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i work at a garage with a full service machine shop, performance shop, and repair shop. we build everything from honda motors to circle track motors. at the time, all we have is a dynojet chassis dyno. were looking into getting an engine dyno.

 
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i think a better header would be nice, not the crap now where the tubes are huge and it causes power loss, but something with port matched runners, equal length, etc. obviously will need some flow testing done to find a good configuration. but its possible. i can put in $50 in a week. oh and maybe a better throttle body than the ported stock one that throws engine codes all the time for bad tps voltages.

 
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well, for the header, i have an extra head and exhaust manifold flange and a flowbench. i never liked the headers out for the d17. hell the dc one looks like a stock ex exhaust manifold.

 
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true... i think doing sum work on a new header should be one of the more primary things we can work towards. theres sum prototype IM and headwork will take alot longer and more work towards. designing an efficient header would be great, because lots of people buy headers for our cars as one of their first mods..if we can get one that actually increases performance im sure alot more people would invest in it and we might actually create something that will make it worth the cost to make it.

 
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hmm.. makes me wanna just save my d17 instead of a swap for the future.

 
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o brother

 
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Its already been said... the parts are out there. pistons, light rods, stage 3 cam, kpro, (IMO the hp "race header" is the best for top end power) a custom header would be too much cash for a small gain over exhisting long tube headers. I have thought about the custom itb set ups i have seen on
d16's they can easily be adapted to a d17. but if you just slap itbs on a stock compression engine the gains might be losses. So to see a na power improvement you really have to build the block. Not many people are willing to fork over the cash for that. myself, i need to finish my swap. once that is done i will be selling my d17 stuff maybe someone will pick up the ball and run with it. who knows.

 
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this idea is gonna go down the drain isnt it...

 
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Long thread.
In order to get this going someone is going to have to do this by themselves. I know it sucks to take on all the risk, but that's just what its going to take.
We have an engine built in a time of predestined obsoletion.
This engine was built with a purpose in mind. Going fast was not even in the top 50. These are purpose built engines that do there job.
Just like the folks who try to mod F series engines, they don't see a good gain from any single mod. But only after they have totally rebuilt the engine do they begin to see any good from all the money spent.

The jist.
Our cars are not meant to be fast. They can be made to go faster. But the cost to HP ratio is pathetic especially when your talking about Natural Aspiration. The best bang for your buck is forced induction.

To anyone who hates this post ask yourself, wouldn't you rather have a SRT-4, or a G35, or a WRX, or any car that can be modded for some decent gains?

I love the fact that you guys are trying im just saying someone is going to have to take a bath to make this one happen.

Sorry!

 
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i wouldnt trade my civic for any of those cars actually lol or any other car. why buy a car thats already "premodded" or fast or whatever. no fun in that. whole point in modding is to make the car the way you want it. and nobody here is expecting huge gains, even 20whp would be decent when you start with 90whp stock.

 
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i think everyone here know that our cars were not meant to go fast but that didn't stop alot of us from trying.it all up to someone to show us what the motor can do when its put though the full on build up. who know this might be the start of actual putting on parts that give something.if we all throw a few dollars in maybe we could have a list of parts tested that would give some hp.example in import tuners were they have that pro and con section to parts.

with this it would also help out the turbo goes because if you start with a high hp number when n/a then add a turbo then it would help them out with there power goals if you guys understand what i mean.
i am just saying my part i will be able to give 50 to the cause

 
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I know what you guys mean, and trust me I feel the same way.
Side note: Ive seen your civic gearbox and I wouldn't trade that car for a WRX,SRT-4,or a G35.

Im just stating that someone is going to have to go it alone at first. Set a clear goal and then try to get everyone else to strive for it. ITB, Heads,IM,EMS,High Comp,etc...

Give us something clear to strike for. Lets get someone who knows what they are doing(gearbox) or someone of that caliber. And then lets see what we can do. Just saying "I wish" never got anybody anywhere.

I vote for either ITB, a new TPS/TB combo, or a new IM.
Put me down for twenty.

 
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Right on man, couldn't have said it better.

 
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i have found quite a few options for ITB setup in my suggestions thread if you guys want to check them out....

 
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links??

 
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https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...ggestions.html

theres the thread most of them have links and the ones that dont just google the name...

 
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i will really like this thing to happen and like a guy said a few bucks wuldnt hurt...this can be the beginning of something big nobody knows for sure but hey nothing is impossible...HEY triz how can i sign up for a donation?? let me know im down!

 
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import tuner or turbo did a build on the itbs for a sohc in there mag i would have to look in my collection what moth it was but there is a start.

 
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hey Triz... im down for pitching in money for this!

please let me kno how...excpect about 20 bucks from me!


interested in ITB and custom cam for non-vtec LX motor!!

 
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^ not to knock the dx/lx folks- but why would you want to build a honda engine with out vtec. I could imagine it would be pretty rough because you'd be driving the higher profile cam all the time, no switch over from regular, or vtec profile- which would make driveabilty suck. In fact, I have an LX. Got a head on my bench thats awaiting stage 2 crower cam, and high reving valvetrain with titanium retainers. Shipping out today I believe. The head swap is a fairly cheap- you can get a head for 150 bucks, vtec controler such as a used vafc2 for what... 130 bucks? [I believe this vtec contoler could also be taken out of the equation if you were planning on going with hondata, or aem ems anyways] You just gained a few horses and opened up your motor to all the cams, valves, valve springs, retainers, etc that are already out there- allowing you to take advantage of overboaring the head as well. Plus, you actually have a better compression ratio over the straight ex folks. Sounds like a win win to me. Oh, forgot you have to throw in the price of gaskets- should always replace the head gasket if your pulling the head. Thats 30 bucks or so. Pretty cheap for gaining access to a bunch of aftermarket performance parts, at least I think so. I also forgot, the ports on the exhaust are totaly differnt between the lx head, and the ex head- so part swapping wouldnt be as easy.

Just read the posting here for the non vtec guys: https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...ml#post4212665 about the non vtec cam. I think I read they need your stock cam, (maybe that was another thing I read) but I dont see why- They would have to be building the cam up, not grinding it down, so it would be a whole new cam.


New names will be added, for thoes who have provided an amount.

If you support, just post how much your down to kick to the cause (and any hook ups you have that would help this along- like maybe an uncle with the last name crower or any diesel mf'ers who build custom auto parts all day or something) in this thead and I'll add your name up to the list for everyone to see that you kick ***.

 
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Triz I can pitch in 20dollars for now (low on budget) just a thought how about u add a car pic right next to the names that are pitching in??just a thought well put me down for 20

 
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^ I dont want to have to worry about resizing and digging up a picture of peoples car. How about I add peoples avatar instead? Your added.

 
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Triz, is there a place we can see whos who and the donation amount...like a list?

 
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ummm... go to the first post

 
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man idk what to do about a ex head swap and stage 2 cam then...cuz i was going to order everything and do it last year but i need a shop to do it cuz im not experienced in swapping a head..etc. and they charged lik 600-700 for a head swap, camshaft, and tune w/vafc2


thats 2 shops that i went to both said about the same price^^

 
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Check out xproductions diy on the head swap and vafc2 upgrade. They only charge you so much because they have to go online and figure out everything we allready know here on the forum.

My stage 2 cam and springs/titaninum retainers were shipped out today from dezod. Maybe redo the diy with more detail, or just add to it, or something. But seriously, I think you should be able to do it yourself, plus I will have done it and can help you. Just PM me.

 
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Yeah its not all that hard. You can do headswap by yourself with the Honda Bible. Like triz said if you need help you can ask him or me. I've changed heads before and replaced headgaskets. It only gets intense when you switch your cam, retainers, valves, rocker arms, etc. Simple headswap isnt too bad.

 
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alright thanks guys^ ill let u kno if i go through with it or not

 
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looking forward to seeing what kinda gains you get from that, keep us updated.

has anyone talked to dezod to see how they feel about this? maybe set a goal of how much we can raise. i'm part of a bunch of other forums (don't really post too much) but between all of us, i'm sure we can get more people in on this, especially if we put links in our sigs, post up threads about it, ect.

 
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Airheadsman2k3 - Currently, there are no rocker arms for our cars, at least none that I've seen. I've been looking at the rocker arms wondering if they could be improved. Dont know what they'd benefit, a lighter, stronger crankshaft would be nice.

rick1574 - I was thinking maybe we could get some photoshop guys to do a img we can put in our sig. Anyone?