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I'm going to have to disagree with the automatics being better, or faster. If it's convenience you want, get the automatic. If it's speed and you dont mind the shifting, manual is way faster. Unless you have an extremely expensive automatic racing transmission which real drag cars use, an automatic is way slower. It has nothing to do with how quickly the automatic shifts, its the difference in differentials that matter. 5 speed manual, 5 different gears, smaller than the 4 speed auto, meaning it will take longer to redline. Just think of the sprockets or gears on a mulitispeed bicycle. The smaller is better for gaining speed. The gear or sprocket twice the size, will have to travel like twice the distance to get to that same speed. Kinda see what i mean? Why do you think the six speed are getting popular now? Even smaller differentials. Quicker acceleration.

And I'm not flaming, i dont know what catalyst has, but it's kinda hard for me to believe his turboed civic can beat a supercharged v8 mustang. and i dont like mustangs. Dont get mad at me or anything, i dont know what you got except for that turbo. But still even more mods on top of that turbo is still hard to believe it'll take a supercharged v8 SVT cobra mustang. But i still give mad props for even having the turbo on your vic.

thats just my two cents.

on a side note: catalyst sounds like he knows his ****. And i can admit when i'm wrong. so lemme know whats up.

 
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just a comment on the sound....
my intake pipe somehow came off the bolt near where the filter is, and it hella rattled against the frame of the car and now has a small, little line gash in the piping about 2 inches long. i just noticed that last week wen i was painting the housings of my lites. but yea, before i didnt know i had that and it sounded a lot like a turbo whenever i floored my car. im probably gonna get it fixed soon, but if u want a sound that sounds very similar to a turbo spooling up, just make a gash in the piping of ur cai haha

 
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yeah, but your engine will suck up some nasty stuff, possibly ruining it for good. When you got your CAI, i'm guessing it was an INJEN. it should have come with like a little pad thingy, i think there where that shouldve gone, i did the same thing, but mine didnt get that bad. I was like, "hmm, maybe thats what that pad thingy was for."

 
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Um please dont tell me your gonna shift all 5 gears when you race in a manual, the torque converter will do the job, it will raise the idle and have way faster shifts, as I said again a transmission cooler is recommended for the tranny though, each time you let off the gas you lose your pressure in boost, takes time to get it back, unless you wanna burn your clutch thats fine. I dunno how much the torque converter costs but I know it is worth it, I think it costs a little bit less than a manual transmission. BTW your gonna be holding boost longer in an auto than a manual.

 
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CORN!

anyway, yeah im playing just to do engine mods and not waste cash on looks. it would be nice to pull up to one of those guys and kicks their asses. they were expecting a stok, four door, automatic, honda civic (probably the slowest car in the world!!!!! ) it will be a considerable shock, the shock value alone would kick sooo much ***

 
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BTW thank you all for helping me with this stuff im researching right now but yeah.

many people will think i am wasting money to do this but hey like i stated above, there arent many fast autos that look stock but have 300 hp to boot... another reason is that i kinda like how my honda is shaped, i like the way they look.


I mean c'mon!!! wouldnt that be cool? or not whatever

 
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The most you'd shift in a race is twice. 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd. Believe me, i have an eclipse turbo manual, and i spank the hell out of eclipse turbo automatics, no chance. no chance at all. The stock automatic transmission turboed would lose to the stock manual transmission turboed every time. Thats all i'm saying.

 
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thats exactly it, with both STOCK trannys 5spd wins...no contest, but with a torque converter on a stock AT can shave off 1 second your 1/4 mile time, may not sound impressive but stock AT runs high 17's, low 18's...stock MT run mid 16's so with a torque converter on the AT your looking at anyones race, atleast in a civic.

 
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wait, with just a torque converter i can run 16s?? god damn, shoulda payed up for that thing instead of my stupid intake and exhaust..

Bboysushi

 
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can't having a torque converter possibly **** up your tranny?

 
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omg why pay for something that will mess up your car? why would they sell it? Until you guys have proof that autos are slower thabn a manual with a torque and cooler with a turbo then be quiet please because I do not want to hear opinions. or even stock auto with turbo and stock manual with turbo on a 2001-2003 civic

 
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^^^
dont want opinions? dont read the forums


i have not heard anything about TC messing up trannys...in fact it only makes them better.

 
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i have a turboed auto at 5 psi with no cooler...the only thing i notice is clutch plate slippage when i am hard on it...thats the only problem i need to alleviate...transmission rebuild? why bother with a torque converter...seems like it will lag behind until the rpms get up high enough for it to lock...sure good for drag racing but this isnt a drag car...

 
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hmm...that does make sense. Anyone else gonna second that?(ohmysac has a good point) But from what i've heard/read the torque converter does help it out, what i would do if you have an auto is definately get the tranny cooler, seems important? YES, id try the turbo on low boost with the stock one and see how it runs, if you have problems you can always modify, just keep that money flowing

 
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i'm just gonna pay for the manual swap I can get one for 450 in my local junkyard and some hookups, my friends are all certified mechanics and can help me out, neways it shouldnt be that hard.

 
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i'm getting my tranny cooler installed when i get my turbo put in (can anyone recommend a good one? i was thinking JMO or TCI) so we'll see how it holds up. after i get some more $$$ i'm going to get a torque converter as well, so soon we'll be able to sort the facts from myths....finally! lol

 
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cool i got enough $$$ ill just get a new tranny auto then, would i still need the cooler if i get a new tranny though?

 
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if your running boost you will always need a tranny cooler.

 
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YES civicskater i do 2nd this. since when did an automatic have a clutch plate?? OHMYSAC please clarify

 
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"seems like it will lag behind until the rpms get up high enough for it to lock"


i dont understand this. isnt a torque converter basically a like a MT's clutch plate? i have never heard of TC "laggin" until it gets to high rpms. in fact if it switches gears smoothly in high RPMs wouldnt it do it 10X's better at lower RPM's since there isnt as much torque be passed through it?
i would think a TC would help a great deal with turbo since the tranny would have a great deal more amount of torque being collected when swithing gears...???

 
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oh yeah if your doing a manual swap u need ecu and shifter assembly I already know what I am getting either a whole aftermarket replacement and a revo ss instead of buying the overpriced honda oem looking one.