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plain and simple....
speeding is dangerous. passing at high speeds is even more dangerous. driving on the shoulder is borderline nutz... GLASS or foreign objects can pop ur tire and flip ur car. i've done it too though, so im not preachin here. basically he got busted for driving too fast. yes, there are possible severe consequences, such as death or severe injury to himself and/or others... however he got lucky and only got away with a ticket. let that be a lesson to him and he can take it however he wishes.

i think this topic needs to be LOCKED by the moderator because its just a controversial subject that will go back and forth until people get sick of insulting eachother.

 
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<< plain and simple....
speeding is dangerous. passing at high speeds is even more dangerous. driving on the shoulder is borderline nutz... GLASS or foreign objects can pop ur tire and flip ur car. i've done it too though, so im not preachin here. >>



LOL.




<< basically he got busted for driving too fast. yes, there are possible severe consequences, such as death or severe injury to himself and/or others... however he got lucky and only got away with a ticket. let that be a lesson to him and he can take it however he wishes. >>



Actually that makes *you* lucky, because you never stated what happened to you. Obviously your still alive, and I'm going to assume you didn't get a ticket. Homey still got a ticket. Not lucky. Something bad worse could've happen. Of course, but that can be said about alot of us with our driving habits.



<< i think this topic needs to be LOCKED by the moderator because its just a controversial subject that will go back and forth until people get sick of insulting eachother. >>



Why? Its a good thread. It voices some opinions on the matter of wreckless driving, an 18 year old got a ticket and doesn't think he was driving wreckless. Obviously the majority thinks otherwise. Now its what seperates from speeding to being a heat seeking missile of death.

I don't think speeding is as dangerous as same someone who is driving drunk or as other wreckless behavior, its still dangerous though. But it made the thread go along. I haven't insulted anybody.

Ray

 
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SugarRay:
I have to admit, maybe my choice of words was kind of harsh. By no means to I wish him any sort of harm or even death for that matter. Again, the general idea that I was trying to get across was that in the even that there were to be an accident, he is the only one effected. That's all I meant, nothing more, nothing less. I think we all agree what he did was dangerous and very irresponsibile. Sure, there are more dangerous people on the road. But that still doesn't make his actions any less severe. He put himself, and at least the 3 cars he had to pass on the shoulder in danger for his thrill of going fast. Sure, we all like to go fast. But there are places and times to do it. A dark highway with other cars on the road is obviously not the place. And everyone keeps saying "At least you got away with a ticket" Lets keep in mind that he did not get away with a ticket. He got Arrested. He has to go to court and he now has a criminal record, if he hasn't already. My other concern is he is only 18years old. As much as he may think, he is not an "exerienced" driver. I'm 23 and between the several cars I've had since I was 16 I've driven more 225,000 miles, I don't consider myself expereinced. Especially experienced enough to handle a car safely at those speeds in traffic.

I don't agree with locking this thread. I do realize that this is a "No-end" conversation. However, I feel that both sides are arguing their case in a polite and descent manner. We are not calling each other names and criticising each other with every post. I feel that this is a constructive disagreement and the posts should continue. Isn't that what this forum is for? It would be different if we were flaming each other, but until then, let the posting continue. I actually enjoy and constructive disagreement.

 
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KevinFWB,

I understand your point.
Bottom line is he was driving reckless and dangerous to others. I am not justifying his actions, which were immature and careless (also his responses on here). I admit I kinda strayed when saying there are worse things then this, while that was my intital point, the main point I missed is this guy actually thinks he didn't do anything wrong. 120mph in a 55mph zones are something you just cannot do.

What my point was, something like that IMO doesn't justify a year in jail, or someone that "I hope he gets hurt to understand" type of thing, far worse drivers out there then this. That was my getting of the topic point.

He is an 18year old, offically an adult and should have some responsibility with his actions. The guy had a long day and all, but still shouldn't do such things.

I hope he doesn't have to learn the hard way and find out how tragic some of these turn out. If he goes out tomorrow or this weekend and does the same thing, drives in the same manner, then something is wrong and maybe he deserves some jail time and a suspended license. Maybe he deserves a suspended license now. I don't know.


To me in theory, driving 120mph isn't that much different then say 90-95 mph. Both are blazing fast, and if something out of the ordinary happened, your toast. In essense, I don't have a problem with him going 120mph in open road, its the going in the shoulder part, doing a move with a car, where any amount of pressure to the wheel can cause in going out of control.

I never approach that speed because I know I wouldn't be able to handle my car. I'm 21, and know better. All people should realize at that speed, I consider the car to be a massive weapon, just because it can go that speed doesn't make you capable of handling it. Regardless of age.

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I disagree with all that, cause I have had about 9 tickets and my insurance is 472 every 3 months. Do the math. For high insurance it takes a combination of both tickets and wrecks. I have a friend with a civic and he has 4 tickets, but numerous wrecks. He pays 256 in insuance a month! So don't wreck, and slow down to were you can see the cops, cause paying the tickets can get expensive, especially when you have to get your liscense reinstated!

 
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My first ticket I ever had, I got clocked going almost 100mph. All I got was a $150 fine. Recently, I read about a girl who got pulled over exactly where I did going 75mph, and she got 2 weeks communit service. Since then I've had 6 tickets, totalling maybe 700 bucks. Not one ever made it to insurance. I'm a lucky sob, but as many deaths that could've been prevented, it's no wonder speeding laws are much more strict. It's "for our own good." Speeding is definitely fun, I highly recommend it if you know you're going to get away with it.

 
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Interesting. I'm not comfortable going 100mph in the Civic. The tires are way too unstable. You're lucky you were stable throughout the ride.

Bro, race ain't got nothing to do with it... well maybe if you're black in LA or NY.

I could care less about racing on public streets, just do it where there's nobody around. I got caught by the police at 4:30 in the morning when I pulled a nice 10ft 4 wheel drift around a corner. I approached the 90 degree turn at 55mph and handbraked it. The thing is there is nobody around for a good 5 miles in any direction and the cop was just on his way home from his beat. I didn't get a ticket, but I got a verbal beating. I'd say that put the fear of God in me. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

There's nothing wrong with racing or testing out your car when NOBODY is around.

 
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<< he was only going 120, not 200. i'm sure alot of people have hit that mark before. (i have yet to hit it, only hit 100 so far). on trips to vegas(from LA) grandma's even hit 120 >>



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I was going 100 in a 65 and this granny in an audi literally flew past me.

 
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Damn...

 
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I feel compelled to throw my two cents in as a police officer. First, while the US Supreme Court ruled last year that police officers may make arrests for traffic violations, I would not have. You would, however, probably have received several summonses from me. As for insurance finding out, you are terribly mistaken. New York (as well as most other states) have a computer system in which all tickets are entered regardless of the disposition (guilty, not guilty, etc). ALL insurance carriers have access to this system and will see what happened. They usually scan license records every six months. Further, insurance companies send out surveys periodically, before scanning your license to ask if you received summonses within the past x months. Your answers are compared with the computer and if you are found to be lying, that is automatic cause to terminate your policy immediately. Yes, I have gone 120 and maybe a little faster in emergency life and death situations in my police issue vehicle with lights and sirens activated -BUT- I also attended one of the longest police academies in the United States where I was extensively trained in EVOC (emergency vehicle operators course). People do make mistakes, this isn't a capital offense...just be careful in the future...as someone else said, speed kills.

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if you were doing 120 on the stock firestones, consider yourself lucky to have gotten a ticket and not wrecked the car. i barely hit 100 on them once and i didnt feel like i had enough control of the car

 
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You must have two things to equal reckless driving that it the driver must be careless and wanton (look it up)..... and technically when you get a ticket you are being arrested and not gonna go into detail and explain that one..... and Kevin why did you say speeding is NOT against the law?.... where do you live in Germany on the autobahn?

 
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02Carbon, I think Kevin meant to say that speeding is not a crime. Speeding in New York, California and most other states are traffic vio's and vio's aren't crimes...but yes, you are absolutely right that a vio is against the law...Here in New York, Sect. 1212 of the Vehicle and Traffic Law is Reckless Driving...it is a misdemeanor, which is a crime, and is usually handled by a DAT (desk appearance ticket). I also agree with you in that a ticket is technically an arrest...we were taught that in the academy the ticket is in lieu of a physical arrest.

 
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You're right after reading all that crap I forgot what he actually wrote he did say it wasnt a CRIME....

 
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Runaway Soul, thas exactly wha I was doing and I agree wit ya.
And no I do not have stock tires.
And thank you QCKSILVR for the info. But I will garuntee the insurance won't find out. This of course is not my first high speed ticket and not my last. Some of you guys get 'stupid' tickets for doing 'stupid' things on local roads correct? I on the other hand like the open road at night; some of u guys should think twice before u say anything at all cuz in reality if u blow a simple light, 4 car pile up, and 1 death, like the one I saw in my sister's car, it's quite dangerous. Goin 100 on the freeway hittin a pole losin control, kills me and only me, I think I kno the risks (duh), but it's my own risk at fault not anyone elses. U guys do a real good job makin me sound like Im gonna hit 10 cars and flip. Like I said I don't even speed on local roads or street race, the only thing I like to do ilegally is go fast at 11pm on the freeway, im not the one out there tryin to burn the camero or neons weavin in local lanes (u gus kno u do it).
And then theres ppl like KevinFWB that said "IM GIVING IMPORTS A BAD NAME?" "I SHOULD KILL MYSELF" - look im not as dumb@$$ like you, im not gonna even respond to that other than u need to get ur head on straight, cuz "people like u make me sick and look retarded in forums like this and make the whole 7thgencivic look simply bad with comments like those"
SugerRay, I wasnt doin 120 on the shoulder, u like some others like to throw in lil parts of the story and make it sound real bad so u can flame some more, but u "like the others" didn't kno I went on the right side (3rd lane) shoulder (which is the slow lane at jus about 50mph) But I do agree goin 120 and 90 is the same. Sorry but please dont mention anything in ur reply that you dont kno for a fact, but I do agree with a lot and backin me up on the replies of others.

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I was with my cosuin in is SHO one time goin down a highway that was 45 MPH doin like 110. to make a long story short, we got pulled over and we had the windows down and the cop was yelling to us "ARE YOU CRAZY? ARE YOU F*CKING CRAZY? WHAT THE F*CK WERE YOU THINKING YOU F*CKING IDIOT!? BOTH OF YOU OUT OF THE CAR AND LIE DOWN WIITH YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD" well my cousin had is army uniform on, so the cop APOLOGIZED to him for making him lay down and told him to get up, and he is sorry he disrepected our nations armed forces (wtf?) and that he needs to slow it down, and wrote him a ticket for goin 60 in a 45

 
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One fine night(as you have said repeatedly) you will be driving at 120M/hr lose control and wrap yourself around a poll, maybe something else is going to happen and at 120 no matter what it's going to be it will be spectacular. If you get a blow out at that speed your tire will be in peaces within seconds, rip apart the plastic panels above the tire and damage the fender or the front bumper. I'm saying this in case you care about your car cuz you don't seam to care about your own life and others. Come on dude slow down to like 90.

 
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leadfoot78, thanks for the reply, but thas a negative. Im not gonna hurt anyone else unless I do lose 100% control which would suck and Im gonna have to aim at the median guard rails. I dont ride with others nor ride on a freeway more than 3 cars in my vison. SO Chances are Im not gonna hurt anyone but me in an accident, which again I stated is fine wit me.
LJ, thas wha happened to me too basically. but thas pretty fast for 2 ppl in a car. I dont got more than 65 with another person in my car on the freeway.

 
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Freeways aren't exactly designed for speeding. If he wants to do it, then I guess that's him. If he never comes back to the forums, I guess we know what happened to him. I still think he did it at the wrong time.

LJ: Yeah, if you work for the army, you can get out of a speeding ticket easily.

 
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I always extend courtesy to people with military identification, other officers, and friend and family of officers that have that officers PBA card. I really don't like the attitude that some people have where they feel they can speed and do it in a safe manner. Sleeper, the fact that you make the admission that you ride with no more than 3 people in your vision alludes to the belief that you are willing to put three motorist's lives (as well as any of their passengers) lives in danger. Keep in mind that sh*t DOES in fact happen, and there is certainly a correlation between accidents and high rates of speed. It's one thing to exceed the speed limit by a little, I've noticed that everyone seems to do it, but there is really no excuse to drive like a bat out of hell on a public road/highway. People SHOULD be aware that the possibility exists that you may kill or injure someone by exceeding the speed limit in a reckeless and excessive manner. What state are you from Sleeper? I don't understand how your insurance company will not ask you or find out about your summons even if you are found not guilty. Keep in mind that if you lie to them that you never received the summons, it is a misstatement of a material fact = insurance fraud...I suppose it is possible that your state does not report tickets on the computer...I urge you to just be careful in the future.

 
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The insurance company WILL find out, there is no logical reason that they shouldnt. I got nailed for revving my engine and smokin the tires, they call it "stunting" and he wrote careless driving NOT reckless and the insurance company called me the NEXT day and inquired about it.

Im not gonna preach and say slow down, that be ignorant of me...i drive fast so im not gonna add hypocrit to my list of faults as well. Fastest ive gone is 135 at 5am over this long a$$ bridge that was empty, i was scared out of my friggin mind!! If i was on a track it be different but hittin those speeds on a public road, even if it was barren, just spooked me. Fasest i go now is 100-110 when the freeway goes to 4 lanes. Im not saying thats any better by no means, but i do it.

I just say be safe, noone wants u hurt and definately noone hurt by u cause of ur actions. Im curious bout u goin to jail for a year, my friend got nailed in New Orleans doin 120 in a 55 in his prelude and he got arrested and spent the night in jail but that was it. Paid a fine and minor other things but he was never threatened with a year in jail.

Just everyone be safe, we have very nice cars and can do awesome things to them but they r quite dangerous. Thats y im workin on my car for show instead of speed.....to afraid of what id do to myself or other people if given that power. Everyone just be careful

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Hey Sleeper, you have my back. if you have a "need for speed" get a bike. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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haha as a matter of fact... last night on my way home from my friends house (well this morning 4am) i was cruisin on the highway at about 110-115 and i was fine. and yes there were a few cars on the road that i had to pass. you guys are assuming that he was going 120mph the WHOLE F*CKIN TIME. i mean **** when cars come into view, you slow it down a little and excercise more caution. but once their in the rear view...as ja rule said "MENAGE!!!!!" [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Driving is a privledge, NOT a right. Grow up.

 
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Crazy speeders up in here, I have my need for speed sometimes but only hit 105 maybe twice since I bought my car in August of 01. That was when I got fed up with people hogging in the passing lane on the interstate doing the speed limit and won't get over. Show those morons a Civic can move HEHE. But I never speed at night I can't see the po po, and for animals and who knows whats in the road. But for all the speeders I say its your car do whatever, just warn me if you are coming up LOL [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG]

But yeah my buddy on his motorcycle got nailed for doing over 100+ in a 55 on the 51 in Phoenix, AZ so he went to court and got off easy, he was so lucky.

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As far as my comment that "Speeding is not against the law". I can only speak for the state of Florida. I am a fully licsenesed law enforcement officer in the state of Florida. However, I am in college and not immediatley persuing a career in law enforcement. (The money just ins't there). Speeding in itself in the state of Florida is indeed not a crime or against the law. Your driving liscense is a civil contract between you and the Florida Department of Motor Vehicles. They give you a liscense to drive in their state and you agree to the guidelines setforth by the DMV (speed limites, traffic lights, etc..). If you violate the guidelines the local/state police have the authority to issue you a citation and behalf of the DMV. If you do not pay your fines or otherwise don't follow the guidelines the DMV has the right to revoke you drivers liscense. And then driving on a suspended liscense is against the law and you can be arrested for it. There are 3 "levels" of speeding in the state of Florida. There is general speeding which is not a criminal offense, the most you can get is a trafic citation, a ticket. Then there is careless driving (which includes more than speeding),which is also not a criminal offense or against the law. Careless driving is just that. Being careless of your actions. Then there is reckless driving (which also includes more than excessive speeding). Reckless driving is against the law and you can go to jail for it. Reckless driving is defined and knowingly and willingly putting yourself and others around you in evident danger. So, at least in Florida, a normal traffic ticket is not an arrest. Its merely a fine on behalf of the DMV for a violation of the "contract" that you have with them. The original author of this post did if fact get "ARRESTED" for reckless driving. Although they could have handcuffed him and taken him to jail, for some unknown reason they chose not to. Instead they wrote him a criminal citation, (not a speeding ticket) and he has to appear in criminal court. Not traffic court. Cops have the ability to choose whether to issue someone a criminal citatoin or to actually take them in for processing. As far as your insurance not finding out. Some states automatically add citations into a database and in other states the insurance company has to request your driving history. I guarantee you that your insurance company does do random history checks. And although they may have not found out yet, I guarantee you that the will and your insurance will either be highly increased or you will be dropped. You are obviously a high-risk driver.

 
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Kevin, yeah what you said pretty much applies to New York as well. The VTL (Vehicle and Traffic Law) Sect. 1180 deals with speeding and is broken into categories, all of which are violations, and are illegal but not criminal in nature. VTL 1212, however, is reckless driving and is a crime as it is a misdemeanor. New York State also has traffic summonses, refered to as simplified traffic information and criminal summonses which are referred to as DATs (desk appearance tickets). The latter being an order to appear in a court and not offering a mail plea option. As a fellow LEO, I also agree with you that the insurance company will probably find out...it just doesn't add up that an insurance company does not find out about summonses, as a driving record is a major determining factor of the premium.

 
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I thought reading the comments in this discussion and another one that KevinFWB you were a police officer or had that background. Just a hunch. Yes, I agree speeding down the road at night at 120 and passing cars on the shoulder is dangerous as he11 ! The shoulder is where all the debris piles up and your very likely to pick up something that could cut a tire and cause a serious accident. Plus motorists kinda freak out when they see something approaching that fast at night and could possibly pull over to the shoulder to avoid you thinking they are going to get creamed in the rear. No one ever has the right to endanger other people by their actions, whether it be by driving or anything else. But, on this topic, I'm kinda of a hypocrit. I do sometimes (not often) have the tendancy to run my car down the freeway, not in any traffic however, at speeds up to 120. I guess, I just have the need, to feel the speed and to remember my reckless youth. $ucks getting old!

 
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SugerRay, I wasnt doin 120 on the shoulder, u like some others like to throw in lil parts of the story and make it sound real bad so u can flame some more, but u "like the others" didn't kno I went on the right side (3rd lane) shoulder (which is the slow lane at jus about 50mph) But I do agree goin 120 and 90 is the same. Sorry but please dont mention anything in ur reply that you dont kno for a fact, but I do agree with a lot and backin me up on the replies of others.

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Then don't brint it up if you do not want anybody to reply and give their opinions.

If you actually read my posts, I stated before anything else, that I was assuming, because you didn't give enough background on the situation. Hell man, I was defending your situation as *not* being to severe as compared to others have said. What I did say, was whatever the case, it still was reckless driving by the true defention of it. You want to call that a flame, fine by me. I don't care.

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My apologies Ray if that sounded as bad, but after readin some things I made my assumption that you were one to flame with in fact missin the part where u said that you were "assuming".
NickDaMans02Civic, yea motorcycles are crazy quick in high speeds too. I saw 3 Kawasakis doin atleast 120. Looked cool, and I can't wayt till I get one later on my life. Sorry for ur friend.
syon2k1 and PeArlHoNdA and BAK, I kno exactly wha ur both sayin, It's late night with pratically any cars and u jus push the cruise control and let her glide. I try to be as safe as possible for everyone out there too, and some people do talk like doin a 100 is out of control crazy.
And I've gotten many tickets before, and the insurance did not get me for one cuz I went to court and got supervision and some have accutaly been thrown out due to reasons. Basically cops had a close eye on my *** for a long time. But cuz I dont speed in local roads, or race or do "stunt" burnouts and what not so durring close license supervision I didnt get any citations and therefore no insurance crap...But If I did get caught doin sumptin dumb under supervision...ughh man.. I wouldn't be happy at all, everyone will take a bite outa my butt then.
I live in IL QCKSILVR.
and thanks to KevinFWB for stating something that is obviously FALSE.
"The original author of this post did if fact get "ARRESTED" for reckless driving. Although they could have handcuffed him and taken him to jail, for some unknown reason they chose not to. Instead they wrote him a criminal citation, (not a speeding ticket) and he has to appear in criminal court. Not traffic court."
-The topic isnt arrested for reckless driving, it's plain speeding. And im goin to traffic court not criminal and also last time I went to court was last summer and got supervision and no insruance contact, other times I got the case thrown out and I got another high speed july fourth 2000, that was supervision also, and guess wha moron....no insurance contact and rates...went lower.
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