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You gonna pass one or two sets out for free for alternate testing? hehe

 
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Yeah right, I wish I could. I don't have that much money though. Plus I don't think I'll get that many customers to re-coupe my losses anyway. Sowwy...

 
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hummm, any time frame when these will be finished?

because if this doesn't work im going to have to break down and buy some hotchkins....

dam, no wonder there wern't any part for the vic when they were brand new... because of all the R&D. or maby it was because our cars have no potential

 
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Well, I'm going to be looking today for some more hardware. Hopefully I'll find something and I'll buy it. So... That should get here either Mon. or Tue. Maybe even Sat. As soon as it does I'll re-assemble everything and test it out again. Wish me luck!

 
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not only will i wish you i will make the luck sound sarcastic too...

good Fu-cking luck

 
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haha, Grey Porformance Autotechnik

what does end links do? O_o

 
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Endlinks hold the sway bar into place and allow it to move slightly with the car to apply the pressure it need to hold the car to the road. When upgrading your sway bar to a 20mm+ bar we have found out that the stock ones don't like it and break. So we need better ones. Hotchkis makes a set for $150, but you know grey, he wants to be different.

 
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Yep, pretty much what robbclark1 said... Thanks robbclark1. Plus my end links are height adjustable so that you can play around with sway bar clearance for modified suspensions.

 
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so.. if i got.. say... the neuspeed rear sway, it will break my endlinks?


why don't you email hotchkiss and see what their end link is made of?

 
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hey grey count me in for a set when you finish the design. I need them also.

 
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It depends on how you drive. People have had problems with the rear end links; that's for sure. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with their front end links. It seems like the front and rear end links are the same. It must be the suspension geometry in the rear; it must put more stress on the end links than it does in the front.

Nah, why? It looks like they've got similar rod ends, although their bolts are only grade 5. Plus their bushings are polyurethane, which is less stiff than what I'm planning to use.

Great, I'll let you know when I have them available.

 
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the neuspeed is 19mm.. not thick enough I think.

but the problem is, I think its a solid bar from what I remember.... not hollow like the RSX's 19mm... hence stiffer...

but Neuspeed is one of the few aftermarket companies I believe to actually R&D their products...

it should be fine.

if anything, just email them and ask.

although if you do drive like a wack and go to the track on a daily basis and abuse the heck out of your car.. perhaps the increase stiffness may take a toll on ur stock endlinks.

 
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any updates?

 
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i gotz my front sway bar comming next monday and i wanna install it with new endlink and for my rears also

 
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Yeah, I'm still looking for the spacers. I can't seem to find anything anywhere for cheap. I hope that I find something soon.

 
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i also hope you do too, soon....

 
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Allright, I bought the materials. I have enough to make 25 end link kits. Well, almost. Besides the bushings. I bought enough of those to make three kits. I'm just testing out the material for now. They're spring lock washers. Stainless steel of course.

They're called "high collar", so they're taller than usual. 1/8" to be exact. They fit around the bolt nicely with an inside diameter of .385 and they have an outside diameter of .55". They're thicker than an 1/8", so they should withstand the forces at play.

I'll use one of these near the head of the bolt and two of these near the sway bar attachment point and lower control arm attachment point. This should provide enough space to maintain the clearances. I have to look up the proper torque for that side and material of hardware too.

Looks like the problem will be solved, but I'm not 100% sure yet. The price on these things isn't that bad either, so I can still offer the end links for the price I mentioned. That is if all goes well. I might get everything on Sat., but most likely it'll get here on Mon.

I'll install everything and report back with the results ASAP. Wish me luck!

 
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i wish you alot of luck, well i'll get my front bar on monday and im going campping for a week in a half, i won't be back untill the 11th or 12th... i hope every thing goes really well

 
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bump this up

 
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Thanks.

I've been kinda reviewing this latest plan in my head and it looks like it'll work. I also found the proper torque for this combination of hardware. It's 47 foot pounds.

 
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top floor please

 
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Allright, here's an update. I received the new hardware. It's kick-***. I torqued it down to 47 foot pounds and it won't budge. That's the good part. The bad part is that I'm still getting some sort of noise from the end links. They work perfectly, but something is happening. I think it's the fact that there's no jam nut to keep the angles as they should be. Although I'm afraid that once I get a jamb nut on there I'll still have that noise. One step at a time though I guess.

If I still do get a noise after putting a jam nut on, then I think I'll be searching for a rubber cover of some sort. That will prevent the noise from occuring. I guess that's why Hotchkis chose those polyurethane spacers? ??? Although their design allows for more flex. As it is now, my design is superior for racing. That is if you can stand that clicking. I'll fix it though. Wish me luck!



Edit: After further consideration I bought the jam nuts and some neoprene o-rings for cushioning that movement. I think this will be enough, but we'll know for sure when I get the materials.

 
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dam thats really freaking nice, i can't wait till i get my hands on some...

hopefully they can get to my house before the 14th because i would like to put them on my car befor i go on a road trip.

i know i will break them, would i get a replacement if i do?

 
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I love 'em too.

Most likely they will if the next parts that I receive solve the noise problem. I'm 50/50 on this one though.

You won't break them unless you use huge bolt cutters to rip through the grade 8 steel. I can't guarantee anything yet though 'cause I'm not finished with the testing or the development for that matter. The point is to make them indestructable, so I'll keep on developing them until they're just that.

 
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hotchkis are adjustable as well. good job tho man!

 
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just thought of something... now the piece that screws in together, you know where you can adjust the height... shouldnt there be a nut on there to keep it stiff, kinda like the rear camber kit? I mean whats gunna keep that from twisting? no what I mean?

 
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well, since both sides are attached to bars, unless yoour whole anti-roll bar or lower control arm suddenly rotates then the end link is not gonna move.

 
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yeah but I think a nut on there would tighten everything up, I mean... some times if 1 nut is on a bolt its kinda loose, but once 2 nuts are butted up against each other its a lot stiffer... Lets see what grey thinks since he is making them....

 
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I agree the jam nut should help out.
damn dude HondaLuver is now officially Grey's stalker
J/K bro

 
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yea, i just hate useing sway bars and they don't work right...

i rather pay half the price for something really stiff than somethink twice the price, but just kinda stiff...

o well grey lives too far for me to stalk him