View Poll Results: Manual vs Auto
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Manual vs Auto
Autocross Junky
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Originally posted by CivicHX01
<-----manual lover... you can't do fun things in an auto like
1. red-lining (well maybe if you put it in 2 then d3....etc.)
2. rev matching
3. double clutching
4. heel-toe downshifting
haha, i just noticed i listed them in order of difficulty (4 being the hardest)
i can do 1 and 2 with no problem but 3 i need to work on my shifting speed (i think a short shifter would help) and 4 the car still jerks a bit... i need to get it perfect before i actually use it to enter corners....
i've had my car since june 01 and i love stick and haven't gotten tired of it! sometimes its a pain during traffic but i don't mind...
<-----manual lover... you can't do fun things in an auto like
1. red-lining (well maybe if you put it in 2 then d3....etc.)
2. rev matching
3. double clutching
4. heel-toe downshifting
haha, i just noticed i listed them in order of difficulty (4 being the hardest)
i can do 1 and 2 with no problem but 3 i need to work on my shifting speed (i think a short shifter would help) and 4 the car still jerks a bit... i need to get it perfect before i actually use it to enter corners....
i've had my car since june 01 and i love stick and haven't gotten tired of it! sometimes its a pain during traffic but i don't mind...
You should try Heel-toe shifting while in the middle of a corner, like where youre suppose to.
It's really not that hard, you essentialy want to be back in the lower gear at the apex of the corner so you can accelerate out. Its like doing a littel dance, step 1. on the brake. step two turn in to corner. step 3. push in clutch. step 4. "Tap" the gas with your heel (while your still on te brake) step 5. down shift and release the brake step 6. pass apex and accelerate out of the corner. its that easy just 6 simple steps!!! But seriously, Heel-toe shifting is a pain in the *** to get right. but once you learn, its probably the most fun you'll ever have with a manual transmission.
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From: Oakland, CA
Rep Power: 0 Just because a civic's not that fast, doesn't mean you can't have fun with it. I have loads of fun in my civic. Shifting at 6500 RPM brings such joy. If there's an open stretch of a windy road, I love punching the throttle.
As far as stop-and-go traffic being a pain, its not, because driving manual becomes so second nature that you don't really notice it (unless you're in a very hilly area). Oakland is one of the worst for traffic, and I still would never want to go back to auto. Only time I wished for an auto was when I was parrallel parking on a steep hill.
As far as stop-and-go traffic being a pain, its not, because driving manual becomes so second nature that you don't really notice it (unless you're in a very hilly area). Oakland is one of the worst for traffic, and I still would never want to go back to auto. Only time I wished for an auto was when I was parrallel parking on a steep hill.
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Rep Power: 0 I got my auto civic cause the wife can't drive standard. I wish I had a manual car, but that'll be the next purchase, once the civic is paid off.
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From: Los Angeles, CA
Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by bluecivic03lx
I figure with my car being and lx non vtech theirs not a whole lot I can do to iimprove the performance anyway so I'll always be more show than go.
I figure with my car being and lx non vtech theirs not a whole lot I can do to iimprove the performance anyway so I'll always be more show than go.
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From: Los Angeles, CA
Rep Power: 0 Re: I've got an auto tranny...
Originally posted by ChiZX
I was originally going to get a manual, but my mother insisted I buy an auto for my safety. You know moms. In case of emergency, I want anyone to be able to drive my car. There are too many people (especially my friends) that don't know how to drive stick. I wouldn't want to be stuck somewhere because my car is stick and I couldn't drive it. Something to think about. Safety First!
Cheers,
ChiZX
I was originally going to get a manual, but my mother insisted I buy an auto for my safety. You know moms. In case of emergency, I want anyone to be able to drive my car. There are too many people (especially my friends) that don't know how to drive stick. I wouldn't want to be stuck somewhere because my car is stick and I couldn't drive it. Something to think about. Safety First!
Cheers,
ChiZX
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Rep Power: 0 why does VTEC makes tuning a turbo harder?
oh yeah, auto EX...it's ok, but it's too boring and slow for me...but I'm stuck with it for the moment, I compensate by having fun with my girlfriend and my free hand, hehehe!
oh yeah, auto EX...it's ok, but it's too boring and slow for me...but I'm stuck with it for the moment, I compensate by having fun with my girlfriend and my free hand, hehehe!
Originally posted by Zzyzx
But seriously, Heel-toe shifting is a pain in the *** to get right. but once you learn, its probably the most fun you'll ever have with a manual transmission.
But seriously, Heel-toe shifting is a pain in the *** to get right. but once you learn, its probably the most fun you'll ever have with a manual transmission.
IMO, left foot braking is the hardest thing to learn. First time I did it, I couldn't get my foot off the brake until the car completely stopped.
Originally posted by CivicHX01
actually, its better to turbo an lx because it has a lower compression than the ex and also the vtec (not "vtech") makes tuning harder...
actually, its better to turbo an lx because it has a lower compression than the ex and also the vtec (not "vtech") makes tuning harder...
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From: portland, Indiana, US
Rep Power: 0 They loaned me a Civic auto when they installed my armrest and it was a total dog compared to my manual. The Civic just does not have the torque to be even remotely quick with an auto. The manual is fun during passing and even stop light to stop light. When it comes to Civics I'll take a manual!
i traded my auto for a manual from this kid... ever since then we became friends and he is the on that has the gx pistons with the mods to support them... he claims 180 (doubtful) with gx pistons, p/p 3 angle valve job, gude cam, bored tb, (mods like spider883) unorthodox pulley, aem cam gear. he is not a member but he is certainly copying his mods. i should really tell him to be a member of this site.
Originally posted by aki
Oakland is one of the worst for traffic
Oakland is one of the worst for traffic
Originally posted by bullseye
They loaned me a Civic auto when they installed my armrest and it was a total dog compared to my manual. The Civic just does not have the torque to be even remotely quick with an auto. The manual is fun during passing and even stop light to stop light. When it comes to Civics I'll take a manual!
They loaned me a Civic auto when they installed my armrest and it was a total dog compared to my manual. The Civic just does not have the torque to be even remotely quick with an auto. The manual is fun during passing and even stop light to stop light. When it comes to Civics I'll take a manual!
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From: Chicago, Illinois, US
Rep Power: 0 auto =(.... i hate it, i want a stick, but i cant do anything about it now... i guess its better cuz i drive in stop/go traffic on the highway alot... but i still want a stick. cuz it would give me somethign to do, it feels like you have more controll over the car. auto is just so.. BORING my next car will be an auto... of if i ever do that k20 swap, it will be a stick..
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From: Texas
Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Zzyzx
You should try Heel-toe shifting while in the middle of a corner, like where youre suppose to. It's really not that hard, you essentialy want to be back in the lower gear at the apex of the corner so you can accelerate out. Its like doing a littel dance, step 1. on the brake. step two turn in to corner. step 3. push in clutch. step 4. "Tap" the gas with your heel (while your still on te brake) step 5. down shift and release the brake step 6. pass apex and accelerate out of the corner. its that easy just 6 simple steps!!!
But seriously, Heel-toe shifting is a pain in the *** to get right. but once you learn, its probably the most fun you'll ever have with a manual transmission.
You should try Heel-toe shifting while in the middle of a corner, like where youre suppose to.
It's really not that hard, you essentialy want to be back in the lower gear at the apex of the corner so you can accelerate out. Its like doing a littel dance, step 1. on the brake. step two turn in to corner. step 3. push in clutch. step 4. "Tap" the gas with your heel (while your still on te brake) step 5. down shift and release the brake step 6. pass apex and accelerate out of the corner. its that easy just 6 simple steps!!! But seriously, Heel-toe shifting is a pain in the *** to get right. but once you learn, its probably the most fun you'll ever have with a manual transmission.
when this method was created, gas padals where usually bolted from the top, so the bottom of the pedal is what swung. now they are attached from the bottom or the back, so they dont move as easily when your heel is pressing them, it doesnt seem to fall in the right place...
so what i do is just get high on the brake, then tilt my foot to the right and use my toes on the top of the gas pedal. now i find this very easy, because i have long wide feet, so the pedals are all in reach... i dunno, i know i just had trouble heel-toeing at first, then i was taught to try it backwards.
and about the double clutching, you are talking about the right thing i think... -gas, +clutch, +neutral, -clutch, +gas, -gas, +clutch, +gear, -clutch, +gas... right? (i ask because people commonly misconcieve dbl clutching as a depressiong of the clutch within gears to raise rpms.) I used to get really messed up on this one... I dont know that a short throw shifter would help. my dad has a f250 super duty deasel, and it has like a 2 foot throw in the shifter, i dbl clutch it when i drive it, and i think its easier in that than in my civic. its all in the technique and timing.
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From: Texas
Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Cyclosporine
why does VTEC makes tuning a turbo harder?
oh yeah, auto EX...it's ok, but it's too boring and slow for me...but I'm stuck with it for the moment, I compensate by having fun with my girlfriend and my free hand, hehehe!
why does VTEC makes tuning a turbo harder?
oh yeah, auto EX...it's ok, but it's too boring and slow for me...but I'm stuck with it for the moment, I compensate by having fun with my girlfriend and my free hand, hehehe!
Originally posted by Chrissy
spiders883s auto can do it in 15.8. he can beat manuals. ask him
spiders883s auto can do it in 15.8. he can beat manuals. ask him
Good bolt ons (especially a header) with clutch and flywheel upgrade + a good driver will put a manual in 15s.
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From: SF, California, US
Rep Power: 0 Manual & i LOVE it!! Traffic isn't that bad. I drive all around from San Franscisco to San Jose. I hate SF, though; when you're uphill & stopped & have a $100,000+ car at your rear bumper, it's worry i could do without!!
