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Was that on alcohol or nitrous or anything, or just FI?

 
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21 psi, race gas, 75 shot and revving to 9k....

Which you aren't going to be running race gas everyday.... so to pretend you daily drive a car at 430 whp on a d17 is kinda silly, and nitrous is a joke, especially when you can only run it with race gas.

 
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Let it go Andy just let it go

I did

 
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But seriously, was it on alcohol or nitrous? What fuel?

I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest.

 
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that engine has to be bulletproof. Thats a lot of octane/revs/boost all crammed in at once.

 
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Yeah, but from Andy's platform, it only has to sustain that abuse for minutes at a time, not daily.

 
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You were brave enough to sign 2 waivers when they were dyno tuning your car. So if it did happen to blow up you couldn't sue them was that the idea?

 
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yea Andys got an incredible motor as well. Especially considering he built it himself. These two instances show a built D17 has potential. 430hp from 1.7L is simply incredible.

But Supers motor is more show driven, and running all that at once shows its seeminly bulletproof durability. But then Andy is daily driving 25psi which is also mindblowing. Idk the specs of supers build, but with that kind of show etc im suprised hes not making the same NA power Andy is. tune perhaps?

and im not taking sides with either here. I respect you both highly with your contributions to the Single Slammer D17 scene and cars. But you both can come across as condescending douschebags with a unique sense of modesty at times. I know Andy is like the turbo daddy of this site, and mex man also has his share of good DIYs (spring install I believe?)

 
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Looking at the difference, mex is a d17a1 and andy is a d17a2 i believe. idk if aftermarket cams make a difference, but the VTEC a2 motor has 4 more lobes per single camshaft. so I guess that accomadates a small descrepency?

 
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The a2 has the same amount of lobes as the a1. The real difference is in the turbo's and the head. Hector has a full port and polish, my head casting is completely stock.

 
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worst thread of the millenium...thanks guys.

 
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Ohh I stand corrected. But i could have sworn that a member on here recently posted in a thread about a head conversion that the a2 has 4 more lobes than the a1.

Also, I thought a p&p helped the head get more air into the cylinder?

 
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lol IMO both vics are jus as sick .. to turn this into a competion is jus stupid but i dun consider 9k, Big T, NOS, and 2 signed waivers as a DD. Even Andy said .. at 450 whp this car is nothing but a track ***** .. something u can pound on everyday is a daily driver and that is capped @ ~350whp for our 7thgens i think.. with that said, a car where u hit nos, full boost, and rev to 9k is not a DD but definately a sick *** D17

 
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The type of vtec on the a2 only operates 3 valves per cylinder. When vtec engages, the 4th valve is engaged. The a1 just operates all valves at once, constantly.

Headwork can help, if done properly. It ultimately comes down to the head's ability to flow and the turbo's ability to remain in efficiency range. If your head can't flow, you won't make power. If your turbo is backed up (too small turbine wheel/housing or exhaust) it will restrict flow.

 
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I drove the car almost every day, to work, every meet, including Atlanta.
Everything worked on it on pump gas.
Including all the safety features and A/C everything worked!

It is normal to use high octaine gas for dyno pulls and while racing as a precaution

and with all that look at this engine bay CLEAN


Let's see the other one.
It is attention do detail follow by functionality, is a lot of time and maintenace.

I don't understand how anyone that just say something to debunked someone, it makes it the truth.
what happen with see it to belive it?

It is more amazing that ppl belive it just because someone said so.
You may had voted for Bush

Say it , mean it , prove it.

Plenty of members here saw me driving it, in Atlanta, Miami. Orlando, during after and before the track.
I have all the body work receipts to prove it.
And no I didn't do the body work my self.
I make a lot of money because I work a lot of hours, and yes, I did took body work in high school so I could do it I wanted to , I just don't have the time.
if you do have all that time to work on yours may be you need better job.

my car never broke on me and I always runed hard.
Is nice to have ice cold fully functionable A/C on a 400whp + D17 civic and other in cab amenities Not everyone can said that!


And plenty of ppl that seen my car in real life can atest to that.

I'd NEVER NEVER went into any of your guys post to bash you just because I didn't like what you posted nor decided for you that:
it is isn't so, it does not work that way, you don't do any work into your car and so and so on.

Guys don't belive everything you hear.

Specially when I could be accross the continent.

like I said you don't know me just assumed because that's the only way to get the uperhand. (In your head)

Now if you do know me personaly and can actualy see what I do or don't and have a problem with what I say is the truth
then that's a different story.
Anyone ? anyone? .......

that's what I though

I never neven forced or insulted anyone here for not using my set up's.
If is not for you, well don't do it.
It worked for me. for many magazines and sponsors
If you dont like my car is all good, I respect that.
no insults will come your way.

Disclaimer
(the words **** **** ******* dumbass where not used in this post.
We, civilized ppl can actualy have a healthy discution and disagreements as educated ppl that we are)
Spell check OWNS ME

 
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Can someone please close this thread? It serves no purpose but to ignite pissing contests and stroke egos. No one's learning anything thing but supermex's ego is bigger than his power numbers.

 
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Than why you keep posting?
I'm answering your questions.
You have a choice not to post!