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04-07-2005
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
The Hp's will be softer, as Tokico is known to be on the "softer" side of performance dampers... But both will be noticeable firmer then OEM. You may want to look at the D-Spec dampers, as you adjust both bump and rebound at the same time (Great for a street damper, not so much for a race damper). what this will allow you to do is Minimize the Bump Rates giving you a softer ride... and when you want a bit of performance you can adjust the rebound to where you need. Unfortunatly because you adjust both rebound and bump at the same time, you'll end up with a comprimise between Both for handling performance. Rebound primarly influences corner entry and exit handling... Bump deals more with ride quality. so as you increase rebound to adjust handling, you'll also be increasing Bump... too much bump valving and you run in to the possibiliy that when you hit bumps the tire may bounce off the ground (due to the higher bump setting not letting the spirngs do their jobs)... So you can see that performance wise you'd have to make a comprimise... But for a street damper, being able to reduce bump for ride quality is a good thing.
Oh ya, I'm not sure if the D-spec or HP has softer valving (Overall)... You may want to contact Tokico and ask.
Oh ya, I'm not sure if the D-spec or HP has softer valving (Overall)... You may want to contact Tokico and ask.
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Do diff springs really affect the ride quality. For example will eibach sportlines ride noticibly firmer than eibach pro kit?
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Cool,
Do diff springs really affect the ride quality. For example will eibach sportlines ride noticibly firmer than eibach pro kit?
Do diff springs really affect the ride quality. For example will eibach sportlines ride noticibly firmer than eibach pro kit?
04-12-2005
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Rep Power: 280 I spoke to this dude over at KYB and he said that the GR2s and the AGX aren't meant for neuspeed sport or eibach sportline drops, he said they are meant for very mild drops. What the heck on their website it says the AGX is a racing/ street damper.
Maybe I just sopke to the wrong guy.
Maybe I just sopke to the wrong guy.
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Rep Power: 0 Maybe... some people just have no idea wtf they're talkin about. I actually got a KYB office/warehouse right down the street from me that I never noticed before! Anyone else got any comments and reccomondations about KYB/Eibach Sportline combos?
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I have an '04. To this point, I have always thought I was limmited to Koni-ing my stock struts or going to some expensive full coilover setups.
What I'm reading here is that I can simply drill out the bolt holes on any 7th gen civic compatible strut!!!!
What the F@#$ing F@#$!!!!!!!!!
You guys should know that I have called at least three damper manufacturers looking for options. They all gave me the "We have them for the '02" bit and Tokico told me three months ago that they'd have an application for my car in three weeks.
No one mentioned anything about how simple a mod it is. Hell, why do we have to even drill those damn things out? How much would that cost the manufacturer. Its gotta still be worth their while, right?
Those manufacturers don't seem too eager about earning a freakin' buck.
By the way, I have Eibach pro-kit springs, and about 4 to six months of hard driving (the only kind) on them. My stock dampers are definately shot. Are any of the dampers mentioned above in this thread susceptable to the same kind of accelerated wear?
What I'm reading here is that I can simply drill out the bolt holes on any 7th gen civic compatible strut!!!!
What the F@#$ing F@#$!!!!!!!!!
You guys should know that I have called at least three damper manufacturers looking for options. They all gave me the "We have them for the '02" bit and Tokico told me three months ago that they'd have an application for my car in three weeks.
No one mentioned anything about how simple a mod it is. Hell, why do we have to even drill those damn things out? How much would that cost the manufacturer. Its gotta still be worth their while, right?
Those manufacturers don't seem too eager about earning a freakin' buck.
By the way, I have Eibach pro-kit springs, and about 4 to six months of hard driving (the only kind) on them. My stock dampers are definately shot. Are any of the dampers mentioned above in this thread susceptable to the same kind of accelerated wear?
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Rep Power: 270 I've had my Tokicos HP & Sportlines on my 04 installed for about 7-8 months now, and I haven't had a problem with either one whatsoever. I rode on OEM shocks & Sportlines for about 3 months or so before I got my Tokicos. When I did, they made a considerable diference in ride confort. The OEM shocks were blown.
^^and yes, if you want HPs, 03-05 model vics require drilling the holes of the front shocks to 16mm.
^^and yes, if you want HPs, 03-05 model vics require drilling the holes of the front shocks to 16mm.
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Originally Posted by burke420
i read this one guy, CHOIBOI19 is his aim name but he has some Skunk2s' with Tokico's blues. and they fit fine for him.
08-23-2005
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hey guys. i have progress spring that lower around 2 inch in the back and 1.8 in the front i believe. i was thinking of getting tokico blues. i'm juss want somehting for daily driving because my shocks are totally gone. i've got a 03' civic coupe lx. wat do u guys think? with the tokicos be ok with them? thanks. and any1 know if tokico has made a separate shock for 03+?
08-24-2005
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Originally Posted by Hazard5
hey guys. i have progress spring that lower around 2 inch in the back and 1.8 in the front i believe. i was thinking of getting tokico blues. i'm juss want somehting for daily driving because my shocks are totally gone. i've got a 03' civic coupe lx. wat do u guys think? with the tokicos be ok with them? thanks. and any1 know if tokico has made a separate shock for 03+?
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Originally Posted by cubanmike26
I've had my Tokicos HP & Sportlines on my 04 installed for about 7-8 months now, and I haven't had a problem with either one whatsoever. I rode on OEM shocks & Sportlines for about 3 months or so before I got my Tokicos. When I did, they made a considerable diference in ride confort. The OEM shocks were blown.
10-30-2005
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Originally Posted by cubanmike26
I've had my Tokicos HP & Sportlines on my 04 installed for about 7-8 months now, and I haven't had a problem with either one whatsoever. I rode on OEM shocks & Sportlines for about 3 months or so before I got my Tokicos. When I did, they made a considerable diference in ride confort. The OEM shocks were blown.
^^and yes, if you want HPs, 03-05 model vics require drilling the holes of the front shocks to 16mm.
^^and yes, if you want HPs, 03-05 model vics require drilling the holes of the front shocks to 16mm.
what about the 50mm vs 55 mm thing for our 04-05 cars?
will that affect us and make osunds or what? i searched a lot and read a lost of posts but dont understand.
i have an 05 sedan and want to get tokico hp blues with neuspeed sport (1.75 / 1.5) as my drop.
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Originally Posted by hdave
what about the 50mm vs 55 mm thing for our 04-05 cars?
will that affect us and make osunds or what? i searched a lot and read a lost of posts but dont understand.
i have an 05 sedan and want to get tokico hp blues with neuspeed sport (1.75 / 1.5) as my drop.
will that affect us and make osunds or what? i searched a lot and read a lost of posts but dont understand.
i have an 05 sedan and want to get tokico hp blues with neuspeed sport (1.75 / 1.5) as my drop.
12-18-2005
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Rep Power: 295 i have some ractive coilovers for 01-02 but i have an 04 with 55mm strut housings and the sleeves are too small to fit over the strut...and now im stuck cuz my oem strut shock is appart and i cant get the **** back together...if i get tokicos and drill the crash bolt holes to 16mm my ractives will fit right?
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Rep Power: 265 I ordered Neuspeed sport springs for my sedan and I was wondering if Tokico Blues (HP) would be alright to use with these I've read that it can't take a drop more the 1.7 and neuspeed sport drops at 1.75(F) & 1.5(R)... just making sure I'm going to order them Wensday if its alright....
I'm not going hardcore track just a smooth ride with an aggressive look
I'm not going hardcore track just a smooth ride with an aggressive look
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Rep Power: 309 you will be fine with neuspeed sport springs on tokico hp blues. from what i remember, tokico hp's maxium drop was 1.75".
i am no suspension guru, so wait till someone clearifys that as well.
i am no suspension guru, so wait till someone clearifys that as well.
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Originally Posted by jttegx
you will be fine with neuspeed sport springs on tokico hp blues. from what i remember, tokico hp's maxium drop was 1.75".
i am no suspension guru, so wait till someone clearifys that as well.
i am no suspension guru, so wait till someone clearifys that as well.
so I should get my springs tuesday and the shocks later this week hopefully....
01-01-2006
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Rep Power: 295 yea the neuspeed sports should go fine with the blues...i got d specs and H&R springs...(d-specs were only 90 more than blues so i said what the hell and got them)
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Originally Posted by robbclark1
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All shocks, except for konis, are made for a 2001-2002, so the mount bolts are 14mm not 16mm like in the 2003+. Either you will have to drill them out or hope that the company makes a set for you guys. The can be put on your 2003+ but you run the risk of the mount bolts coming loose and the shock changing camber. There is a rumor that tokico has made 2003+ shocks for the blues, but I am not sure yet.
All shocks, except for konis, are made for a 2001-2002, so the mount bolts are 14mm not 16mm like in the 2003+. Either you will have to drill them out or hope that the company makes a set for you guys. The can be put on your 2003+ but you run the risk of the mount bolts coming loose and the shock changing camber. There is a rumor that tokico has made 2003+ shocks for the blues, but I am not sure yet.
01-17-2006
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Rep Power: 224 i was just wondering how or where you find out the allowable limit on a shock? I got the skunk 2 adjustable coilovers today and looking as to which shock to get and was curious as to how you know how low you can go on the different brands of shocks avaiable for our 7th gens
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01-17-2006
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Rep Power: 400 I'll just save you the trouble.
Buy Konis, end of story. They're the only ones truly valved stiff enough to handle coilover sleeves.
if you do a search of the various shock brands, you'll come across what you can go how low with. The FAQ probably says it too.
Buy Konis, end of story. They're the only ones truly valved stiff enough to handle coilover sleeves.
if you do a search of the various shock brands, you'll come across what you can go how low with. The FAQ probably says it too.
02-02-2006
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Originally Posted by robbclark1
You have a few options for shocks currently.
Koni Yellow
KYB Gr-2
KYB AGX
Tokico Blues (HP)
Tokico D Spec
Mouton (but these are mad expensive)
Spoon (but these are mad expensive)
1) Koni yellows - The front struts need to be modified for them to fit. There are a few different sizes (50mm or 55mm). These are probably your best bet for autocrossing or road racing if you don't have full coils.
2) KYB Gr-2 - These are not performance shocks. While they are better than OEM they usually can't handle a very low drop. They will improve ride and handling, but aren't meant to be slammed on. They are non-adjustable.
3) KYB AGX - Adjustable shocks good for lowering and some racing. While konis might be better, these are a good alternative. They are either 4 or 8 way adjustable.
4) Tokico Blues (HP) - These are decent shocks. They are non-adjustable. They are probably better than the Gr-2s, but usually can't handle very low drops.
5) Tokico D-Specs - 16 way adjustable shocks. These are probably very close to koni's in terms of performance, but very few people have them just yet.
So in the end if you are racing, adjustable shocks are probably your best bet. Konis are the shock of choice though you have to modify your front struts. The D-Specs and AGXs should do fairly well too. The Blues and the Gr-2s, while better than stock, usually can't handle very low drops or tons of racing. I am not saying it can't be done, I am just saying that isn't their design.
If there is anything wrong with this information, please post and I will correct it. I currently don't know what size konis to pick so that would be a good thing to know. Also, if you want to add anything let me know.
Koni Yellow
KYB Gr-2
KYB AGX
Tokico Blues (HP)
Tokico D Spec
Mouton (but these are mad expensive)
Spoon (but these are mad expensive)
1) Koni yellows - The front struts need to be modified for them to fit. There are a few different sizes (50mm or 55mm). These are probably your best bet for autocrossing or road racing if you don't have full coils.
2) KYB Gr-2 - These are not performance shocks. While they are better than OEM they usually can't handle a very low drop. They will improve ride and handling, but aren't meant to be slammed on. They are non-adjustable.
3) KYB AGX - Adjustable shocks good for lowering and some racing. While konis might be better, these are a good alternative. They are either 4 or 8 way adjustable.
4) Tokico Blues (HP) - These are decent shocks. They are non-adjustable. They are probably better than the Gr-2s, but usually can't handle very low drops.
5) Tokico D-Specs - 16 way adjustable shocks. These are probably very close to koni's in terms of performance, but very few people have them just yet.
So in the end if you are racing, adjustable shocks are probably your best bet. Konis are the shock of choice though you have to modify your front struts. The D-Specs and AGXs should do fairly well too. The Blues and the Gr-2s, while better than stock, usually can't handle very low drops or tons of racing. I am not saying it can't be done, I am just saying that isn't their design.
If there is anything wrong with this information, please post and I will correct it. I currently don't know what size konis to pick so that would be a good thing to know. Also, if you want to add anything let me know.
I read the whole thread all 8 pages (did the research before venture into asking)
I have neuspeed race shocks ( yellow ones) and I need to replace the front shocks, from what I read here, Koni yellows are a good alternative because of the drop that I have =2.25 in. or the KYB AGX...I was looking for Bilsteins or Konis because that is what neuspeed recommends but the prices are simply outrageous.
anyway my front shocks are blown because I feel them at every bump of the road I need a shock with a shorter "piston" which one is a good alternative for my neuspeed race springs???
Thanks in advance.
02-12-2006
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Rep Power: 295 i would have to say for ur situation either koni's or D-specs or biltens would work cuz the drop is so low...i have d-specs and i love the shocks...wouldnt trade for anything except some tein flex heh
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Rep Power: 224 I have a question about the tokico blues, My understanding is that in order for them to fit on an 04 civic the mounting hole have to be drilled to 16mm is this the only modification that has to be done to them? Does this apply to the rears to or only the fronts? Thanks for the help
