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what r u talking about faggit? i dont know which one makes more power thats why im asking. im not telling.

 
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let me break this down for you, he tells you a type-s makes 200hp and you say its the dumbiest thing you ever heard implying you know its not the correct amount which of course means that you do know how much hp it makes. still with me on this? so if you dont know, why are you saying his response of 200 is "dumb"?
btw name calling is the sure sign you just got owned and have zero smarts to back up your argument. so until next time STFU.

 
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lol.


ouch.

 
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still wrong... let me break it down for u... he tells me it has 200hp (like he reads on some site). because i have the common knowledge that fly hp is different from wheel hp... i therefor know its not 200hp stock (as should he also). .... now further i will go since u think ur mister know it all.... i never state i know the wheel hp of the car, do i?? the answer is NO. so shut the f*k up idiot. u cant argue with me unless u get the facts straight. im inicent until proven guilty... and u havnt prooved ****!!!

Boooo Yaaaaa owned

 
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how is knowing the the difference among flywheel and wheel HP "common knowledge"? not everyone knows everything (your a perfect example of that), so he was trying to help and you tell him never comment again? for one thing you are right you never do "state" you know the wheel hp but neither do i, your response to his makes it seem you do by calling it "the dumbiest thing you heard". getting all this? take your time and read 2-3 times if needed. so next time someone trys to help you with your little "which is faster" thread show some respect and quite trying to act like a hardcore internet hard ***. also in case you missed it in my last post theres a SEARCH button at the top of the site, feel free to click it anytime you want to post about what makes how much hp, its been covered many times before this useless thread of yours lease:

 
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NOW in closing....

making this comparison in the first place is like comparing apples to oranges.
On one side is a D series engine Turbo'd with X amount of HP.
On the other side is a K series NA

its not fair to compare the two because well...the K series is lacking a turbo.

so the real question ur asking is if a D17 will beat a K series.
The answer is easy at this point.
K series have already proven to be able to handle 450+hp on the stock block if im correct
while our D series has yet to see something close. Only due to lack of interest by companys.
So with time we might see some better figures out our engine but i dont see it happing too quick... unless *cough* mike at SF has some more tricks in his hat for his engine.

 
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Civic Turbo Vs. RSX-S is not the same a K20 civic Vs. civic turbo

RSX-S = 1257 KG Civic 5 speed = 1104 to 1154 KG

Difference of 150 KG or 330 LBS.

K20 is better engineered and has a wide range of parts on the market
-DOHC, Steel sleeved Block, 6 speed, RELIABLE, Better platform to build on

D17 Built cheap to be fuel efficient, but if you are on this site fuel economy is trivial.
-SOHC, aluminun block (1/2 as strong), 5 speed. Limited power platform
Turbo WILL affect reliability and cause premature engine wear.

 
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the civic sedan that had the k20 dropped PLUS boost ran slower 1/4 time than catalyst's car boosting 9 psi with everything else stock except exhaust. or sumthin like that, i dont remember exactly

edit: also, the civic had hella **** too not just the turbo, and mike's is still on his stock clutch and everything.

 
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that hasport sedan still owns

 
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just get a k24, it owns with the torque... with a few upgrades you will own turbos and regular k20 swaps.... you willl just need to learn how to get that power to the ground

 
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thanks for all ur input on ur first post...
too bad that ur 330lbs diffence doesnt make one cause half of us have stereo's that make up for the 300...

second... The fact the YOU say the turbo will affect reliabilty and cause premature engine wear is speculation.
You have no grounds to base that statement on. NONE. ZILCH.

 
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Must be a poor stereo to weight 300

By the way, I am a mechanical engineer. I research metal fatigue, structural strength, and component reliability for a living.

 
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Buy an SF kit for your car. If you think, after driving it, that $3500 into a swap will perform the same or better, by all means let us know.

 
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i have a turbo 01 civic.. 12 lbs of boost with internal work.. def go with the turbo.. a lot more fun and FASTER

 
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This is b/c he has trouble getting that power to the ground, he has no traction. Plus, it helps that Catalyst is a good driver too.

 
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the kits 3500 now, i thought it was like 3000?

 
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I was really leaning towards getting the SF turbo kit but in all reality we all know that the K series is just better to work with. If you want your car to be fast in the long run get a k20.

I got a k20a3 shipped to my door including the hasport motor mounts for 2700 which is a pretty good deal. My friend is doing the swap for me so by all means a swap is about the same price as getting a turbo for your d17a2.

What im trying to say is yes, our d17a2 with turbo is fast running higher than 8psi but imagine a k20 with turbo. Itll be a lot faster.

Everyone has good points in this thread and to see all you guys fighting is just immature. We are all in the same boat trying to make our pos civics fast so calling each others names is just wrong. Good luck to everyone. Cant wait to see everyones time slips to back up all this talk.

Catalysts car is badazz though. Definately a good example of why you want to go with turbo

 
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^^^ I agree with ur post about the K20 will get u more HP in the end........but the turbo is more cost efficent. I am more show than go and i had no intention on doing motor mods at all, but i ordered the SF kit anywayz plus i am doing air suspension, kinda a oxy-moron, but oh well, nothing better than show and go !!!

 
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Actually he is right. Antytime your asking an engine to do more work, your putting premature wear on it. If you consistantly run it with boost there is going to eventually be a reliability problem. Thats of course if you leave it stock. If you were to strengthen it, then that's a different story. I'm not saying a year from now your engine will die..it could be 5 or even 10 years from now. Although it could be 2 years from now...hard to say.

And for the record..if half of us have stereos..that means half of us don't. Therefore that extra 300lbs is a valid point.

I'm not trying to flame or start an argument. Just trying to have everybody see both sides of the fence.

 
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The kit maybe 3000, upgrade some things to bring it to 3500, you'll have a sick fast car.

 
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I thought a K20a3 was a Civic Si motor?

oh by the way

 
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k20a3 is civic si and base model rsx

 
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very well said Nytryder.

Its so ridiculous seeing the few of you guys argue like little kids. Whats with all the negative vibe and flaming? We're all learning from each other, so if someone says something wrong, just feel free to correct them and let'em know whats right. don't try to act all HARD, hiding behind your computer monitors, and flaming them. thats so laughably wack. i really hate ppl who try to act tough behind their computers. just chill out and share all your thoughts, opinions, and knowledge. no need to flame others just because they have an opinion.

but anyway.. in my opinion, since most of us (if not all of us, since we own civics in teh first place) are on a pretty tight budget. yes it is definitely true that working on a K series engine is definitely more worth it in the long run, but it'll add up to a lot more then turboing a d17 with some work. the difference is spending close to 5k for a very fast turboed civic, versus spending upwards of 15k for a turboed swap k20. i personally would rather have an rsx if i had the choice, just because i like the looks of it. and modding the k series engine actually comes with obvious satisfaction, with definite signs of gains, instead of us throwing in our AEM Pulleys and feeling nothing. if i had the money, i'd rather work on a k20. but since i dont have money, i'd go turbo. haha. it seems more like a forced money issue doesn't it. lol.

 
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bottom line: turbo on d series is the biggest power gain you can get.....with a k series, you just scratched the surface....i'm goin' k20a2.....thats my opinion

 
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Everybody has been saying you get roughyl 180 hp at the wheels around 7-8 psi with a turbo'd civic, about how much is that in engine hp terms

 
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that should be about 215-220 (not 100% sure. i forgot the % of the drivetrain efficiency...)

 
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FYI
If it is me you are talking about w/ the EX my dyno was 183.5 hp and 189.3 ft # tq @ 8psi.
I was running it at 9psi before this dyno too...
As for a comparison b/w the Type S I would go find one on the street except there is over 1 ft of snow here and my baby is in the garage for the winter
Melissa