stage 2 na crower cam experience
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Originally Posted by ncirom2003
do you think the turbo cam is a waste then?^^^
But to spend $1300 for AEM ECU - insane for 12 whp, I'm sure i'm not alone who thinks just as I do.
...Overall, in my opinion its going to cost too much to get to use this little power gain.
To be unique - is the way, but the way (stage 2 with AEM ECU) - its very expensive.
You have to be agree with me!
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Rep Power: 285 There is more gained with those mods than just top end power.
The cam and the AEM will also increase throttle response, mid range power, etc.
If you add other things like a header, exhaust, intake manifold, throttle body, etc, etc. You can tweak the **** out of the motor to get the best gains from everything.
Naturally aspirated is definately not the cheapest way to make power. And its not the way to make the most power. Thats why im a turbo guy. Naturally aspirated power is the most difficult way. Therefore when someone does go fast with an NA car, they deserve a hell of a lot of credit. And there are some advantages of an NA car over a turbo car... like throttle response, lack of lag, etc.
in a competition of NA car with 200 whp and a turbo car with 200 whp (same car, same driver), the NA car will probably have more drivability and also be more fun to drive. But thats my own opinion...
The cam and the AEM will also increase throttle response, mid range power, etc.
If you add other things like a header, exhaust, intake manifold, throttle body, etc, etc. You can tweak the **** out of the motor to get the best gains from everything.
Naturally aspirated is definately not the cheapest way to make power. And its not the way to make the most power. Thats why im a turbo guy. Naturally aspirated power is the most difficult way. Therefore when someone does go fast with an NA car, they deserve a hell of a lot of credit. And there are some advantages of an NA car over a turbo car... like throttle response, lack of lag, etc.
in a competition of NA car with 200 whp and a turbo car with 200 whp (same car, same driver), the NA car will probably have more drivability and also be more fun to drive. But thats my own opinion...
Originally Posted by turboengnr
in a competition of NA car with 200 whp and a turbo car with 200 whp (same car, same driver), the NA car will probably have more drivability and also be more fun to drive. But thats my own opinion...
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
not better gas milage though ...
Originally Posted by dezod
Ask a person making 500whp+ if he is concerned about gas mileage. No one making serious power is worried about gas prices because if they have the $$ to build it, then gas is no problem at $3/gallon.
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Originally Posted by ncirom2003
id say half the people dumping money into their car still bitch about gas cus they probably pinch pennies just to upgrade stuff.
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Originally Posted by ncirom2003
^ lol i agree, everything costs money when its nice (or in this case fast) but im just sayin not everyone who is fast has buttloads of money
Originally Posted by Nokturnl
to tune it with out fighting the closed loop system the EMS is the ONLY system out there for this application. Otherwise you will at least get a cel light for trying to up the idle with the set screw (tried it). AND it will idle from 800 to about 1700 rpms back and forth till the stock ECU gives up trying to correct the signal your vafc/emanage is giving it trying to correct the other way. Emanage says "gimme mo more fuel" and stocker ECU says "wait a sec that ain't right take it out". Eventually the stock ECU will give up but not untill it makes your car sound bad. It does this cycle every time you stop at idle after driving......yup every stoplight home. And only EMS can change stock idle point.
Originally Posted by dezod
No. Don't see why there would be a problem.
Reason I asked this is because Nokturnl had expressed a concern about the stage 2 cams, VAFC-II, and the E-manage not working together...but I thought if you had an E-Manage you could adjust fuel maps, ignition timing and vtec shift points and all as long as you have the software to access everything and the ignition harness...so this would mean that you would not need the VAFC and everything should work all right...right?
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Rep Power: 281 With the Emanage you can Adjust the fuel and ignition timing curves this is true...vtec change point on emanage ultimate or VAFC2. I have installed the Stage 2 cam and at stock idle it WILL idle real rough and try to cut off on you. Tuning the VAFC did help it not want to cut off at idle, but when idle at night the headlights dim out every time the cam turns over... I have the Apexi super grounding system & Optima yellow top battery so it is not cause of lack of elec. system. Just saying that it seems to get it to idle where it will not shake the sh*t out of you it has to be set at 1000rpm. Tuning the VAFC on a dyno did little more that help idle a LITTLE bit. Dezod is right you can run this cam with the VAFC2 or Emanage...just telling you you probably not like it too much. I HATE the way mine is now.....only way to make it purr like a kitten is EMS. Just my $.02. All I know is that if I knew the driveability issues and what is needed to get it running right i would have NEVER bought the stage 2 cam. I am sure I am not the only one with this cam that has thought this.
Last edited by Nokturnl; Sep 29, 2005 at 05:03 PM.
So unless you have a stand alone you are saying the cam is not worth it?
Has anyone had any experince with the E-Manage Ultimate...does this newer unit allow more flexability in tuning...or is the AEM stand alone going to be the best answer for this situation? Let me rephrase that...the only answer.
Has anyone had any experince with the E-Manage Ultimate...does this newer unit allow more flexability in tuning...or is the AEM stand alone going to be the best answer for this situation? Let me rephrase that...the only answer.
Last edited by HondaChevy; Sep 29, 2005 at 09:42 PM.
anyone tried the stage 1 yet?
i was going to get the stage 2 turbo cam but with all these problems im thinking its better to sacrifice a lil hp for a cheaper cam(no need for springs) with less headaches also.
i was going to get the stage 2 turbo cam but with all these problems im thinking its better to sacrifice a lil hp for a cheaper cam(no need for springs) with less headaches also.
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Originally Posted by czechcivic
Wow Im glad I didnt get it now....To manny problems
Yeah, me 2!!! I thought that there wasn't supposed to be any issues with the stage 2...I'm kinda scard to try the stage 1 even..Who know's if they even R&D'd these cams.
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Originally Posted by truehonda
Let me know if you guys want the cams. Dyno for the Turbo cams is coming Oct 16th! We are shooting for 300whp with turbo and cam.
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Originally Posted by HondaChevy
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Has anyone had any experince with the E-Manage Ultimate...does this newer unit allow more flexability in tuning...or is the AEM stand alone going to be the best answer for this situation? Let me rephrase that...the only answer.
Has anyone had any experince with the E-Manage Ultimate...does this newer unit allow more flexability in tuning...or is the AEM stand alone going to be the best answer for this situation? Let me rephrase that...the only answer.
Anyone?
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Rep Power: 297 Im picking my car up from trick engineering tomorrow. I was told that 5 psi with a custom turbo cam yielded over 200 whp. If I had rods and pistons i could garrantee over 300 whp. I just ran out of money this year. My setup is really good and way overkill for a stock lower end. Anyone got a grand??? 300 whp is not impossible by any means.
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Originally Posted by 02fpcivic
Im picking my car up from trick engineering tomorrow. I was told that 5 psi with a custom turbo cam yielded over 200 whp. If I had rods and pistons i could garrantee over 300 whp. I just ran out of money this year. My setup is really good and way overkill for a stock lower end. Anyone got a grand??? 300 whp is not impossible by any means.
5 PSI? That turbo would have to flow insane amounts and be HUGE. It would have to be something like a GT35R, where it barely spools and makes about 1000-2000 RPMS of useable power like a drag set-up. Something like this:
GT42R installed on a 99 Civic EK w/ a Full Race Top Mount Mani
Originally Posted by HondaChevy
Anyone?
yet still...can anyone give some insight to the E-Manage Ultimate if it is comparable to the AEM stand alone or is it just not going to be enough to tune for a stage 2 cam?
Originally Posted by dezod
I hate to say it, but someone will. Unless I see dyno sheets and/or videos and was told all of the specs on the system, I do not believe it.
5 PSI? That turbo would have to flow insane amounts and be HUGE. It would have to be something like a GT35R, where it barely spools and makes about 1000-2000 RPMS of useable power like a drag set-up. Something like this:
GT42R installed on a 99 Civic EK w/ a Full Race Top Mount Mani
5 PSI? That turbo would have to flow insane amounts and be HUGE. It would have to be something like a GT35R, where it barely spools and makes about 1000-2000 RPMS of useable power like a drag set-up. Something like this:
GT42R installed on a 99 Civic EK w/ a Full Race Top Mount Mani
Eddie
