Trans swap with auto harness
Trans swap with auto harness
Hey yal im new to the group but i have been doing some reading an cant really seem to find a straight answer so i figured i post an see if someone can shoot me a straight lead. I have a 03 civic that i bought with alot of wiring issues due to swaping parts an not knowing what they were doing. I have replaced the ecu (manual) and i replaced the engine harness but i got a auto harness cause i couldnt find a manual. What do i need to do to get the auto harness to work with the manual ecu? I believe it has a manual gauge cluster in it already.
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Re: Trans swap with auto harness
Manuals have less things to connect, but looks like the common items are there
2nd post:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...sion-swap.html
pics are missing, but this is the post
2nd post:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...sion-swap.html
pics are missing, but this is the post
Parts List:
Trans
Manual Subframe
Trans Mounts
Shifter
Shift Linkage
Master Cylinder
Manual Axles (You only need the drivers side)
Slave Cylinder
Pedal Assembly
Starter
Clutch
Flywheel
Manual Center Console (Or just the shifter bezel piece)
Not needed but nice to have:
Manual ECU
Manual Cluster
Manual Dash Harness
Manual Engine Harness
UPDATE: You do not need a manual engine harness. The manual ecu will work without it.
Time for swap: If you have general knowledge I'd say it should take you a weekend maybe a few extra days.. It took me a week because I couldn't figure out why it wasn't starting and I got screwed over by this ricer down in NC.
Note: I DO NOT take any responsibility for any injury's and or problems you have with your car during or after this swap. You are doing this at your own risk. I'll be more than happy to help you work out any problems you have tho.
First thing first. I did this swap with a manual engine harness, manual ecu, and auto dash harness. I recommend going this route because I personally think you will have a less of a headache and less chance of running into problems down the road.
Step 1: Put your car up on jack stands and remove the wheels and then drain all your fluids (oil, trans, and coolant), and uplug your battery.
Step 2: Go inside your car and remove the drivers seat, brake pedal, auto shifter, gauges (if you are putting in a manual cluster), and floor mats, glove box and auto ecu. The best way to get the ecu out is to drop the glove box, unbolt the metal support and cut the plastic piece so you can bend it out of the way.
Step 3: Now you want to go to the engine bay. Start removing the header, intake, p/s pump, alternator, remove the battery and battery tray, throttle cables off the tb, remove the radiator, ac condenser, bumper support, and pull your axles.. all that good stuff . That's basically it.. There's probably a few other things I have forgotten but you'll see them when you are in there. Don't forget to unhook the auto shifter linkage. We forgot to and it snapped while pulling the motor.. No big deal .
Step 4: Now go into the engine bay. Start unhooking your engine harness. Once most of it's unplugged you should have almost the whole harness on the passenger side of the car. You should've already unplugged the ecu in the previous step so now you want to pull the connector's thru the grommet and then the harness should be removed from the car. Also this would be a good time to pull your injector rail out as well since you are in that area. The fuel rail can be a pain the first time if you haven't removed it before. Here's a good technique:
And here's a picture with the harness moved out of the way: (This pic will be used twice)
Step 5: Now it is time to start pulling the motor. Engine hoist is recommended for this step. It will make your life so much easier. You will need to find 2 places on the motor to hook up to the hoist.
Once you have the motor held by the hoist you can start taking the motor mounts off. Once you get all the mounts out carefully lift the motor out of the car.
Now you are halfway there!
Step 6: Get the motor on the ground so you can pull the crappy auto trans off the motor . Now would also be a great time to clean that motor and engine bay with the motor out. Once you get the auto trans off you need to remove that pos torque converter off. Now you are left with the motor. Go grab you flywheel and clutch and install onto your motor. Make sure the clutch is aligned before moving on.
( This pic will do for now. We were comparing the a/t flywheel bolts vs the m/t flywheel bolts)
Step 7: Get under the car and unbolt your auto subframe. Drop the bitch out and reinstall the manual. Pic!
Step 8: Now it's time to mate that awesome manual transmission up to your motor. Once you get the trans mounted get everything back up on the hoist and drop her back in. Here's a pic of it installed:
Step 9: Now would be a good time to run your clutch hardline since you don't have everything in the way. You will need to remove the cruise control box to run this behind it. Here's some pics of how mine is ran:
Step 10: Now what you want to do is run your engine harness. Run the pin portion threw the grommet towards the ecu and then start running the harness throughout the motor. Once the harness is done you want to start installing your header, intake mani, p/s pump, alternator and all that other stuff you removed in step 3. Now your motor should almost complete.
Step 11: Now get in your car and drill out the hole for the clutch and bolt it up. (No pic of this) It's pretty straight forward. Honda has a imprint in the firewall where you need to drill out at. Also bolt your brake pedal up as well since your are down there.
Step 12: Now comes the small amount of wiring you need to do. You need to unbolt the 10mm bolt that holds the underdash fuse box up and drop it all the way down. Here's a picture of the diagram:

Now what ur going to do is, is go up under the dash on the drivers side. Ur gonna want to locate the fuse box. There's a 10mm bolt and unbolt it so the fuse box will move down to where u can access towards the top. Next, your going to want to locate connector D. If i recall it's located in the middle on the 2nd row from the top. Don't quote me on that one. Once u find this connector, pull it out. Then locate pin 7 (Lt. Green) and pin 10 (Blue/Black). Come out from the fuse box a little and cut both of them. Now what your going to want to do is put the connectors with a loop on the end on all 4 so u can run a bolt thru them. Find urself a grounding point, and ground all 4 wires out at the same point. Just do this so u don't ground out the half of the wires as i did and didn't discover for 6 months. Afterwards, connect ur battery and when u turn the key on the P should b lite up (If you are running the auto gauge cluster). This will allow the car to start after this swap.
Step 13: Now you want to install you awesome shifter box. I suggest buying the strut king shifter cable and base bushing. You can get them from Corsport for pretty cheap. I also recommend the revo ss shifter as well. 89 shipped from Clubrsx when I bought it. Now hook up your shifter cables to the shifter. You can hook up the cables to the trans itself now if you didn't already. Also be sure to bolt the cables to the undercarriage. There's a spot on the chassis. You will see it when you are under there.
Step 14: Finish installing all your interior back together. Hook up your ecu as well. Before putting the glove box back this would be a great time to wire up your reverse lights.
Step 15: Now that your interior is complete all you really need to do is fill up all your fluids... Oil, Trans fluid, and coolant and hook up your battery.
Step 16: Now go back and double check everything. Make sure everything is tight, plugged in and ready to go. Now is the time for truth. Get in your car and see if it starts. If it does give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.
Hopefully this helps you out.
Trans
Manual Subframe
Trans Mounts
Shifter
Shift Linkage
Master Cylinder
Manual Axles (You only need the drivers side)
Slave Cylinder
Pedal Assembly
Starter
Clutch
Flywheel
Manual Center Console (Or just the shifter bezel piece)
Not needed but nice to have:
Manual ECU
Manual Cluster
Manual Dash Harness
Manual Engine Harness
UPDATE: You do not need a manual engine harness. The manual ecu will work without it.
Time for swap: If you have general knowledge I'd say it should take you a weekend maybe a few extra days.. It took me a week because I couldn't figure out why it wasn't starting and I got screwed over by this ricer down in NC.
Note: I DO NOT take any responsibility for any injury's and or problems you have with your car during or after this swap. You are doing this at your own risk. I'll be more than happy to help you work out any problems you have tho.
First thing first. I did this swap with a manual engine harness, manual ecu, and auto dash harness. I recommend going this route because I personally think you will have a less of a headache and less chance of running into problems down the road.
Step 1: Put your car up on jack stands and remove the wheels and then drain all your fluids (oil, trans, and coolant), and uplug your battery.
Step 2: Go inside your car and remove the drivers seat, brake pedal, auto shifter, gauges (if you are putting in a manual cluster), and floor mats, glove box and auto ecu. The best way to get the ecu out is to drop the glove box, unbolt the metal support and cut the plastic piece so you can bend it out of the way.
Step 3: Now you want to go to the engine bay. Start removing the header, intake, p/s pump, alternator, remove the battery and battery tray, throttle cables off the tb, remove the radiator, ac condenser, bumper support, and pull your axles.. all that good stuff . That's basically it.. There's probably a few other things I have forgotten but you'll see them when you are in there. Don't forget to unhook the auto shifter linkage. We forgot to and it snapped while pulling the motor.. No big deal .
Step 4: Now go into the engine bay. Start unhooking your engine harness. Once most of it's unplugged you should have almost the whole harness on the passenger side of the car. You should've already unplugged the ecu in the previous step so now you want to pull the connector's thru the grommet and then the harness should be removed from the car. Also this would be a good time to pull your injector rail out as well since you are in that area. The fuel rail can be a pain the first time if you haven't removed it before. Here's a good technique:
And here's a picture with the harness moved out of the way: (This pic will be used twice)
Step 5: Now it is time to start pulling the motor. Engine hoist is recommended for this step. It will make your life so much easier. You will need to find 2 places on the motor to hook up to the hoist.
Once you have the motor held by the hoist you can start taking the motor mounts off. Once you get all the mounts out carefully lift the motor out of the car.
Now you are halfway there!
Step 6: Get the motor on the ground so you can pull the crappy auto trans off the motor . Now would also be a great time to clean that motor and engine bay with the motor out. Once you get the auto trans off you need to remove that pos torque converter off. Now you are left with the motor. Go grab you flywheel and clutch and install onto your motor. Make sure the clutch is aligned before moving on.
( This pic will do for now. We were comparing the a/t flywheel bolts vs the m/t flywheel bolts)
Step 7: Get under the car and unbolt your auto subframe. Drop the bitch out and reinstall the manual. Pic!
Step 8: Now it's time to mate that awesome manual transmission up to your motor. Once you get the trans mounted get everything back up on the hoist and drop her back in. Here's a pic of it installed:
Step 9: Now would be a good time to run your clutch hardline since you don't have everything in the way. You will need to remove the cruise control box to run this behind it. Here's some pics of how mine is ran:
Step 10: Now what you want to do is run your engine harness. Run the pin portion threw the grommet towards the ecu and then start running the harness throughout the motor. Once the harness is done you want to start installing your header, intake mani, p/s pump, alternator and all that other stuff you removed in step 3. Now your motor should almost complete.
Step 11: Now get in your car and drill out the hole for the clutch and bolt it up. (No pic of this) It's pretty straight forward. Honda has a imprint in the firewall where you need to drill out at. Also bolt your brake pedal up as well since your are down there.
Step 12: Now comes the small amount of wiring you need to do. You need to unbolt the 10mm bolt that holds the underdash fuse box up and drop it all the way down. Here's a picture of the diagram:

Now what ur going to do is, is go up under the dash on the drivers side. Ur gonna want to locate the fuse box. There's a 10mm bolt and unbolt it so the fuse box will move down to where u can access towards the top. Next, your going to want to locate connector D. If i recall it's located in the middle on the 2nd row from the top. Don't quote me on that one. Once u find this connector, pull it out. Then locate pin 7 (Lt. Green) and pin 10 (Blue/Black). Come out from the fuse box a little and cut both of them. Now what your going to want to do is put the connectors with a loop on the end on all 4 so u can run a bolt thru them. Find urself a grounding point, and ground all 4 wires out at the same point. Just do this so u don't ground out the half of the wires as i did and didn't discover for 6 months. Afterwards, connect ur battery and when u turn the key on the P should b lite up (If you are running the auto gauge cluster). This will allow the car to start after this swap.
Step 13: Now you want to install you awesome shifter box. I suggest buying the strut king shifter cable and base bushing. You can get them from Corsport for pretty cheap. I also recommend the revo ss shifter as well. 89 shipped from Clubrsx when I bought it. Now hook up your shifter cables to the shifter. You can hook up the cables to the trans itself now if you didn't already. Also be sure to bolt the cables to the undercarriage. There's a spot on the chassis. You will see it when you are under there.
Step 14: Finish installing all your interior back together. Hook up your ecu as well. Before putting the glove box back this would be a great time to wire up your reverse lights.
Step 15: Now that your interior is complete all you really need to do is fill up all your fluids... Oil, Trans fluid, and coolant and hook up your battery.
Step 16: Now go back and double check everything. Make sure everything is tight, plugged in and ready to go. Now is the time for truth. Get in your car and see if it starts. If it does give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.
Hopefully this helps you out.
Re: Trans swap with auto harness
Ya i seen that one. But he did it with stuff im not using so was confussed on what to do. But ill follow it up an install the harness back in an put the motor back in it an see what happens.
Re: Trans swap with auto harness
Im gonna put the motor in it today an hook everything up an see what happens with it. I know i need to have the ecu flashed to the key. But after that imma see if it will start or run or if it does anything
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Re: Trans swap with auto harness
technically your auto ECU should start the engine
nowadays, some locksmiths carry the key programmer too, so you can call them to your car
nowadays, some locksmiths carry the key programmer too, so you can call them to your car
Re: Trans swap with auto harness
I have the manual ecu. I didnt get a auto one with the car. It came with another manual ecu that was suppost to have a k tune in it but the guy i got it from really messed up alot of stuff an i dont know if it was true or not. Ill try to post some pics of the car before i started on it
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I have the manual ecu. I didnt get a auto one with the car. It came with another manual ecu that was suppost to have a k tune in it but the guy i got it from really messed up alot of stuff an i dont know if it was true or not. Ill try to post some pics of the car before i started on it
they will not retain it.
typically they use a RSX ECU and piggyback on it or it's a stand alone ECU
Re: Trans swap with auto harness
Kinda figured it wasnt true lol but i got a new ecu thats for a manual. So i took care of that issue all together. Later today ill get the harness back in an get the motor back in an hooked up. Now will it start without the key programmed to the ecu?
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Re: Trans swap with auto harness
I dont have an auto ecu. An the ecu that they had in the car wouldnt allow them to start it either. It threw the key light an wouldnt start the car. He had to tr to bypass the immobleizer to do that. And thats part of that whole mess that i tore out an replaced
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Re: Trans swap with auto harness
so both ECU's might need a key programming and car will not move...
just confirm with locksmith that they have a programmer tool and have them come to your car
just confirm with locksmith that they have a programmer tool and have them come to your car
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