Suspension Performance Modifications Post Suspension related modification information and/or questions here

Front sway bar

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 30, 2020
  #1  
KiteKing86's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
 
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Southeastern Wisconsin
Rep Power: 0
KiteKing86 is an unknown quantity at this point
Front sway bar

I have an 05 em2 coupe that I'm building up the suspension and I'm wondering if an aftermarket front sway bar is worth it. I've got the rear sway bar taken care of.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2020
  #2  
GolNat's Avatar
Prelude Owner
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,201
Likes: 357
From: DE
Rep Power: 243
GolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to beholdGolNat is a splendid one to behold
Re: Front sway bar

Depends what you want out of the car. I found just upgrading the rear made the car much more neutral. It handled like I wanted it with just a rear upgrade. You could stiffen up the front and make it fo back to more Understeer
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2020
  #3  
sdaidoji's Avatar
PITA Admin
Administrator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,176
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367
sdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud of
Re: Front sway bar

I do autoX, so I completely removed my front bar and have the 1" rear progress bar. With camber correction front/rear (-1.5F/-0.5R), it still understeer.
my opinion is:
want the car to feel with less roll, so "feel faster"? keep stock bar.
want to really go faster, even if it feels weird in having the front roll and the rear lift the inside tire? remove the bar and correct the camber.
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2020
  #4  
ck1984's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Rep Power: 0
ck1984 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Front sway bar

Originally Posted by KiteKing86
I have an 05 em2 coupe that I'm building up the suspension and I'm wondering if an aftermarket front sway bar is worth it. I've got the rear sway bar taken care of.
WHAT exactly did you do to upgrade the rear bar?
Im also looking to better my cornering/handling and not sure where to start. it already has 205/55R16 wheels with winter pirellis over n above the stock 195/65R16s. but im looking to upgrade swaybars and tower brace if applicable?
Would an Si set of swaybars fit?
Reply
Old Feb 3, 2020
  #5  
sdaidoji's Avatar
PITA Admin
Administrator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,176
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367
sdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud of
Re: Front sway bar

See links in my signature
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2020
  #6  
mac25's Avatar
Dr Krieger of Modification
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,407
Likes: 84
From: canada
Rep Power: 229
mac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to behold
Re: Front sway bar

Originally Posted by sdaidoji
I do autoX, so I completely removed my front bar and have the 1" rear progress bar. With camber correction front/rear (-1.5F/-0.5R), it still understeer.
my opinion is:
want the car to feel with less roll, so "feel faster"? keep stock bar.
want to really go faster, even if it feels weird in having the front roll and the rear lift the inside tire? remove the bar and correct the camber.

Agree! No front sway for track use

I also cross and run

-front sway deleted
-front solid strut bar
-rear progress sway
-rear adjustable control arms
-lowered coilovers on 4 corners
-3 inch adaptors all round
-225 square stance
-cant remember degrees but negative all round (almost straight front, 1 inch tilted in on top, rear)
-30psi front 28 rear
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2020
  #7  
sdaidoji's Avatar
PITA Admin
Administrator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,176
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367
sdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud of
Re: Front sway bar

Originally Posted by ck1984
WHAT exactly did you do to upgrade the rear bar?
Im also looking to better my cornering/handling and not sure where to start. it already has 205/55R16 wheels with winter pirellis over n above the stock 195/65R16s. but im looking to upgrade swaybars and tower brace if applicable?
Would an Si set of swaybars fit?
ah, you have a different generation car compared to a 05 - specific bars will not apply to your car.
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2020
  #8  
BrotatoChip's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,073
Likes: 2,096
From: Ohio
Rep Power: 224
BrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud ofBrotatoChip has much to be proud of
Re: Front sway bar

What's the reasoning for removing the front sway bar? Since it's a MacPherson strut setup more body roll equates to more negative camber on the front outside wheel therefore creating more traction?
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2020
  #9  
mac25's Avatar
Dr Krieger of Modification
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,407
Likes: 84
From: canada
Rep Power: 229
mac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to beholdmac25 is a splendid one to behold
Re: Front sway bar

I'm not sure why it works but it is a known performance build for track cars.

Its steering related specifically an increase in sharp turning at speed.

I'd guess that while turning the shift in momentum, which causes body roll, also causes the inner tire (to the turn) to loose traction with the road; in effect causing the 4 wheel car to operate as a 3 wheel car, and turn on 1 wheel. Allowing sharper turns.

of course this is only possible with tight suspension without much travel, and increased grip on the remaining tires. Definitely not a good idea for a stock road car.
Reply
Old Feb 7, 2020
  #10  
sdaidoji's Avatar
PITA Admin
Administrator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,176
Likes: 1,605
From: TN
Rep Power: 367
sdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud ofsdaidoji has much to be proud of
Re: Front sway bar

the 3 wheeler is true.
By removing the bar, the wheels will be free to move (within suspension constraints), so they will not be "locked" to follow the chassis. The suspension will droop until the arms get to their limit. close to a solid axle. one side wheel try to follow the wheel on the other side.

to better explain, the extreme case of lifting the inside wheel works best

See lots of mazda3, mini, older gen civics, neon, older sentras lifting the rear inside wheel.
some BMW, spyder, porsche etc are setup such that will lift the front wheel. A 95 M did indeed lift front wheel a foot around the whole sweeper....

What it does in the extreme case that lifts the wheel?
It basically removes one traction point and moves all the load to the other three.
so, the end that needs more traction on that specific car will have more traction points (by removing one on the end that have too much traction)

Note that this will effectively reduce total traction by removing one tire, but the balance will be better.
Also, the lost traction is not 1/4, for the tire traction is dependent of the load applied to it, so remove one wheel and the load goes to the other three.

many cars does not get to that extreme (or might not even do it)
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Honda Civic Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mavrick272
Suspension Performance Modifications
2
Nov 14, 2009 11:12 PM
ctv
Suspension Performance Modifications
24
Nov 5, 2004 07:41 PM
CoupeStylz
General Honda Civic Forum Archive.
29
Feb 11, 2004 06:43 PM
bear
Suspension Performance Modifications
6
Sep 20, 2003 08:21 PM
DriftR
General Honda Civic Forum Archive.
18
May 7, 2002 11:19 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:10 AM.