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The only way this will be resolved is dyno results. When some one else puts their stock intake back on they are going to it will give more hp now, same with everyone who went out and bought their aftermarket intakes. And for the comment about the engineers not being stupid your right, if they put performance parts on from stock then honda optional equipment would die, and the price of the car will go up. Right now they throw a price in your face and after alot of people leave the dealership they ended up paying more cause the sales person sold all the other crap for twice as much then aftermarket and it will be warrentied. I am not flaming just giving my two cents. Both sides have legit arguements.
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Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
There is one part of the powerband in which the torque is lower than stock. However, on average it yields 6.1ft-lb gain in torque at 4500RPM, and for HP it yields a gain of 5.3HP at 4750ish.
This is for the LX...cuz I have one [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
And YES, it is a noticable difference. At 4000RPM the car gets a little bit faster, giving more G forces, pushing you a bit harder back into the seat. If you can't notice this, perhaps your foot is not to the floor, or you lack a nervous system.
Throw in AEM's pulley kit, and there is quite a noticable difference.
I'm quoting AEM's website because they did this on a dyno. When I can get to a dyno, I'll let you guys know how much the AEM CAI + Pulleys gave me.
But, to say you can't notice the HP is a bit silly. I find it noticable because the car honestly speeds up when it kicks in.
bah, no sense in arguing like a bunch of sissies.
whoever thinks stock is better, fine. lets line up and settle this where it counts!
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Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
There is one part of the powerband in which the torque is lower than stock. However, on average it yields 6.1ft-lb gain in torque at 4500RPM, and for HP it yields a gain of 5.3HP at 4750ish.
This is for the LX...cuz I have one [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
And YES, it is a noticable difference. At 4000RPM the car gets a little bit faster, giving more G forces, pushing you a bit harder back into the seat. If you can't notice this, perhaps your foot is not to the floor, or you lack a nervous system.
Throw in AEM's pulley kit, and there is quite a noticable difference.
I'm quoting AEM's website because they did this on a dyno. When I can get to a dyno, I'll let you guys know how much the AEM CAI + Pulleys gave me.
But, to say you can't notice the HP is a bit silly. I find it noticable because the car honestly speeds up when it kicks in.
bah, no sense in arguing like a bunch of sissies.
whoever thinks stock is better, fine. lets line up and settle this where it counts!
Cheers
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Rep Power: 0 Teknogisis- your sure know how to eat what your fed. Do you think if AEM came up without a difference they's tell us? "Buy our intakes, even though they make no difference and some actaully slow the car down" That's why I'm trying to figure it out here. All I need is a few people to try it but everyone would rather quote other sources instead of getting the info first hand.
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Did I read that right? The LX dyno'ed more horsepower base then the EX[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: AirForce
Did I read that right? The LX dyno'ed more horsepower base then the EX[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: tekgnosis
Just to continue the flame's...
Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
There is one part of the powerband in which the torque is lower than stock. However, on average it yields 6.1ft-lb gain in torque at 4500RPM, and for HP it yields a gain of 5.3HP at 4750ish.
This is for the LX...cuz I have one [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
And YES, it is a noticable difference. At 4000RPM the car gets a little bit faster, giving more G forces, pushing you a bit harder back into the seat. If you can't notice this, perhaps your foot is not to the floor, or you lack a nervous system.
Throw in AEM's pulley kit, and there is quite a noticable difference.
I'm quoting AEM's website because they did this on a dyno. When I can get to a dyno, I'll let you guys know how much the AEM CAI + Pulleys gave me.
But, to say you can't notice the HP is a bit silly. I find it noticable because the car honestly speeds up when it kicks in.
bah, no sense in arguing like a bunch of sissies.
whoever thinks stock is better, fine. lets line up and settle this where it counts!
Cheers[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: tekgnosis
Just to continue the flame's...
Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
There is one part of the powerband in which the torque is lower than stock. However, on average it yields 6.1ft-lb gain in torque at 4500RPM, and for HP it yields a gain of 5.3HP at 4750ish.
This is for the LX...cuz I have one [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
And YES, it is a noticable difference. At 4000RPM the car gets a little bit faster, giving more G forces, pushing you a bit harder back into the seat. If you can't notice this, perhaps your foot is not to the floor, or you lack a nervous system.
Throw in AEM's pulley kit, and there is quite a noticable difference.
I'm quoting AEM's website because they did this on a dyno. When I can get to a dyno, I'll let you guys know how much the AEM CAI + Pulleys gave me.
But, to say you can't notice the HP is a bit silly. I find it noticable because the car honestly speeds up when it kicks in.
bah, no sense in arguing like a bunch of sissies.
whoever thinks stock is better, fine. lets line up and settle this where it counts!
Cheers[hr]
well, if you believe AEM's dyno, thats cool. but I've seen numerous dynos from car owners that shows that intake and etc. does little on cars like ours. and trust me, I dont believe aem's dyno at all.
InJen's dyno on our Civic is somewhat realistic. Makes me laugh though, 180 dollars+ for 4 hp? What about their dyno on the AEM CAI? 2-3 hp for 200 dollars!??
when you go dyno your car, you can tell us I guess. try to get a stock dyno in, but if you can't, thats cool too.
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Rep Power: 0 Hey Dark... finally pulled my Injen off. The car does seem to run better now. I think there are several factors causing my car to run worse with the SRI. First of all, it's been 98-100 degrees for the last 3-1/2 weeks here in Texas and I think the intake, being made of metal, is really keeping the intake air at a hotter temperature than the plastic factory intake which doesn't hold the heat like the SRI. Secondly, I noticed the filter is pretty dirty, thus probably resulting in a decreased airflow. I'll clean the filter and wait another 2 months for it to cool down around here before I re-install the intake.
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Rep Power: 0 Injen CAI or SRI is meant to increase not the cars horsepower... but to increase the sex appeal of both the car and the person driving it 
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I recently put a CAI in my car and felt an increase in low end torque and thats about all. Not to mention the sound is badass. Its really deep. I'd still say it's worth the 190 I spent on my injen rd cai.
[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] I recently put a CAI in my car and felt an increase in low end torque and thats about all. Not to mention the sound is badass. Its really deep. I'd still say it's worth the 190 I spent on my injen rd cai.
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If you have an intake such as an AEM CAI would it run better if you had an AFC or Vtech controler thingy so the right amount of air is going through the manifold or will it run ok with just the AEM CAI intake. Write back thanks
If you have an intake such as an AEM CAI would it run better if you had an AFC or Vtech controler thingy so the right amount of air is going through the manifold or will it run ok with just the AEM CAI intake. Write back thanks
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Rep Power: 0 BAK- thanks dude! I hadn't noticed you replied until just now. Just what I though! Ok so I'm getting a new muffler put on today, I'll run with just that for a while and see how I like it. I may put the SRI back on once I clean it to, to really determine the difference. Thanks again man- that was the whoel point of this thread.
Skizzer- that may help, if I had the money I'd get a controller and let you know!
Skizzer- that may help, if I had the money I'd get a controller and let you know!
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Rep Power: 0 I got a used Ractive muffler with piping to connect right to the stock exhaust resonator. I'm getting it put on in a few hours, so I'll take some pics and let you know how it looks/feels/sounds.
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[hr]Originally posted by: DarkCivic
OK here's the story- I'm driving to work the other day and I notice my CHECK ENGINE light is on. It's never been on before so I'm kind of worried. I get to work and check under the hood, all belts and sensors seem fine, gas cap was tight, the car was running perfect, so WTF? I call Honda and they say to come in on Friday. Now, I have an Injen SRI and an OBX Upper Strut Bar so I figure I should take them out before going into Honda. Last night I take them both out and put the stock air box back in, start the car, CHECK ENGINE light is still on. Fine I think, I wasn't expecting it to turn off. So my roomate comes home and suggests I reset the ECU. I dissconnect the battery for 5 mins, start the car, and viola! The CHECK ENGINE light is off! OK- so now I take the car for a spin to make sure everything is fine and dandy. Now I've had the Injen SRI for about 1 year so I'm very used to it. This was my first ride with the stock airbox in a long time, and, OMG MY CAR IS FASTER WITHOUT THE INTAKE!! The pickup was was quicker and a smoother climb through the power band. I couldn't believe it! Now, I need someone to help me out here- I need someone with prefferably an Injen SRI, but ANY intake will do. You need to have had it for at least 6 months installed in your car. Take an hour, remove the intake and put the stock airbox back in, tell me what happens. My intake is definitely dirty so I'm gonna "recharge it", but I'm not putting it back in for a while, I'm liking the stock air box! It's not as loud, but much deeper sounding and lets out less motor noise than the Injen. So what's the deal here people? Any explanations? Is anyone gonna help me in my experiment?[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: DarkCivic
OK here's the story- I'm driving to work the other day and I notice my CHECK ENGINE light is on. It's never been on before so I'm kind of worried. I get to work and check under the hood, all belts and sensors seem fine, gas cap was tight, the car was running perfect, so WTF? I call Honda and they say to come in on Friday. Now, I have an Injen SRI and an OBX Upper Strut Bar so I figure I should take them out before going into Honda. Last night I take them both out and put the stock air box back in, start the car, CHECK ENGINE light is still on. Fine I think, I wasn't expecting it to turn off. So my roomate comes home and suggests I reset the ECU. I dissconnect the battery for 5 mins, start the car, and viola! The CHECK ENGINE light is off! OK- so now I take the car for a spin to make sure everything is fine and dandy. Now I've had the Injen SRI for about 1 year so I'm very used to it. This was my first ride with the stock airbox in a long time, and, OMG MY CAR IS FASTER WITHOUT THE INTAKE!! The pickup was was quicker and a smoother climb through the power band. I couldn't believe it! Now, I need someone to help me out here- I need someone with prefferably an Injen SRI, but ANY intake will do. You need to have had it for at least 6 months installed in your car. Take an hour, remove the intake and put the stock airbox back in, tell me what happens. My intake is definitely dirty so I'm gonna "recharge it", but I'm not putting it back in for a while, I'm liking the stock air box! It's not as loud, but much deeper sounding and lets out less motor noise than the Injen. So what's the deal here people? Any explanations? Is anyone gonna help me in my experiment?[hr]
My friend................ I just went thought what you EXACTLY went though. Wow. Almsot bit by bit.
Except I have Ractive SRI.. anyway.. after getting things checked out, dealership said it was the O2 Sensor. So I gotta get that changed..............
Oh yeah, my car went way faster with STOCK intake too. But I always knew that, because I always use my other car that I know, to benchmark (I drag race it).. there is no more lagging issue with the stock intake.
But it makes sense though. Who do you think is more qualified? Engineers at Honda of Japan, or the chumps at Injen? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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Just to continue the flame's...
Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
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[hr]Originally posted by: tekgnosis
Just to continue the flame's...
Here's a link to aem's website. They do these tests on a dyno. can you notice the difference? See for yourself.
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Ever stay up and watch infomercials? You go by what AEM says on THEIR website??? Is that your bench mark information?
Oh god..................
Why don't you drink more Pepsi? They advertise that they taste better than Coke.. oh wait.. but then again.. if you go on Coke's website.. they say they taste better than Pepsi... what's going on?!?!?!?!
Oh yeah.. as for that pulling sensation you get... it's because short ram intakes take away lower end power, but it doesn't neccessarly increase top end power.... hence, when you go from almost no horsepower to some horsepower, you feel the "pull".. if you dont' believe me, try exponentially increasing your throttle... you push your pedal slooowly then push it faster as the power increases.. you'll get that G-force feeling... but that doesn't mean you're going faster than just stomping on it hard.
Same logic applies to why cars feel fastest lurging off the line.. from idle (nearly 0HP) to some horsepower (even 50, say) feels like a lot.. hence why you get the head-to-the-headrest effect.. but after that, you don't feel it, even the horsepower is at its highest.
Another example.. rollercoaster. When you go for that first big drop... you feel that eerily stomach feeling at the earliest of the maximum acceleration (when the entire coaster is straight, going down).. the acceleration stays the same as you keep going down the straight away, while your velocity is increasing (same acceleration = same force). But after that initial drop feeling, even though you are still going down, that massive feeling is gone... it's like your car at 6,100RPM.. maximum horsepower.. its there ALL the time, and your car is super quick.. you won't feel nothing, because there is no fluxiation in acceleration. Only time you fill feel it, is off the line... from 0HP to maxHP.
Get what i'm sayin???
Don't believe the marketting hype. There is a reason why AEM adverises dyno results for DOHC Civic Si.. and same reason why K&N advetises results for Dodge Dakoda... those were the BEST results of the bunch. You think they release any stats for crummy results? Nobody does. You'll never see BMW advetising their recalls for 96-98 3-series, for having weak bumpers that fail saftey tests. They only advertise the new side curtain airbags that they employ.
Think about it.
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