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I see it this way, I've stated over and over that the motor we are speaking of through out most of this thread was built for racing, and there's a more streetable package available that can hang with the best of'em... and worth every penny given our options. so, it's not my motor that will look like a coke can filled with blackcats.

 
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boost, we need to talk, anyway we cna chat better than PMing?
u got a sn?

 
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for 8k, this is sooo coool!

now.. why isn't there a shop like this around here?

 
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Awesome

 
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i have never heard this phrase in my life and plz would like to know exactly what it means; i have to admit that is unique boost [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

okay, i thought you were saying that the 15:1 cr was for the daily driver version, that's why i was arguing that 93octane with that cr would lead to a reduction in engine life considering i was to use the car as a daily street driver. 12.5:1 sounds much more reasonable and even though it still might be a stretch with 93 octane i'm not exactly sure so i'm gonna talk to the owner of a dyno shop who my friend relies on for all his needs. i guess i must have missed the part where you said 250 to the crank was for the race only version and not for the street, if the street version would get at least 200 to the wheels i'd be very happy with the NA package. waiting eagerly for dyno

 
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according to John, the hp numbers could easily be HIGHER than estimated for both versions... still in tuning stages, and doesn't have exact CR.

 
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and it actually only cost 5 grand, as far as the coke can comment.. fill one with black cats, light it... and then see what it looks like. That's similar to what your motor would look like with a 100 shot misused.
NA= Naturally Aspirated (no turbo, no supercharger, no nitrous)

 
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What is Boost? lol j\k

 
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Holy Cow, $5-8k for a boost of only 110 HP? I just don't see the point in that, personally. If I put just $4-5K in the 440 in my Coronet I would easily be at 550hp and 600+ lbs of torque at the fly wheel, which although my car weighs 3800lbs, thats good for low 11's high 10's with the right chassis setup. But to each his own.

 
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Welcome to the imports buddy, there not muscle cars

 
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its all a power to weight ratio. I am always reminded of a SCC article that came out a while ago with a Mustang Cobra R vs. a DOHC VTEC 200hp Lotus. In every single competition that they did, the Lotus blew the Cobra R away. Yes, even the 1/4. People have to understand that import dont need the giant numbers that domestic muscle needs to go fast. Im not against american muscle, i love a lot of those cars, but i just hate it when people are like "imports suck because they only have 200hp." I just want to show them a video of the Lotus killing that Cobra R in the 1/4.
Just my 2 cents,
Peace~

 
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I saw the same article with the lotus, that was modded b18 in the lotus also. Anyway, it's no longer 5-8k, it would be right around 5k for the streetable version. WELCOME TO THE EXPENSIVE WORLD OF IMPORTS. Think of it this way, you win your money back on the street to losers with stock mustangs.

 
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Yeah, i've been around many late model mustangs and they're a far cry of what a "muscle" car really is/was, I'm not surprised it got toasted by much of anything. It would have been cool to run it against a Hemi Road Runner or a Cobra Jet GT 500, but those are not things you can just go buy off the show room floor. Saleen does infact make some really fast mustangs, but those are few and far between. I'm not trying to rag on imports here, they have their place, but the ones that frequent the local 1/8th mile track here aren't any competition for speed other than each other, but I know there are some fast ones out there, somewhere. I just wish more of the younger crowd like me were into 60's, early 70's american iron instead of imports, it would make for more interesting Saturday nights on the main drag. I prefer my mirrors to vibrate from the lopy cam, not the 15" subs in the trunk, 2 miles per gallon instead of 20, ahh...its hard to explain. Everyone has their own taste.

 
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I agree with cornet. Thatsa redicilous price for the power gains. but like i said, you pay through the *** for NA 4 cyl Hp, and for starting on a platform with really no options.

 
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and we all know a turbo has options, can go further etc... BUT you pay out the *** for that too. Any reputable turbo kit will cost 3k and up (brand new).. then you got all the extra goodies to go with it, internal upgrades.. etc. So, like I said.. you want a fast import- WHIP OUT YOUR CHECK BOOKS AND CREDIT CARDS- get ready to throw a lot of money away. Either way, it's a fun hobby.. and it's priceless when you see the face of a trans-am owner get owned by a piece of crap hatchback civic with a turbo charged b18 under the hood. This isn't for everyone... and to go NA on ANY import is expensive for the gains. So is going turbo. Even in the proffessional ranks you have NA and turbo classes, the turbo class is always going to have the faster car. Just so ya know though.. some of the fastest civics in the world are sohc. There was one in superstreet that did low 11's, high 10's. John at KMS has left an open invitation to anyone who denies the potential of a sohc 4 cylinder motor to race him. So, anyone in Georgia wanna go take a look at what he's got.. you'll be suprised. He's got an old blue civic with a sohc accord motor under the hood that does 12's all day long. He blew a head gasket a while back during one of his passes, coasted in 3rd gear to the finish line, and ran a 13.7. You don't HAVE to believe me.. being as it's so much more fun to be negative here.. just go see for yourself. To many of you.. money is a big issue.. to me, this is all I spend my extra money on.. and I'm lucky enough to have some to spend. So, this is what I want.. a 7th gen with that kind of power will be different, and no one will suspect it.

 
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NA=5k- a possible 130whp gain (give or take)
Turbo=3.4k- a possible 80whp gain (give or take)

Neither version has been dyno'd to my knowledge with proven results... spend another 1500 or so on internals.. and you could turn your boost up a decent amount to out do the NA car.
Then again, I DO know what I'm doing and I could spend another few hundred and run some N20

It's all about the driver's budget, experience, and preference. When I first started racing, I thought hondas even stepping onto the same track as my 5.0 was ridiculous, until a crx blew my doors off. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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bisi ezerioha (sp?) is running 10s on sohc honda, n/a.

"when there's a will, there's a way." or money for that matter.

 
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boost, is the streetable version going to be sold as a package? i have a d17 cylinder head sitting in my friends garage as of right now. would they be willing to do small mods like high compression pistons, mild port, cam, and maybe a valve job.

 
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yeah, they would.. give them a call.

 
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so ur gettin like 250 at the crank.. estamated.. but ur motor is really for drag.. not really street driving.. im sure most ppl on this site arent hardcore draggers either..

what kinda power would u think a street package like u have would make? im sure less.. but anywere around 175-200whp should be good enuff for most people around here. maybe a street version would cost less too?

 
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D17A2
if only I had that much money. Then again, if I did I sure wouldn't spend it on my car. $ in the bank.

 
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how about a phone# where we can get these parts? im interested in the bottom parts and that intake manifold.

 
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agreed. i'm interested in doing NA work on my car, rather than waiting for a swap or going FI. however, i commute about 50 miles a day to and from school, and reliability and streetability is something i definitely need.

 
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Okay, I'll try to explain this again.. the KMS civic has an all out racing motor in it... the compression is hella high, etc. The package i'm recieving cost around 5 grand..... it's streetable, very streetable. The dyno tuning isn't finished on either project. John at KMS said that he's shooting low when giving his estimated hp numbers. He doesn't want to advertise what he thinks so that people don't get their hopes up. I know the car pulls harder than I ever expected.. it will make you feel happy about being a civic owner again. The more money you spend, the faster you can go.. and that's how it works. There are limitations, but for you guys with fat wallets, you can get a very, very fast streetable civic. Like I said, he has an older gen sohc civc that's right at 300hp. It's a race car, but.. the streetable version wouldn't be far behind. I trust the guy with my money, and my car.. talk to him yourself, and so will you. I have a good feeling it won't be less than 200 to the wheels... a really good feeling. Talk to John if any of you have any doubt.
-Dennis
KMS-770.784.1801
By the way, he's really interested to know if we can get a group buy going... pistons, cams (we'd have to send in cores), anything! Just let me or John know if we can make something happen. It would be good for those that don't have the money to spend on an entire rebuild.

 
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look for dyno charts by next friday.

 
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I'm looking for a D17 to buy, heard you can get them for like 600 bucks!??! where??

 
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I have a question, is there any hope for automatics? None the less an LX auto with no VTEC of corse :[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

 
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call the number I left above and ask,

 
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<mr. Burns> Excellent [IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

 
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NA stands for Naturally Aspirated, Meaning no forced induction (turbo, supercharger, Nitrous) "All Engine" is the common term for NA