DOHC i-VTEC I Engine K20 (K20B)
Originally Posted by Majarvis
Honda doesn't care whether or not people can slap a turbo on or not. They care about making a clean, fuel-efficient engine. So there is no reason why this engine won't make it into the next Civic.
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I could understand why Honda wants ULEV on our cars....Because they don't want to invest any more into developing two versions of Civic....But they care that for the Accord, so Accord(and all other Honda except hybrids) still have LEV-II and ULEV versions....Even the Accord Hybrid has two versions....I would say that nobody will buy Accord if all of them are ULEV....Honda just lie on us, the Civic buyers.
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That's because the Accord isn't an entry-level vehicle, whereas the Civic is.
The market strategy for the Civic has always been class-leading fuel economy.
The market strategy for the Accord is luxury and styling.
You can't compare apples and oranges.
The market strategy for the Civic has always been class-leading fuel economy.
The market strategy for the Accord is luxury and styling.
You can't compare apples and oranges.
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Rep Power: 0 I agree to you at some point. However, when talking about fuel economy, a DX/LX(your LX/EX) already have the same fuel economy as the EX(your Si), so why does the EX come for the already available DX/LX? The VTEC engine that is made for 127hp is a lie, completely a hoax. I would suggest the EX engine is WEAKER than DX/LX engine, dyno proved.
I've already done my job to discuss this issue to everybody I know over the internet and life to make them NEVER buy the Civic again.
I've already done my job to discuss this issue to everybody I know over the internet and life to make them NEVER buy the Civic again.
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Originally Posted by 82801BA
I agree to you at some point. However, when talking about fuel economy, a DX/LX(your LX/EX) already have the same fuel economy as the EX(your Si), so why does the EX come for the already available DX/LX? The VTEC engine that is made for 127hp is a lie, completely a hoax. I would suggest the EX engine is WEAKER than DX/LX engine, dyno proved.
Okay, so anyway. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, but I think that you're trying to say why the EX isn't more powerful. Well, let's say the 8th gen does infact come with that new i-VTEC I K20. They could have the base DX/LX come with a variant that only pumps out 130 hp, and would get excellent fuel economy. Then, they can use the 156 hp version (the one in the link) for the EX. I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say, but I tried
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Rep Power: 0 The K20B doesn't have better economy than D17As, so I don't expect it to be here. Data is from Honda Japan website, which shows K20B has 15km/L and D17A has around 17km/L. What I am expecting is a D18, D19 or D20...... 
It is even more realistic that, if Honda is to put K20B into the REGULAR Civic, then it is, again, going to be more direct competition to the Integra(I don't like to call it RSX).....Honda will NEVER do it, because it happened before, causing the sale of Integra suffered....Again, Honda had once more slapped in its face to produce Acura CL, which led to direct competition of the Accord, causing both vehicles suffered......
Conclusion: We will still have D series engine into Civic coupe and sedan, and K20 will be kept in hatches, which keeps its ugly styling of mini-van.....The EP3 body is really a mini-van....Look at Honda Japan's website, under mini-van, for proof.
*For everybody that feels Honda lies about the D17A2 VTEC(which should be a VTEC-E engine, especially 02, 03, 04, 05 owners, which on the brochure and website says VTEC instead of VTEC-E), I would suggest that people to ask their legislator to make laws about this. The car manufacturer shall not, in any case, uses old terminology/trade mark for newly designed engine, if the concept/internal is completely different, to confuse consumer from buying what they look for.
It is even more realistic that, if Honda is to put K20B into the REGULAR Civic, then it is, again, going to be more direct competition to the Integra(I don't like to call it RSX).....Honda will NEVER do it, because it happened before, causing the sale of Integra suffered....Again, Honda had once more slapped in its face to produce Acura CL, which led to direct competition of the Accord, causing both vehicles suffered......Conclusion: We will still have D series engine into Civic coupe and sedan, and K20 will be kept in hatches, which keeps its ugly styling of mini-van.....The EP3 body is really a mini-van....Look at Honda Japan's website, under mini-van, for proof.
*For everybody that feels Honda lies about the D17A2 VTEC(which should be a VTEC-E engine, especially 02, 03, 04, 05 owners, which on the brochure and website says VTEC instead of VTEC-E), I would suggest that people to ask their legislator to make laws about this. The car manufacturer shall not, in any case, uses old terminology/trade mark for newly designed engine, if the concept/internal is completely different, to confuse consumer from buying what they look for.
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The K20B doesn't have better economy than D17As, so I don't expect it to be here. Data is from Honda Japan website, which shows K20B has 15km/L and D17A has around 17km/L. What I am expecting is a D18, D19 or D20...... It is even more realistic that, if Honda is to put K20B into the REGULAR Civic, then it is, again, going to be more direct competition to the Integra(I don't like to call it RSX).....Honda will NEVER do it, because it happened before, causing the sale of Integra suffered....Again, Honda had once more slapped in its face to produce Acura CL, which led to direct competition of the Accord, causing both vehicles suffered......
Conclusion: We will still have D series engine into Civic coupe and sedan, and K20 will be kept in hatches, which keeps its ugly styling of mini-van.....The EP3 body is really a mini-van....Look at Honda Japan's website, under mini-van, for proof.
*For everybody that feels Honda lies about the D17A2 VTEC(which should be a VTEC-E engine, especially 02, 03, 04, 05 owners, which on the brochure and website says VTEC instead of VTEC-E), I would suggest that people to ask their legislator to make laws about this. The car manufacturer shall not, in any case, uses old terminology/trade mark for newly designed engine, if the concept/internal is completely different, to confuse consumer from buying what they look for.
It is even more realistic that, if Honda is to put K20B into the REGULAR Civic, then it is, again, going to be more direct competition to the Integra(I don't like to call it RSX).....Honda will NEVER do it, because it happened before, causing the sale of Integra suffered....Again, Honda had once more slapped in its face to produce Acura CL, which led to direct competition of the Accord, causing both vehicles suffered......Conclusion: We will still have D series engine into Civic coupe and sedan, and K20 will be kept in hatches, which keeps its ugly styling of mini-van.....The EP3 body is really a mini-van....Look at Honda Japan's website, under mini-van, for proof.
*For everybody that feels Honda lies about the D17A2 VTEC(which should be a VTEC-E engine, especially 02, 03, 04, 05 owners, which on the brochure and website says VTEC instead of VTEC-E), I would suggest that people to ask their legislator to make laws about this. The car manufacturer shall not, in any case, uses old terminology/trade mark for newly designed engine, if the concept/internal is completely different, to confuse consumer from buying what they look for.
Like someone else has said time and time again, the Civic will move more upscale with the introduction of the Fit/Jazz in North America, so there is no reason why they won't use the K20B in the next Civic. The fact that it is a much cleaner burning engine than the D17 leads not only me, but most people to believe that it will be the engine that powers the next Civic. It wouldn't make sense for them not to use it. It's an economy engine, afterall.
And I don't why you think it would deter possible buyers from the RSX. If someone wants an RSX, they're going to get an RSX. Just because they have the same displacement engines, means nothing. The RSX's K20 is a performance engine, and this new i-VTEC I engine is an economy based engine. Trust me, they won't detract from eachother, they aren't even in the same category of cars. Think about it, you're looking for an RSX, which has 210 hp and a 2.0L engine, but you see a Civic sedan with a 156 hp 2.0L engine. You're not going to buy the Civic, because all everyone thinks about is horsepower. One is a sportscar, one is a family car.
Last edited by Majarvis; Oct 11, 2004 at 04:35 PM.
agreed ... they're not gonna have spent lots of money on r&d for the d17 only to scrap it
honda should raise the nsx's hp a lot ... it's really not up to par with how much it costs ... the new rl has more hp than the nsx
honda should raise the nsx's hp a lot ... it's really not up to par with how much it costs ... the new rl has more hp than the nsx
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agreed ... they're not gonna have spent lots of money on r&d for the d17 only to scrap it
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Mitsu has been using this since the EVO 5
Read.... http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...&highlight=gdi
Also straight from the horses mouth.... http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/i...GDI/page1.html
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Originally Posted by Majarvis
You have no factual proof that Honda will do this. They don't even have a current 1.8, or 1.9L engine in production right now. Do you know how many millions of dollars it probably took them to develop that engine? R&D, testing, tooling up for the actual production. They aren't going to waste a perfectly good engine like that, and then develop something else just because they don't want it to have the same displacement as an RSX or whatever. They sell 2.0L Civics elsewhere around the globe, just not here.
Like someone else has said time and time again, the Civic will move more upscale with the introduction of the Fit/Jazz in North America, so there is no reason why they won't use the K20B in the next Civic. The fact that it is a much cleaner burning engine than the D17 leads not only me, but most people to believe that it will be the engine that powers the next Civic. It wouldn't make sense for them not to use it. It's an economy engine, afterall.
And I don't why you think it would deter possible buyers from the RSX. If someone wants an RSX, they're going to get an RSX. Just because they have the same displacement engines, means nothing. The RSX's K20 is a performance engine, and this new i-VTEC I engine is an economy based engine. Trust me, they won't detract from eachother, they aren't even in the same category of cars. Think about it, you're looking for an RSX, which has 210 hp and a 2.0L engine, but you see a Civic sedan with a 156 hp 2.0L engine. You're not going to buy the Civic, because all everyone thinks about is horsepower. One is a sportscar, one is a family car.
Like someone else has said time and time again, the Civic will move more upscale with the introduction of the Fit/Jazz in North America, so there is no reason why they won't use the K20B in the next Civic. The fact that it is a much cleaner burning engine than the D17 leads not only me, but most people to believe that it will be the engine that powers the next Civic. It wouldn't make sense for them not to use it. It's an economy engine, afterall.
And I don't why you think it would deter possible buyers from the RSX. If someone wants an RSX, they're going to get an RSX. Just because they have the same displacement engines, means nothing. The RSX's K20 is a performance engine, and this new i-VTEC I engine is an economy based engine. Trust me, they won't detract from eachother, they aren't even in the same category of cars. Think about it, you're looking for an RSX, which has 210 hp and a 2.0L engine, but you see a Civic sedan with a 156 hp 2.0L engine. You're not going to buy the Civic, because all everyone thinks about is horsepower. One is a sportscar, one is a family car.
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Well.....The Fit/Jazz uses L15A engine, so there's no point that the Civic will use K20 anyway.....Honda doesn't produce K20 Civic in its homeland....
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WTF are you talking about? Learn to read, I'm getting tired of repeating myself. The K20 that they will probably use in the next Civic is currently being used in the Honda Stream which is the same basic engine as the K20A that people swap into current Civics. To sum up, the base 8th gen Civic will most likely keep the D17, whereas the LX/EX will have the K20B.
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