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S2000 Is gooooooood. .

 
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holy crap this is an old thread.

 
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someone had to dig for this one

 
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Naw...don't think so...Honda 2000 owns me

 
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and for 5000 i can get an old muscle car with a 350 (or bigger) in it and mod that to run 10s...your point?

btw im not arguing in favor of the s2k, i think they blow ***.

 
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Honestly, who gives a **** how fast it goes in a straight line. That isn't what it was designed to do... tell me how fast it goes up mountain passes and around road courses.... that's what it was designed to do.
I really don't understand why all you guys rate speed and how good a car is based upon how fast it goes straight. Honestly, that isn't really a great feat, whoopdy doo... any idiot can point a car down a runway.
Now.... getting a car to go fast and turn... now that's an accomplishment. All you need to go fast in a straight line is an drive train. To go through the twisties, you need a car that has it all, a well balanced suspension, brakes, predictable and neutral chassis movement, all of which the S2K has. If you want to drag, get a Camaro or something, Japanese cars are not designed to be drag racers.

 
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I know everyone's already said basically what I'm about to say... but here it goes.

First off, who cares if you could take a car and make it run 12's...you could take a freaking lawnmower and make it run 12's for 7 grand. THAT'S not the point.

Second, you take that S2000 on a REAL road (ya know, one with turns, and hairpins), not some drag strip and it will own almost any car it comes up against. I know that all some people car about is 1/4 mile times... but it takes a lot more engineering to make a car that can handle well then go fast in a straight line (I know top fuel dragsters are very complicated machines, but F-1 cars are even more complicated.)

Third, I bet the yahoo driving the car to get those times didn't know what he was doing in the first place. ANYWAY I do respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

-Mark

 
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Supercharged S2000....I have read that article and everything...and trust me...IT IS NOT TRUE!! One of my best friends is a manager at Honda here....showed him the article....and it absolutley not true....but what is a possibility is Honda making a truck for the year 2005. Even that is kinda in the air...

 
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I would have to agree. The S2000 is a street legal track car. It's not a Mustang.
As for the speed per dollar ratio, it doesn't appear to be a good deal compared to a built B which is a really attractive route for many tuners.

 
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s2000s are not by any means comparable to a wrc car, and cant compete with several cars in the production market. there are a horde of cheaper cars that will own on the twists...like the mp5. and the slightly more expensive...look at the vettes (c5, etc).

and

before you criticize the "yahoo" who got those times, ask yourself "can i get those times?"

 
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wait till the new 2005 mustang comes out!! It's a completely new design from the ground up (1st since the 80's)- especially the suspension! I expect it would dust a 2005 S2200 in the twisties- of course the torque advantage will play a big part!
IMO Honda needs to fix the rear camber issue when the rear suspension is working at its limits to get a truly good roadster.
(even if they don't a stock S2000 will still carve up the twisties better than my modded 2K1 civic- waaah)

As for the M3 convertible- there's 2 extra seats!!

BTW from multiple sources, they expect an increase in engine size to a 2.2L 4 banger, NOT a SC 2.0 for the S2000.

 
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heh. I just realize I'm reading an old thread.

the S2000 is nice, but an M3 isn't just any BMW convertible. The S2k is obviously the bang for the buck when compared, but er... I duno, I'll still take the M3.

Or the new SL500.

as for the miata... its a nice sporty car. its been a good seller, and its been around for quite sometime. it doesn't fly like a S2K, but it handles pretty well.

 
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I'm sure the S2k isn't the BEST handling in the production market, but damn near close. So I'm not sure what you think it can't compete with? I dont know of ANY cheaper cars that will own an S2k in the twists. If you think a stock mp5 will, you are mistaken.

As for vettes, if you didn't realize, the S2k is in BS class SAME AS the C5 vette. They are very good matches on a road course. And I know people think that "oh if there's a long straight in the road course, the vette will blow it away". Well that's not true either, so let me educate you as to why.

The S2k handles a little better than a stock C5. So let's say the S2k and vette are battling out some twisties, and the S2k gets ahead due to some handling prowess. Now they get to the last turn before a long straight. The S2k goes in at a little higher speed because it can, and begins to accelerate earlier. So now, the vette is coming out of the turn, but the S2k is already accelerating, has put a couple car lengths on the C5 and is going 10mph or more faster. So at the start of the straight, the C5 has to first make up that 10mph difference, as well as get to the acceleration rate of the S2k, by which time the S2k has already put even more distance on the vette. Now the vette has to try to make up that difference as well, all BEFORE the straight ends.

It's a lot harder than you think.

And also, FYI, the S2k currently holds the highest number obtained on a skidpad for a mass production vehicle in modified form. 1.19g's, if memory serves me correctly.

no, there is NO S2200. your sources are wrong.

and I highly doubt the new mustang will take an S2000 in the twisties. but that will be yet to be seen. do keep in mind, however, the S2000 is one of the best handling mass production vehicles available, and not many can even come close to what it does stock in terms of handling.

 
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To further prove my point, here is a video of an S2k vs a vette. Both cars are near stock with minor suspension mods.

Notice in the first long straight, how LONG it takes for the C5 to even start pulling on the S2k, since the S2k can accelerate earlier out of a turn. By the time the vette even gets close to having a chance of passing they are already at the next turn.

Oh yeah, the vette crashes at the end.

And yes I know how driver dependent road course is, but in the straight part the brute force of the vette with a monkey behind the wheel should just be able to pass the S2k right? wrong.

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Of the 3 sports cars that Ive seen posted in this thread, Mazda Miata, S2000 and the Vette, I've seen all three in action on an autocross track. First off, In stock form the Mazda Miata is an amazing car on the track. Those little girls have no Idea what type of car they are sitting in. Secondly, on A vette in stock form (With stock Tires)on an autocross track Is excessively hard to control. To much tourque and no way to get it to the ground properly. Just ask an autocrosser with a vett and they will tell you the same thing(through some stickys on there and they are a force to be reconed with). The S2000 has the ability to beat both, but this greatly depends on the driver, the one time an s2000 came out to play, it was with a Kid that had never autocrossed before. On his first run he was 6 seconds slower then I was in my Little civic. By the end of the day he had improved to being only 2 seconds slower. So there is a lot of potential in that car, but only an experianced driver will be able to use it. Its relitivly pointless to discuss which car will win in the 1/4 mile. there you only really need High HP and low LBS and some good timing. in autocross much more depends on the driver.

Autocross: Out here we race with our Steering wheels.

 
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The miata is an awesome track/auto X car.

 
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Just finished the viedo, That vett driver was choosing some poor lines. He seems to be trying to hard at catching the S2000 and paying the price for it. If he had late apexed that last corner rather then early apexing it as he did, he would have never crashed. My friend says that it looks like the corner before the crash is what did him in, where he ended up swinging wide, which forced him in to the early apex, which probably started the rear end to slide, then it looks like he hit the brakes, which made the whole thing worse. With road courses as well as autocross, The driver makes the most difference in wheather or not you win or loose. Cool video I might add, Eventually I may have some video of me autocrossing, but probably not for some time.

 
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yeah, i doubt he was the best driver, but even so, I dont think he'd have taken the S2k, and as I said, his power couldn't catch up to the S2k in the straight since the S2k was ahead to begin with.

he lost it in the turn because there is a slight dip in that corner, and it unsettled the back on him and he lost it.

 
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True, corner exits is were a lot of races are won or lost.

The thing with road courses, They say you should never race a car you cant afford to push off a cliff.

 
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s2000 = the best girl car

and NO the s2000 does not own the m3 at all.

m3 is one of the best cars ever built.

 
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A new M3 will rock an S2k. the previous M3 will be a close race. Straightline of course. Handling is another story.

And the S2000 being a girl car.... why? Because it's faster than your car? Because it handles better than your car? Because it's a convertible roadster, unlike your car?

If you think the S2k is the best girl car, what on earth do you consider your car?

 
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I don't think the S2000 is a girls car but I wouldn't buy one. An M3 IMO, looks 10x better. But that's just me. I am actually debating on which car to buy in the next year. The M3 is at the top of my list and realistically I don't think I would be happy with anything less. And yes I think an S2000 is less of a car. Sorry S2000Man.

 
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NP. I dont expect everyone to like them, or want one over every other car out there.

However, as noted, I will take words with someone who says it's a "perfect girl's car".

But no hard feelings that you like the M3 better. Your choice.

 
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IMO s2k is da sh*t!

i don't care if my grandma drives it...i'd still roll in one...

but thats just my opinion of course...

 
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it won't everything its up against. Have you seen the s2k perform on a scca solo II ?
the car is very well balanced and is rwd. THE biggest problem is it doesn't have a good power band. It has everything to make it a fast car in the twisties but power to pull it out of a turn. I do like the s2000 and with a blower It would be a lot nicer in the straights and turns. A miata would completely own a s2000 on a road coarse its one of the best balanced sports cars ever.

 
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A miata would need to be VERY modded to keep up with an S2000 on a road course. The S2k's skidpad and slalom speeds are higher than a miata, AND the S2k has more power.

As for "not having a good power band".... A, please look up gearing. B, please actually LOOK at the dyno of an S2000. It has 2 VERY FLAT torque curves. The car is EASY to keep in its powerband, even on a roadcourse. Would you like to see the video of an C5 trying to chase down an S2000 (both near stock) on a roadcourse? Roadcourses ARE very driver intensive, none the less, the S2000 will OWN a miata (are you serious?) and is one of the best road course production cars in stock form ever built.

 
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Bah revived old threads, they confuse the hell out of me till i find out they're revived :P


s2000 imo is the guys miata

how could you call the s2k a girls car and not the miata :P

 
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Skidpad #s & slalom speed aren't everything. Like we've seen before, it all depends on driver skill & PREFERENCE.

If you follow F1, you see in the teams of 2 cars, the one w/ the better driver occasionally is WAY better than the other. This is in spite of the same performance capability. A lot has to do w/ set- up. If they switched cars, do you think the results would be the same? No! This is because you can't get the same results driving a car you don't like.

It's possible for someone to get better performance out of a miata than an S2000- just because he PREFERS the setup.

They key to this discussion is SAME PERSON, DIFFERENT CARS!!

 
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I see what you mean, and it's very true. So I guess say this. Put in equally skilled drivers into their respective rides, and the S2k will own the miata on the roadcourse.

However, there is certainly an aftermarket for the miata, so that's not to say it isn't STILL one of the best roadcourse and auto X cars you can buy. Especially at it's price.

 
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Hey, s2000man , could you throw any link of s2000 racing a mustang, C5, or any other muscle car? I remember you told about punishing Ford Mustang GT ten times in a row. I did not drive s2000, but I have driven 5 speed Mustang GT, and I do not want to believe that stock S2000( stock only) could beat stock GT on 1/4 mile. S2000 would have a lot of catching up to do after Mustang pulls away...I think your s2000 should be modified