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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1354608

its the new Z06 with a cam, headers and a tune. no VTEC, no overhead cams, no JDM bull$hit, just massive HP and 25MPG (still almost as good as an NSX that's 1/3 the HP).

 
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...almost 100

 
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Eh, my friend has topped 800 now in his N/A Lingenfelter LS7 C5. Yeah, I said that right, he has an LS7, lol.

 
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For real, that engine is a 7.0 Liter.

Still faster than all our cars haha.

 
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kool if you have a small pen15.

 
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Pfft seen better.

 
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I think its hilarious when people mention this kind of thing. In the back of my mind there is a voice saying the person that said this is thinking about manhood size when we're talking about cars...


if I do my math right, thats not 100hp/L its 7 liters right? I dont know though, I guess if the SAE ratings are off by that much, it might be 100.

 
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yeah thats not quite 100 hp per liter. And for the gas mileage, you gotta remeber vetts got an extremely wide 6th gear and good low end power/torque so it can cruise the highway running under 2000 rpm. More cars really need to start doing this. I think our civics need a wide 6th gear just for mantaining speed on the highway so I can speed and kill the gas mileage.

For over 100 hp per liter check our their new turbo direct injection 2.0 liter ecotec. http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/S.../Sky_Red_Line/ Thatll accomplish the domestic task.

 
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That normally applies to naturally aspirated cars. Some see it as an advancement in technology where force induction is not needed to increase the power of a vehicle. The GTi can do 100hp/L, and some other vehicles I cant think of off the top of my head...

 
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not stock

 
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As I've said before, hp/l is a ricer measurement. Who cares about hp/l when you are talking about 623rwhp. No Civic will ever touch that Corvette. Even if a Civic is putting down those numbers, it's not doing it as reliably.

So sure, it might not make 100hp/litre, but when it can outperform cars that do reach the almighty 100hp/litre mark, does that mark really mean anything? Nope.

Oh, and by the hp/l measurement, the NSX is garbage.

 
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there is a such thing as replacement for displacement. its called boost. and yes, they are "reliable" as you call it. but yea sometimes its a big thing when a lamborghini can make 100hp/litre

 
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hp/L is not a ricer term. It is a measure of efficiency. And it is nice to see cars with high hp/L numbers.

Would you rather have a small block V8 with 250 hp or K24 with 250?

Sure, the larger engines can make more power. And its nice to have 600 whp in a corvette. BUT..... IF that LS7 were working at the same hp/L of a 240 hp D17, then that 7.0L motor would be making 1400 hp.

Like i said, it is a unit of measure that allows us to compare the different power levels of different sized engines. Its just a measure of efficiency. The honda motors are more efficient when modified than larger motors like the small block chevy, simply due to design and newer technology

 
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I can't think of any better terms than this, but have you had economics?

The K24 may have the comparative advantage at >100hp/liter, but the V8 (I'm going to work with an example where the V8 has more than 250hp because a 250hp small block is a joke to most people nowadays) has the absolute advantage.

Horsepower per litre only means anything when there is a semi-level playing field - i.e. racing with restrictions like in Formula 1, WRC, etc. Then, when you are only allowed a certain level of displacement, hp/l is actually important. Outside of those confines, I think it's a largely bogus term.

 
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Im gonna give you a typical British reply and ask if it can turn a corner?

 
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Yeah the car with more hp will have a racing advantage, wtf are you talking about bogus term?
I guess if you only care about going fast and have no interest in or appreciation for good engineering then it is a bogus term. It is nice to see a n/a four banger with over 200whp because it is an accomplishment, maybe not in absolute speed but in something else that may be above your understanding.

I am not sure if you have an understanding of economics either.

 
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I was looking through their member list and realized something. There are a lot of corvette owners with problems...check and see how many usernames start with either bad or big, it's amazing.

 
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Damn you English! Always spoiling our fun with your "cornars" (or whatever they are).

 
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Its cool but not my bag babby! To me these days its alot more impressive to see 11's out of a car that stock pushes 17 instead of 13's. Its really not hard to get 500 hp out of some thing pushing 400 already. All I did on one of my past v8's was a simple head and exhaust change and gained alot of power. It was not a big deal a couple a wrenchs and a weekend. I am so interested in smaller power plants now its all I can think of. Just my 2 cents.

 
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I'd rather have the V8.Sounds so much better and it would have torque.More tech = more money to fix.

 
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dude i could run a 250hp k24 to redline ALL day and still get better fuel efficiency then the v8. that matters when you race on a circuit. think about it. lets say nascar let honda in with its motors. they would make the v6s or even v8s that have MASSIVE hp. like the 4.0 v8 they have. so it weighs less and gets better efficiency than a big block. you tell me? i would rather have the less gas sucking. it matters when you race

 
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hp/l is not a "ricer" measurement. it's a show of mechanical prowess and technical ability for an auto manufacturer. it's saying "hey look how we can do so much with so little".

 
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Except that K24 makes half the horsepower and even less torque...Technologically speaking, this bloody massive V8 isn't a small achievement, a good bit of research went into it, its not just some inefficient giant block. You know you're on a Honda forum when: you show someone a beautiful V8 and all that can talk about is how 31337 their 4 cylinders are., meanwhile its questionable how many of them have ever even been behind the wheel of a 'Vette...

 
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you obviously didn't read my post

 
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I think people with huge jacked up trucks have the most problems. The bigger the lift/tires the smaller the pen!$. Unless you are a serious off-roader then I could see it, offroading is fun

 
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I was just trying to explain how that guy is comparing apples and oranges, in one aspect, and looking at things in a very restrictive perspective.

 
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[morpheus voice] Free...your mind[/morpheus voice] its true.

 
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I don't think alot of these people have ever ridden in a car with over 300 ft/lbs of torque.

 
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I think you guys are just comparing two things that shouldnt be compared. Both engines are great in their own right. Of course the honda engines are a great technological achievement, changing valve timing while running and reving high to get such great power output. I wouldnt really praise the gasmilage in the high end of the rpm's I get some pretty bad gas mileage when I drive the car hard. Part of the genious in the Vtec is that you can have fuel economy and performance on the same engine. And as for the small block, its compeletly old technology and basic, but it has proved that push rods can still create great performance and effiency well keeping a lower CG than a comperable engine. Although id have to say that LS7 is kind of overboard to me I prefered to see the previous generation Z06 were they worked on 5.7L and tuned it more. But the people who buy vettes probably love it. But, as for the small block compare it to the twin cam northstar V8 GM has and youll like the small block a lot more. Or even look at something like a porsche 911 has a little less power and similar fuel economy to a vette. Really you guys are trying to compare apples and organes; just some people like apples and some like oranges. Id have to say i prefer the high tech small displacement high reving method.

Opps, sorry for using the apples and oranges again but totally applies

 
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I think we can all agree then that F1 engines are the ****.