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Old Jan 8, 2008
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Ok car starts. RMPs running high..
But I'm working on it.
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we need pics amd vids please
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Base map is only going to get the car started. I would NOT drive the car. Get that thing to a certified tuner ASAP!!!!! If you must drive it it's going to run shitty probably but don't mess with the EMS unless you know what your doing. You can do more harm then good seriously.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Ya I was going to change the timing. But I'll leave it.
I do need to lean it out some. Its running way to rich.
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just get it to the tuner^
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

damnnnnnn....! rich fother mucker. hey EMS sounds good; next day you buy it. sheeit. lol.. is this your first time modding a car? definitely seems like it. welcome to the scene!
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Originally Posted by civicsrcool
is this your first time modding a car?
No. Mostly simple mods. This is my first time modding to this level.



Ok Tuning done. not what I expected.

I'll scan the dyno result print outs and post the tomorrow.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

LOL - A gain of what 15-20hp? Yeah, N/A without high compression internals isn't going to give you very much more at the wheels.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

numbers please!!!
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

ok here it is.
He said I'd get about 5% more if I change the cat.
You guys think injectors would help too? if so what cc?


Corrent Engine mods:
V2 intake
Header
Catback
EMS
Cam gear
Stage2 Cam
Stage2 Cluch and 8lb flywheel

Other Mods:
Coilovers
Momo S.Wheel
17" Wheels/Tires
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

TAKE YOUR CAR TO ANOTHER TUNER ASAP. Those numbers are too low man trust me. I made 124whp on the emangle. DJmota made 147whp with KPRO and you should be right up there in those numbers with EMS.

Also you should be fine with stock injectors. Ask your tuner what the duty cycle was but I bet they are no where near maxing out. Where was your redline on the dyno. With EMS you can bump it up and make some more power bc with that cam you can still make power above 7000rpms. Don't quit find out why the numbers are low and retune.

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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Oh and since you like spending money. You'd be my hero if you can replicate this build for the d17.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTlRL35hOs[/youtube]
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Originally Posted by ronaldo9
Oh and since you like spending money. You'd be my hero if you can replicate this build for the d17.

ya right LOL!
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

So with the EMS and the Cam. Red line can me moved?
They were redlining starting at 7000.

He said I get Free retunes if I think somethings isn't right or I don't like it.
As long as I don't add any more mods.

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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Ya trust me man, the car has more in it. With the EMS you can tune it for w/e pump gas you are running. Full adjustability of ignition timing ect. How are the functions working on your car like the Idle and AC. Also, was the VTEC even working when you did the dyno pull. Please give as much details as possible. I always wanted an EMS and to see how it would run on an N/A car. Does it drive like stock? What are your air fuel ratios at cruise?
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

I haven't tried my AC yet.
The Idle is good.
Yes the Vtec was working.
It has a problem starting now. it cranks, cranks and cranks some more. Then starts.

Most definitely doesn't drive like stock anymore
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Did you get any HP numbers? Or did they only give you Torque?
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

The second image has the HP. on the right 126.5
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Oh, hah. I didn't realize there were two! What's the D17 normally put down?
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Subscribed. You should definitely p&p the head and put higher compression pistons in.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

ok this sucks and can't be right.
I didn't gain much at all.
I kept thinking that stock HP was 117.

Stock:
127HP SAE @ 6300 rpm; 114 ft lb @ 4800 rpm

Mods:
126.5HP SAE @ 5714 rpm; 119.9 ft Ib @ 5087 rpm

If Stock is 127 then I should be getting like 138 - 145 with all them damn mods
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Don't feel bad. 127 is at the crank. You measured hp at the wheels. There is HP loss between the crank and the wheels.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

stock is 110 at the wheels.

i hit 116 at the wheels with a VAFC2.

***** way off.

O yah you can redline to 9k!
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Originally Posted by 02BLKCIVIC

O yah you can redline to 9k!
9k ?? I wish...

I need to go do some freeway driving.
See what she can do.
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Get the rev limiter raised!!!
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

Yeeesh. I wouldn't raise it to 9K without better rods. Our stroke is too long for that, you run a big risk of snapping one of the stock rods.
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Cant he raise it to 8???
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

His cam makes power to 8,000 rpms but I still wound not raise it that high w/o building the bottom end. He may risk spinning a bearing or something else catastrophic. FYI I think Oscar (DJmota) raised his to 7,500 with KPro on the stock bottom end.

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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

So I need build up the bottom end.
That will have to wait.
I think my next thing is going to be a new CAT and new hood.
after that. Need to pay off the CC some to do more.

engine has to come out to do the bottom end right?
What on the bottom end can be changed for my future shopping list?
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Re: Car won't idle. plz help

FYI, ditch the cat all together its another restriction lol. Probably why your numbers are so low. As for the bottom end. You'd do right with some maxi light rods and higher compression pistons like 10.5:1 ratio. I would get some aftermarket rod bolts if you want to raise the redline and our stock crank should be sufficient. It might be economical to buy a cheap block from a junkyard and build that so you dont have any downtime. When its built you can just swap it out. Honestly I wouldn't bother building the bottom end. Ditch the cat, bump the redline to 7500, and retune. You'll get better numbers and save money.

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