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The problem is that the engine is so big that its ridiculous. If you want a car with 500, 600, or more horsepower, you build a better engine, not just keep adding cylinders and clicking the 'enlarge all' button on a computer.
These american companies have the knowledge and talent to do so much better, but they seem like they are holding themselves back
These american companies have the knowledge and talent to do so much better, but they seem like they are holding themselves back
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
anyone read up on the new Turbo Ecotec motor GM is putting in the Pontiac Solstice?
2.0L 260 hp and 260 tq. Small turbo, makes boost at 1700 RPM, and makes a full 20 psi at 2500 RPM.
Now that is awesome. The old ecotec blocks were good for 1400 hp. They redesigned this one pretty much from the bottom up for better power, better strength, and better fuel economy. They are now using a direct injection system that nets a 5% increase in power and a 2% increase in fuel economy.
Not bad for a domestic car, right? SRT4 killer.
2.0L 260 hp and 260 tq. Small turbo, makes boost at 1700 RPM, and makes a full 20 psi at 2500 RPM.
Now that is awesome. The old ecotec blocks were good for 1400 hp. They redesigned this one pretty much from the bottom up for better power, better strength, and better fuel economy. They are now using a direct injection system that nets a 5% increase in power and a 2% increase in fuel economy.
Not bad for a domestic car, right? SRT4 killer.
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Originally Posted by diskreet
The problem is that the engine is so big that its ridiculous. If you want a car with 500, 600, or more horsepower, you build a better engine, not just keep adding cylinders and clicking the 'enlarge all' button on a computer.
These american companies have the knowledge and talent to do so much better, but they seem like they are holding themselves back
These american companies have the knowledge and talent to do so much better, but they seem like they are holding themselves back
500 HP 6 cylinders aren't reliable enough to go for 100+K miles and be warranted AND pass emissions (I know about 2JZs and RB26s but they are all modified). THe engines that make huge power through RPMs also suck gas like a mother. I know that Honda is known for fuel efficiency, but ask ANYONE know owns a modded type S about their fuel economy when they consistently get into VTEC-it really kills the economy. Large displacement engines like in the Cobra, Vette and Viper can make big power without breaking a sweat (and everyone needs to realize that pushrod engines are much smaller dimensionally compared to their OHC brothers-compare a 302 Ford small block to an M5 engine, they are both 5L, but the M5 engine is HUGE). This also means that the larger engines have lots of potential. I respect the fact that NA K-series motors are making 300whp, but at $15K on top of the cost of the motor and no torque, I'd rather have an LS1 that'll get better gas mileage, RWD, and that doesn't have to use ITBs to get to 300whp (you need a GOOD tuner). The 2nd gen (factory) forged viper motors were good to WELL over 1000whp-that is simply unimaginable to me.
i cant believe this is such a big deal right now, any company can do it. its just the nescessity.
an engine to be considered efficient must make one horspower per cubic inch, so a 350 should make 350. that works out to be 61.02 hp per litre. s2k makes well over that with the f20.
and these numbers are for n/a not FI, thats cheating lol.
i actually agree, they do and they do.
i think anyone who underestimates these companies by saying they cant build a good engine is wrong, they can but they dont. i think the main reason is to keep the following of people who want to upgrade a car and see massive gains. its like chevy designs a engine to be mediocre so its practical and so at the same time whoever buys it can make it perform to its best with some mild add-ons.
an engine to be considered efficient must make one horspower per cubic inch, so a 350 should make 350. that works out to be 61.02 hp per litre. s2k makes well over that with the f20.
and these numbers are for n/a not FI, thats cheating lol.
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These american companies have the knowledge and talent to do so much better, but they seem like they are holding themselves back
i think anyone who underestimates these companies by saying they cant build a good engine is wrong, they can but they dont. i think the main reason is to keep the following of people who want to upgrade a car and see massive gains. its like chevy designs a engine to be mediocre so its practical and so at the same time whoever buys it can make it perform to its best with some mild add-ons.
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Rep Power: 365 i would rather have a k20 pushing 400hp in a small, lightweight package, than a 6.0L iron block pushing 400hp. yea, less torque, but less weight. it is all relative.. but having a 10L engine that makes 1000 hp, or a fully built 2.4L v12 that makes 800 hp... i mean cmon. ferrari saw this advantage way back in the 60's with their tiny v12's pushing amazing power and saving hundreds of pounds off a light block.
btw... ferrari had a 2.0L in i think 1967 making 200 hp. this isn't new technology advances to make this possible.. it is just the manufacturers wanting to do it.
btw... ferrari had a 2.0L in i think 1967 making 200 hp. this isn't new technology advances to make this possible.. it is just the manufacturers wanting to do it.
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Originally Posted by modoman
btw... ferrari had a 2.0L in i think 1967 making 200 hp. this isn't new technology advances to make this possible.. it is just the manufacturers wanting to do it.
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Originally Posted by modoman
i would rather have a k20 pushing 400hp in a small, lightweight package, than a 6.0L iron block pushing 400hp. yea, less torque, but less weight. it is all relative.. but having a 10L engine that makes 1000 hp, or a fully built 2.4L v12 that makes 800 hp... i mean cmon. ferrari saw this advantage way back in the 60's with their tiny v12's pushing amazing power and saving hundreds of pounds off a light block.
btw... ferrari had a 2.0L in i think 1967 making 200 hp. this isn't new technology advances to make this possible.. it is just the manufacturers wanting to do it.
btw... ferrari had a 2.0L in i think 1967 making 200 hp. this isn't new technology advances to make this possible.. it is just the manufacturers wanting to do it.
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Originally Posted by acjones21
you're an idiot. A N/A K20 will never push 400HP. RICER
2. there are small displacement large cylinder motors.
3. he is not a ricer.
a NA k20 won't push 400. BUT the 4.0 legen Maxx motor is NA and pushes more than 400 hp. more like 500. DOHC with individual throttle boddies. there are such things as small displacement motors with 12 cylinders. and that whole thing about an aluminum block don't mean ****. why? cause its more aluminum then the 4 banger. still heavier.
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no sorry not a n/a k20...
and a 2.9L v-12 is not a big motor in my books.
and a 2.9L v-12 is not a big motor in my books.
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Rep Power: 336 i think he means big motor as in HEAVY. lets think about it. the v8 has 2x as many pistions, way more block volume(actual weight of the whole block) the crank is at least 2x as heavy, 2x as many rods. so its 2x as much rotational force than a 4 banger. AND its limited in the revs it can get. more mass to turn means less revs possible. idk. i think im done with this subject. to each his own
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i think he means big motor as in HEAVY. lets think about it. the v8 has 2x as many pistions, way more block volume(actual weight of the whole block) the crank is at least 2x as heavy, 2x as many rods. so its 2x as much rotational force than a 4 banger. AND its limited in the revs it can get. more mass to turn means less revs possible. idk. i think im done with this subject. to each his own
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Originally Posted by MajinB
i think he means big motor as in HEAVY. lets think about it. the v8 has 2x as many pistions, way more block volume(actual weight of the whole block) the crank is at least 2x as heavy, 2x as many rods. so its 2x as much rotational force than a 4 banger. AND its limited in the revs it can get. more mass to turn means less revs possible. idk. i think im done with this subject. to each his own
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Rep Power: 365 the v12's is really me talking out of place, because they are exotic exceptions, but i was just making a point, 1 that majin b is correct about in the fact that i would rather have a turbo'ed 2.0L than a 454 big block pushing the same power (with much more torque. the 454 will weigh incredible, and take a large car or a car with a modified frame to handle an engine of that size and weight, thus adding much more weight to the car). it is all in opinion.
this **** isn't religion people so just calm down before the name calling gets out of hand (acjones... who the fvck are you?)
this **** isn't religion people so just calm down before the name calling gets out of hand (acjones... who the fvck are you?)
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i was talking about BB v8s
Also, I like the discussion of topics like these even if it doesn't get anywhere because any argument where people have different opinions will never be settled to a final answer. It's just nice to see people share their opinions and maybe try to slip some untrue facts in there without getting caught haha. People just need to be more openminded and not think every foreign car is the **** nor do the domestic people think their 454 owns the road.
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no ibtl. i called the closed stamp now lets see it lol.
and i agree wit u guys that these discussions are fun sometimes but this one had too many people throwing too many situations and ideas into the mix, its a huge mess of poop and a few people not knowing what theyre talking about.
and i agree wit u guys that these discussions are fun sometimes but this one had too many people throwing too many situations and ideas into the mix, its a huge mess of poop and a few people not knowing what theyre talking about.
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Rep Power: 0 ok guys, it has been fun. I really did post this originally as a joke (I just can't stand the HP/L thing, so I thought that it would be funny). It is interesting to hear everyone's viewpoints (and misinformation) and, I agree that I am a bit biased towards big motors (I'm from south GA, I had never seen an integra until the first day of college). I am on a Honda site though, so you know that I think that big power from small engines in small cars is cool (I really like the K series swaps in Elises), but I also think that we have lots of fanboys here who still think that domestics run 8L iron block V8s that have 200HP and get 4 MPG. I guess that's the point of the internet; to exchange ideas.
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Originally Posted by 04hemiboy
doesn't matter,it's still fvckin slow
what an idiotic thing to say. considering the S2000 is one of the fastest straightline and cornering in it's class. people who make statements like these are clueless fanbois.
Originally Posted by acjones21
No 2.4L engine makes 800HP NA unless it's F1 and Ferraris have to be overhauled every 15000 miles. So much for technology.
FYI, we have 2 S2000's pushing over 800whp. and those are 2.0 liter engines. stock engine and internals too, aside from a headgasket.
you're an idiot. RICER
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