Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
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Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
That was the brand- Unorthodox
Here is a direct link to the specific page for each of their items offered directly for our cars:
Pully Set - Ultra SS "Code" (I think means part number) 040601102
Power steering pully 010640102
Alternator pully 010630102
Aluminum Flywheel 060610500
I know one person was at least thinking about getting the pulley set from these guys, I'll have to look up who that was if I can find them. Anyone know anything about these products aka have experience w/ them?
Here is a direct link to the specific page for each of their items offered directly for our cars:
Pully Set - Ultra SS "Code" (I think means part number) 040601102
Power steering pully 010640102
Alternator pully 010630102
Aluminum Flywheel 060610500
I know one person was at least thinking about getting the pulley set from these guys, I'll have to look up who that was if I can find them. Anyone know anything about these products aka have experience w/ them?
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Yeah, I wouldnt pick up a flywheel from these guys. But the pulley set.. anything better out there? AEM's pulley set had/has a problem with one of the pulleys, (i dont remember what exactly the problem was) but I wouldnt want to see this same problem with these ones.
That would be nice if the numbers work out so that the compression is safe to run with out having to use jet fuel or premium gas all the time. I will look into this tonight. That is a really affordable price compared to the 700+ that would be needed for a new set from wiseco.
A little bit more on the Pulleys...
Can someone explain what underdriving is and what its all about?
A little bit more on the Pulleys...
Unorthodox Racing pulley sets on average can provide gains of 8 to 15 HP and 6 to 10 lbs.-ft. on normally aspirated engines and 10 to 18 HP and 10 to 20 lbs.-ft. on forced in duc tion engines. Higher gains can be realized on vehicles that are modified. These gains are obtained in two ways. First, and most important, is the weight loss. There is an average of 2.7 HP gained from every pound lost off the crank shaft. With the lighter accessory pulleys, as much as 15% to 30% more power can be found. 85% of our gains are from weight loss. The rest of the gains are from underdriving, which accounts for about 15% of the total gains. Unorthodox Racing does not push underdriving more than 20% for two important reasons. The main reason is to keep charging systems, air conditioning, ower steering, and water pumps moving fast enough for every day driving. Second, not much horsepower is gained from extreme underdriving.
All underdriving is done with the crank pulley, not the accessory pulleys (most applications). This is done so maximum weight loss can be achieved at the crank where most of the horsepower gains are found. The accessory pulleys for most applications are stock diameter. Since the Ultra Accessory pulleys are the same diameter as the stock units, you may install an Ultra Street crank pulley as a first step. Then, at a later date, you may purchase the accessories and install them without having to change belts again (on most models).For certain applications underdriving ratios are modified with the accessory pulleys when underdriving is not feasible with the crank pulley.
All underdriving is done with the crank pulley, not the accessory pulleys (most applications). This is done so maximum weight loss can be achieved at the crank where most of the horsepower gains are found. The accessory pulleys for most applications are stock diameter. Since the Ultra Accessory pulleys are the same diameter as the stock units, you may install an Ultra Street crank pulley as a first step. Then, at a later date, you may purchase the accessories and install them without having to change belts again (on most models).For certain applications underdriving ratios are modified with the accessory pulleys when underdriving is not feasible with the crank pulley.
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Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
you can get a lot cheaper with the flywheels at dezod watch out though if you got to lite it is really annoying to try to drive on the street cause remember your revs will drop just as fast as they rise.
As far as pulleys I would stay away from crank pulley at all cost I have heard a lot of horror stories of the crank coming un-balanced because it doesn't have the proper weight on it to keep it balanced.
the alternator pulleys some time's like to kill your battery faster because you are not getting the full charge you need. But as long as the pulley is the same size and just lighter you shouldn't have a problem
As for power steering that electrical power steering is a great idea I bet you can shed some weight in the process and I think clint is right that EP3 civic si has electrical power steering. Also if you blow your engine up(like me a couple of months ago) and it stops running you can still turn your car. LOL!
As far as pulleys I would stay away from crank pulley at all cost I have heard a lot of horror stories of the crank coming un-balanced because it doesn't have the proper weight on it to keep it balanced.
the alternator pulleys some time's like to kill your battery faster because you are not getting the full charge you need. But as long as the pulley is the same size and just lighter you shouldn't have a problem
As for power steering that electrical power steering is a great idea I bet you can shed some weight in the process and I think clint is right that EP3 civic si has electrical power steering. Also if you blow your engine up(like me a couple of months ago) and it stops running you can still turn your car. LOL!
Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
I've had the full pulley set, with crank pulley, on since late 2004. Easily over 48,000 miles, and currently sitting around 73,000 miles. No problems with the engine so far [knock on wood].
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I am trying to work with the calculator:
http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/D.htm
I picked Other block with Bore: 74.98, and Stroke: 94.4.
Not sure about the other measurments including the combustion chamber volume and piston to deck height.

Polished; Includes Crank, Power Steering and Alternator Pulleys; Underdrive Standard Belt Layout; 2.75lbs; 9-13hp Gain
http://www.speeddemonperformance.com/unraulssunpu1.html 300 shipped
did you notice any difference? Did you have the OEM size, or the underdriven size?
http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/D.htm
I picked Other block with Bore: 74.98, and Stroke: 94.4.
Not sure about the other measurments including the combustion chamber volume and piston to deck height.

Polished; Includes Crank, Power Steering and Alternator Pulleys; Underdrive Standard Belt Layout; 2.75lbs; 9-13hp Gain
http://www.speeddemonperformance.com/unraulssunpu1.html 300 shipped
did you notice any difference? Did you have the OEM size, or the underdriven size?
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Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
I personally don't like to rely on the but dyno, so just after install i took the car out with some friends, they knew the car well, and didn't tell them of the change. After maybe my first or second pull, they asked me if i did some work on the engine, and the jig was up.
So yah id say there was a noticeable difference.
As far as which set i went with, its the set you have pictured there. I only remember measuring the crank pulley and its the exact same size as stock.
If you need anymore info, feel free to ask. Im sure i can dig up more info on the subject but im late for school atm >_<
So yah id say there was a noticeable difference.
As far as which set i went with, its the set you have pictured there. I only remember measuring the crank pulley and its the exact same size as stock.
If you need anymore info, feel free to ask. Im sure i can dig up more info on the subject but im late for school atm >_<
Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
Yeah, I wouldnt pick up a flywheel from these guys. But the pulley set.. anything better out there? AEM's pulley set had/has a problem with one of the pulleys, (i dont remember what exactly the problem was) but I wouldnt want to see this same problem with these ones.
That would be nice if the numbers work out so that the compression is safe to run with out having to use jet fuel or premium gas all the time. I will look into this tonight. That is a really affordable price compared to the 700+ that would be needed for a new set from wiseco.
A little bit more on the Pulleys...
Can someone explain what underdriving is and what its all about?
That would be nice if the numbers work out so that the compression is safe to run with out having to use jet fuel or premium gas all the time. I will look into this tonight. That is a really affordable price compared to the 700+ that would be needed for a new set from wiseco.
A little bit more on the Pulleys...
Can someone explain what underdriving is and what its all about?
and i have a link to a fidanza flywheel brand new.. i also bought one but havent yet installed it..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=150047869756
Re: AEM FIC w/ stage 2 build
WOW! LOL this post is awesome . ive had 2 b18 hatchys and i was running all motor . and i kneww everything there was in know . but when it came to a d17 . im, having a hard time trying things to run all motor. but no chance lol . I want to stay away from turbos or spraying.
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Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
i have an aem alternator pulley and also have a crank pulley(both used) if you want them..
and i have a link to a fidanza flywheel brand new.. i also bought one but havent yet installed it..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=150047869756
and i have a link to a fidanza flywheel brand new.. i also bought one but havent yet installed it..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=150047869756
As far as which set i went with, its the set you have pictured there. I only remember measuring the crank pulley and its the exact same size as stock.
If you need anymore info, feel free to ask. Im sure i can dig up more info on the subject but im late for school atm >_<
If you need anymore info, feel free to ask. Im sure i can dig up more info on the subject but im late for school atm >_<
I'd be down for it, but since I'm looking for all three it wouldnt be cost efficient to buy these guys outside of the offered set. Thanks though. If I look around and find the other two cheaper that it makes sence to take your off your hands then I will let you know.
Does anyone know about the combustion chamber volume and piston to deck height.part of the calculation here????
http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/D.htm
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Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
As for the AEM, its just too common of a name for me- I need to get some unique parts on my ride to set it apart, I've really lost focus of modding lately buying all the generic performance parts for the ride. I really wanna get more unique names that nobodys ever heard of and that ppl dont have on their cars.
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Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
well considering this thread has way more potential than mine ever did i will post up the tech articles and resources i used to find all my info and hopefully some of it will help you guys:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/07...ath/index.html
http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/eb20432.htm
http://www.bgsoflex.com/displacement.html
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_art...nic/sonic3.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=484
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=471
http://www.wallaceracing.com/runnertorquecalc.php
http://www.metal-wear.com/
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/2/2_camshafts.shtml
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f49/...t-tech-153746/
http://www.teammfactory.com/gearcalculator.php?refid=HT
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/i...?topic=39723.0
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1983993&page=4
http://theoldone.com/components/
http://sms-products.com/index.html
http://jdmfabtech.com/
http://www.honda-performance.com/nproducts.asp
everything to why camshaft is better for you to intake manifold calculators to ITB info , some info on block thickness if you want to increase the displacement which would help the engine breath ,some little things to help increase horsepower NA, and some good companies for custom parts to set your ride apart if you so choose.
hope this helps some triz and if not its reading material
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/07...ath/index.html
http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/eb20432.htm
http://www.bgsoflex.com/displacement.html
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_art...nic/sonic3.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=484
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=471
http://www.wallaceracing.com/runnertorquecalc.php
http://www.metal-wear.com/
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/2/2_camshafts.shtml
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f49/...t-tech-153746/
http://www.teammfactory.com/gearcalculator.php?refid=HT
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/i...?topic=39723.0
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1983993&page=4
http://theoldone.com/components/
http://sms-products.com/index.html
http://jdmfabtech.com/
http://www.honda-performance.com/nproducts.asp
everything to why camshaft is better for you to intake manifold calculators to ITB info , some info on block thickness if you want to increase the displacement which would help the engine breath ,some little things to help increase horsepower NA, and some good companies for custom parts to set your ride apart if you so choose.
hope this helps some triz and if not its reading material
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Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
Stock Crank is 6 pounds.
Ultra SS is 1.5 pounds (quoting myself from 12/01/2004)
I didnt have a digital scale, but i did use a mechanical scale that measures up to 2 lbs in ounces. Feel free to correct my numbers if you find different when you get yours ^_^
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http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/07...ath/index.html
http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/eb20432.htm
http://www.bgsoflex.com/displacement.html
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_art...nic/sonic3.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=484
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=471
http://www.wallaceracing.com/runnertorquecalc.php
http://www.metal-wear.com/
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/2/2_camshafts.shtml
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f49/...t-tech-153746/
http://www.teammfactory.com/gearcalculator.php?refid=HT
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/i...?topic=39723.0
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1983993&page=4
http://theoldone.com/components/
http://sms-products.com/index.html
http://jdmfabtech.com/
http://www.honda-performance.com/nproducts.asp
everything to why camshaft is better for you to intake manifold calculators to ITB info , some info on block thickness if you want to increase the displacement which would help the engine breath ,some little things to help increase horsepower NA, and some good companies for custom parts to set your ride apart if you so choose.
hope this helps some triz and if not its reading material
http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/eb20432.htm
http://www.bgsoflex.com/displacement.html
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_art...nic/sonic3.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=484
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=471
http://www.wallaceracing.com/runnertorquecalc.php
http://www.metal-wear.com/
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/2/2_camshafts.shtml
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f49/...t-tech-153746/
http://www.teammfactory.com/gearcalculator.php?refid=HT
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/i...?topic=39723.0
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1983993&page=4
http://theoldone.com/components/
http://sms-products.com/index.html
http://jdmfabtech.com/
http://www.honda-performance.com/nproducts.asp
everything to why camshaft is better for you to intake manifold calculators to ITB info , some info on block thickness if you want to increase the displacement which would help the engine breath ,some little things to help increase horsepower NA, and some good companies for custom parts to set your ride apart if you so choose.
hope this helps some triz and if not its reading material
The difference was quite clear actually.
Stock Crank is 6 pounds.
Ultra SS is 1.5 pounds (quoting myself from 12/01/2004)
I didnt have a digital scale, but i did use a mechanical scale that measures up to 2 lbs in ounces. Feel free to correct my numbers if you find different when you get yours ^_^
Stock Crank is 6 pounds.
Ultra SS is 1.5 pounds (quoting myself from 12/01/2004)
I didnt have a digital scale, but i did use a mechanical scale that measures up to 2 lbs in ounces. Feel free to correct my numbers if you find different when you get yours ^_^
Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
the only pullies that made a difference when i put them in my car was the p/s and alternator pully. i had put a crank pully on 1st and drove around for a couple days. no difference. when i put the other two on there was a noticeable difference. i think the only pullies that made a diff were the aem 1's. i had aem underdrive pully set and a replica of unorthodox crank pully. if i were to get pullies again i wouldnt buy the crank pully. but thats just me. plus i heard that because the aluminum crank pully has no harmonic balancer it messes up the bottom end of your motor. which my engine was making some weird noises and i changed the crank pully to stock and the noises went away.. sort of like something grinding against something..
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well if it doesnt have a damper, youre screwed. i dont think its worth destroying an engine over.
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oh i didnt realize it was just me who thought that way lmao. hey its your car, do whatever you want to it. maybe you should call up honda r&d and explain why theyre wasting their time designing a damper into the pulley and making it so heavy.
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here you go triz, read this and decide for yourself.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...k-pulleys.html
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...k-pulleys.html
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here you go triz, read this and decide for yourself.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...k-pulleys.html
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...k-pulleys.html
Next question on the unorthodox pulleys (and other pulleys such as AEM as well)... the alternator and the PS pulleys are the same size as stock and not "underdriven" correct? The underdriven part was attributed to the smaller crank pulley correct?
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im pretty sure the alt and ps are also underdriven. just reducing the weight and keeping size the same will maybe give 0.1hp lol. and i would recommend against the alternator pulley as it will just burn out the alt more often. ps pulley is fine, but just for looks. if im wrong and they are the same size as stock, it wouldnt be worth even getting. gains would be nothing.
Re: Stage 2 NA build questions - Haters keep out
i think the gains are a bit more than .1 ...lol its a noticeable difference (p/s and alternator).. i would say between 5-10 hp.. possibly even like 5whp.. and triz compared to stock the aftermarket ones are alot bigger in size. the crank pulley is not underdriven.. its just lighter..the only thing i didnt like was that after a while i had to change my alternator..
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idk, when i had my car (automatic) dynoed with pullies and intake added, it only made 2whp extra. and im guessing that was all from the intake.


