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This idea (and its corrosponding posts) were moved from the following thread for organization sake:
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...go-n-post.html



A lot of people wanna see what a NA setup can do, but no1 ever puts any more into it. Man I've been thinking for a long that if a lot of us pitched in like 20 bucks or something to a fund, we could sponsor or co-sponsor somone to do all the grunt work for a full NA build. Or sponsor some with the know-how like dezod?

Like myself, one of many, wouldnt mind doing a NA build, but I dont have the money, I got a whole bunch of ideas that never seem to make it past parkinglot conversation kuz they are just too expensive. Sure I'd like to do ITB's, but I dont have the moeny to buy up all the parts, work with the machine shop and have him take care of the welding. I mean, we all have tallents- I have a friend in electrical enginering, this guy does amazing things with electronics, I also know a couple shop guys (they'd still charage), and could get together with a guy that has built his own car- fiberglassing the entire body. Also have a friend that owns at autocad. Obviously my little support base isnt big enough to pop off a full na build. But a lot of people have had the interest, and we all have our own tallents. What if we come together and contribute our services to make something like this happen... or if we all tryed to pitch in a few bucks if we could?

This kind of reminds me when derek needed some money for the new server, you still see everyone with the "look at me, i'm a supporting member" under their names. Something like that.

Hope floats, but I couldnt get this idea to fly by myself.


# Member - Amount
1 LT2004ever - $50.00

2 Alpha 5 - $50.00

3 speedfoos - $50.00

4 rick1574 - $50.00

5 DsevenEm2 - $25

6 civic-driver - $30.00
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7 Ruamit03 - $25.00
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8 Gearbox - $50.00

9 cleanmagcivic - $50.00
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10 drjvic04 - $20.00

11 Matteo - $20.00
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12 ex_civic - $20.00

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Supporting total: $440.00

 
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^^ well said TRIZ, but seeing as how the amont of active posters has seriously declined since 7thgen... i dont know if we could get enough people. Like you already know i'd be game to try to pool people for such a project... yes even with my auto... just cause i like the idea.


hehe i use Autocad '08 everyday here at my internship

 
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i'd throw some money to see an n/a build. and i don't think it just has to be this thread, i think every person with a 7thgen who wants to mod it out at least knows about dezod and i've NEVER heard anything bad about them. we all know the forums that are out there, what if we were to do a giant fund raiser or something like that. how much money would really need to be raised in order to get something like a d17 n/a build off the ground.

just reading around some other threads here, i think a descent n/a build is possible. on guy here got 147whp with cams, header, and k-pro. think about what more could be done with properly tuned IM's or TB's.

i'm down.

 
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I would be good for $50.00, so long as we would be kept up to date on the progess of the pieces. I may even go in for a lot more if after it was all said and done we split the profits. That is how investing works. If it bombs then it is all of our loss if it is a big hit then we split the $$$ and thumb our noses at those that mocked us.

Also we use Auto cad 2008 and Inventor along with a lot of other really cool toys. We have Shears, Breaks, Plasma tables, Laser tables, Cad Cam Lathes, Robots and all kinds of machinists.

 
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what profit would we get out of a built d17? i think id be just good knowing i contributed in some way to a beautifully built d17. however, i dont think that $20 from each person will make it too far. we'd have to make a huge thread and post it in tons of not just 7th gen but other honda forums as well. i duno. im down if anything. will the mods be cool with it?

 
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Since TRIZ started the idea and TRIZ is a MOD, I think the Mods would be down.

 
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^^^ TRIZ is a mod?!?!?!?!? WHEN?!?! wow i never noticed that

 
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It says so under his Handle. I tried to change mine to moderator like him. It would not let me. He has to be the real deal....

 
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I am down....I am a N/A guy so i m deff gonna keep an eye of this post and see wat they have to say.

 
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I dont speak for the entire MOD team, or Civicdave- who of course probably would have the final say in something like this. I was just saying that this kind of reminds me when derek needed some support for the members- the members on the site coming together to make something happen that otherwise wouldnt have with out their help (For thoes that werent here to remember that: the site shutting down because of server issues).

 
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Alright what we need here is a price tally. I would be down to support the R &D by $50 as well. But the key here is R & D, and the end goal should something affordable that your run of the mill "I want to go N/A and get decent performance" guy (or gal) can afford. Do we think this can be done and get an end result that would cost less than say, $2K to duplicate? I don't know. Lots of moving parts here that need to come together. I don't know the first thing about building a reliable, cost efficient D17, but I'd be willing to throw some cash and general support at it.

 
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so we should start an official list of people who'd be in, and how much they'd be willing to donate to this kinda cause. if we get enough and dezod agrees, then we could really get something started. so i guess i'll start.

#1 for at least $50. if we could get a bunch of people into this and taking it seriously, i'd go for $100.

 
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So lets start a list of committed donators...like already have the money set aside if this actually starts moving and gets into effect

 
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I will add peoples name to the orig. posting.

 
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Im thinking the same as this guy.. the goal of this is not to make the biggest baddest NA D17. This is definately geared more towards R&D to make an acceptable NA version of the D17. Something that has the power and can actually keep up with other popular NA motors like the B series and possibly the K series. Im down for at least $20. Im on a budget right now and cant really afford to donate too much. But i figure i can dish out between $20 and $30 for now, and maybe later i can contribute more. Im sure any bit will help. Put me on the list.

 
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Put me down for an official $50 for when this thing is ready to primetime. Anyone talked to Paul yet to see if he will support it?

 
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you really dont need a collection. Most of the parts are out there.
You can buy 11:1 pistons, crower rods, head studs, high RPM valvetrain, etc.... Honda sells all the standard rebuild items (bearings, gaskets and what not)
the motor will presumably do it.
I suppose its contingent on how crazy you want to get, but you'll need to raise $1000's to get someone to do major **** like head work on a prototype basis.
Someone needs to get friendly with Crower, work out some specs on a crazy big lift overlapping cam and just get it ground.
The other things you're gonna need is a new IM or ITBs, which, yes, you need a welder for, but if you pick up a kit for a car (already set up for things like TPS) then it can just be modded to fit. Crazy header is the other thing you need, but honestly I think its gonna be something that you just pay for the one off and show some gains for.
Yes, its expensive, but trying to get people to make D-series N/A parts is just a losing venture for whoever tries to sell them... they just dont make the power to justify the cost that good parts command.
If its gonna happen, its gonna be one person, who just fronts the cash and does the custom one off.... if it shows some major gains (I'm talking like 40+), then you have an argument, but the speculation that it might work isnt gonna be enough to get big names on board.
(not to pee in anyone's cheerios, but thats just what I think...)

 
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come on TRIZ u knew i was down from the beginning.
"Like you already know i'd be game to try to pool people for such a project"

lol put Travis from Nashville down for $50

 
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boilermakers got a good point. but i dont think we should give up without a try first. i dont see anybody else posting here. it seems that alot of people just arnt interested. im still down. i think we should spread this out though. start putting it in the sigs.

 
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i would be down for balancing the rotating assembly, possibly building a one off sheet metal IM, head work, building the header, or tuning the end product on the dyno.

 
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^ do u think its possible for a header to help our motors? if u really do some seiroues R&D with a header, would it possibly make them actually useful?

 
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a header will give you a small gain at high rpms. a fully built motor can handle revving high enough to take advantage of the upper rpm gain. even still, you wouldnt want to build a motor a put a stock exhaust manifold on. a good header that will get gains with a b series usually runs about $1200. you cant expect the same gains from one that costs $200.

 
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i'd be willing to throw down some money to support this. however, i would like to know how the money would be handled, organized, etc. parting with my money is not something i do easily.

 
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why dont you guys find someone with a NA stage 2 or 3 camshaft and a stand alone management like k-pro or EMS and buy a one off part and and get them to have it tuned then you could show accurate gains of what a NA product could do and show it to the common companies and see if they have any interest. get one of these parts you mentioned and use the pooled money towards that. i would be down for 30 bucks

 
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to get the most accurate reading of each gain, you need a base dyno run, then a dyno of the parts all on the same dyno. most people didnt dyno their stock motor.

 
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well for the sake of the product put a stock cam and such back on and baseline it then go it steps and combinations

 
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this is starting to sound expensive. what is it 100 bucks per dyno run? thats what a friend of mine paid to have his 97 dx dynoed. with a whopping 86 whp. he sold it the next day...

 
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I am down $25

 
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if you have a shop like ours dyno time wont cost much at all if anything. i can park my car on the dyno all day long and not spend a penny.

 
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Havent holler'd at paul yet- he'll find his way here eventually. I gotta send him an order monday anywys, I'll link him over here to see what he thinks. Only bad stuff I've heard about dezod is that his prices are a little high- which I kinda have to disagree with because he's matched any lower prices I've found. Dont we want to see if any other members have a hook up, or the know how before we grant a project to someone??- usually in the real world you find out what a person or company can do for you first, and goals are addressed.

I like boiler's idea of the ITB (individual throttle bodies - each cylinder has its own mini throttle body). Its actaully something that I was looking at the other day when trying to help another member. Basically it would yank the stock air box, intake- whatever you have, loose the throttle body and intake minifold too, and each cylinder would have its own stack with a throttle body. ITB's go straight to the cylinder, and are less restrive.

_Unclejuice... what do you do exactly- from what I've heard from you over the months- Do you work at a car shop/machine shop- what?

I have an LX, swapping out the head after I get my stage 2 crower cam, and valvetrain upgrade. When I have enough money, I plan to go kpro- but really dont have that much money right now, even though I seem to be doing nothing but working my *** off. Maybe that sparks some interest, or any ideas for you guys.

Oh, and I will add new names to the list.
Travis I put you back at the top kuz you posted a number. Smile!