightly, and punch the gas to the floor. ALL tires are spinning, not the front two while the rears lock-up.
drifting.......
i can drift in my civic... just not on pavement. windy dirt roads make for some controlled slides in a FWD car. you can "whip" it, and punch the gas, and shide pretty smooth in the dirt.
maybe that's what he ment?
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Rep Power: 0 drifts must be continuously held with the throttle.... so its not possible to technically "drift" in a fwd.
that aside.... for 15gs i would definitely go with the K20. At least until someone comes out with an LSD and new final drive for the D17 tranny.
that aside.... for 15gs i would definitely go with the K20. At least until someone comes out with an LSD and new final drive for the D17 tranny.
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Rep Power: 383 it would be very cool to have a k20a N/A cause then you would have probaly like 300 hp or so depending on exactly what you do, and with a turbo with the same amount of money you could do some crazy work and boost it must of the internals would have to be custom and so forth so it would take time and all of that, but i would rather work with the current engine since it is a challenge
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Rep Power: 0 First of all Smurf_Killer, i wasnt trying to come off mean or anything, but that was just how i was told to do it. I used to have a crazy toyota truck, rr drive, it was a 4cyl stick with close to 280 hp! and man you could drift in that thing any day! good times. so after the engine threw a rod and it got stuck in the chamber thing at 5000 rpm i had to put a new motor in it ( my dad didnt do internal stuff anymore, he just put the new engine in with the simple bolt ons and sold it to my grandma) (she still has that badass truck) so instead of it he took me to get my 03 civic and that is how i am here today (dont trip i pay for my car its not daddys money)
And Renamazazo i dont care for drag racing much. I dont really consider it racing (not to offend anybody out there) I am into cornering more, me and my friends set up courses in parking lots and we run there, and man it is a blast (did i mention my car is an automatic (not for long)) I have actually gotten to the point where i can beat cars that are a little faster because i simply drive better than them. But like i was saying i am more into cornering at high speed that just ***** out dragging, that is why i am asking all of this. so you are saying a turbo is not good for roadcourses? is it because by the time the turbo spools up you are already hitting the breaks and downshifting? cuase i have been in that situation and that makes sense. But if i just put a turbo on a frank anyway, and only used what power i needed with a boost controller wouldnt that be ok for a road course also? ie i could just turn down the boost that way it wouldnt get this surge of power just before i hit the brakes.
And Renamazazo i dont care for drag racing much. I dont really consider it racing (not to offend anybody out there) I am into cornering more, me and my friends set up courses in parking lots and we run there, and man it is a blast (did i mention my car is an automatic (not for long)) I have actually gotten to the point where i can beat cars that are a little faster because i simply drive better than them. But like i was saying i am more into cornering at high speed that just ***** out dragging, that is why i am asking all of this. so you are saying a turbo is not good for roadcourses? is it because by the time the turbo spools up you are already hitting the breaks and downshifting? cuase i have been in that situation and that makes sense. But if i just put a turbo on a frank anyway, and only used what power i needed with a boost controller wouldnt that be ok for a road course also? ie i could just turn down the boost that way it wouldnt get this surge of power just before i hit the brakes.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Darkside9360
First of all Smurf_Killer, i wasnt trying to come off mean or anything, but that was just how i was told to do it. I used to have a crazy toyota truck, rr drive, it was a 4cyl stick with close to 280 hp! and man you could drift in that thing any day! good times. so after the engine threw a rod and it got stuck in the chamber thing at 5000 rpm i had to put a new motor in it ( my dad didnt do internal stuff anymore, he just put the new engine in with the simple bolt ons and sold it to my grandma) (she still has that badass truck) so instead of it he took me to get my 03 civic and that is how i am here today (dont trip i pay for my car its not daddys money)
And Renamazazo i dont care for drag racing much. I dont really consider it racing (not to offend anybody out there) I am into cornering more, me and my friends set up courses in parking lots and we run there, and man it is a blast (did i mention my car is an automatic (not for long)) I have actually gotten to the point where i can beat cars that are a little faster because i simply drive better than them. But like i was saying i am more into cornering at high speed that just ***** out dragging, that is why i am asking all of this. so you are saying a turbo is not good for roadcourses? is it because by the time the turbo spools up you are already hitting the breaks and downshifting? cuase i have been in that situation and that makes sense. But if i just put a turbo on a frank anyway, and only used what power i needed with a boost controller wouldnt that be ok for a road course also? ie i could just turn down the boost that way it wouldnt get this surge of power just before i hit the brakes.
First of all Smurf_Killer, i wasnt trying to come off mean or anything, but that was just how i was told to do it. I used to have a crazy toyota truck, rr drive, it was a 4cyl stick with close to 280 hp! and man you could drift in that thing any day! good times. so after the engine threw a rod and it got stuck in the chamber thing at 5000 rpm i had to put a new motor in it ( my dad didnt do internal stuff anymore, he just put the new engine in with the simple bolt ons and sold it to my grandma) (she still has that badass truck) so instead of it he took me to get my 03 civic and that is how i am here today (dont trip i pay for my car its not daddys money)
And Renamazazo i dont care for drag racing much. I dont really consider it racing (not to offend anybody out there) I am into cornering more, me and my friends set up courses in parking lots and we run there, and man it is a blast (did i mention my car is an automatic (not for long)) I have actually gotten to the point where i can beat cars that are a little faster because i simply drive better than them. But like i was saying i am more into cornering at high speed that just ***** out dragging, that is why i am asking all of this. so you are saying a turbo is not good for roadcourses? is it because by the time the turbo spools up you are already hitting the breaks and downshifting? cuase i have been in that situation and that makes sense. But if i just put a turbo on a frank anyway, and only used what power i needed with a boost controller wouldnt that be ok for a road course also? ie i could just turn down the boost that way it wouldnt get this surge of power just before i hit the brakes.
and in case you couldn't tell... I LOATHE DRAG RACING. I wish we could segregate this forum into 2 sections Drag Racing and AutoXing/Road Racing/ Track Racing. A Fwd car is just such a bad platform for drag racing. if it was a good platform, you'd see the top fuel dragsters as FWD cars.
a turbo'd 7thgen would beat a k20 with boltons
If you think about it, you get mad torque and hp increase with the turbo and not much added weight.
But then if you swapped a k20 in there with its 6spd tranny its much heavier in your vic.
If you think about it, you get mad torque and hp increase with the turbo and not much added weight.
But then if you swapped a k20 in there with its 6spd tranny its much heavier in your vic.
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HAHAHAA lair ! i want it
lol that would be crazy fast.
the k24 is from the accord v4 and prolly something else maybe the tsx i dont remember
HAHAHAA lair ! i want it
lol that would be crazy fast.the k24 is from the accord v4 and prolly something else maybe the tsx i dont remember
, the last timei checked it was called a 4 cylinder
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Rep Power: 0 a 15.72 quarter mile time is not terrible, however its not worth the money, i mean that is a lot of money to spend for 3 seconds. hell my dad has a dodge hemi longbed and for under 400 bucks in upgrades to the engine, it already runs a 15.03 . Keep in mind that is the 2500 4 door longbed (we use it to tow a trailer
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a turbo'd 7thgen would beat a k20 with boltons
a turbo'd 7thgen would beat a k20 with boltons
With the k20 you get the 6 speed with much better gear ratios than the d17 tranny....
but yes, if you spent the extra money on engine work for the d17 and ran a large amount of boost, it would beat a basic modded k20.... i dunno... id still much rather have a k20 under my hood.
